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3 years 32 weeks ago, 12:55 PM

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The Father of 5 yr. old son says he will murder the convicted man, if the man is released,read more here http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/08/father-says-murder-5-year-olds-kill...

personally i'm on the fathers side.

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3 years 32 weeks ago, 1:33 PM

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I saw this

I would do it too. But I wouldn't tell everyone. I would just do it.

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3 years 32 weeks ago, 1:45 PM

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On hie release date, he's stepping out, thinking "Man, I've been in for a long time. I think right now I'm going to"- THWAK!!! Paper bag bursting as a rifle round hits him in the eyeball.

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3 years 32 weeks ago, 1:51 PM

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I'm with Runs

The ones who get away with it don't tell a soul, they do not talk about any of it even what is in the news....

You do it, it's over, don't think about it again.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 32 weeks ago, 10:59 PM

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3 years 32 weeks ago, 12:08 AM

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I live 45 minutes away from the nearest law enforcement facility. Two armed men push their way through a group of people that were leaving a three and a half hour seminar, I had just conducted. It is 9:30 PM. I office out of my home. There we are. My wife, myself and the two men with handguns buldging from their pockets, three feet inside our home. One is a small time dope dealer. The other is a "Republic of TX, I will not pay any income tax.The R of TX man stated "If you had shot my dog,or if my dog gets shot, I will come up here and kill you and your wife! I can't live without that dog!" I talked the men into leaving. At the time, my wife had a hobby of raising Nubian milk goats. She had about 25 head. Earlier that afternoon, 4 self confessed "hillbillies", ages 17 - 22, cut two fences and brought their "coon hounds" into my pasture. The hounds cornered the goats. Each hillbilly picked a $250.00 Nubian up by it's ears and started walking out of our pasture. We were in the garage and heard the goats making a "racket". We began to yell, scream, shout and whistle. The hillbillies and their hounds started running, without the goats. The "Republic of TX" man's dog came with the hounds. His dog did not leave. We penned the goats safely in their overnight shelter. The R of T's dog is still wandering around in the pasture. In our county you can't just call the sheriff and expect any response. You have to call a police dept., talk to a certain person, to find out which deputy to ask for,that week, to get any response at all. The next day,the "good" deputy shows up, after lunch, and states he has issued a criminal trespass WARNING to the two men. This happened after 9/11. What would you do?

3 years 32 weeks ago, 12:54 AM

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Head Shot,

I can only say what I think I would have done. First, realizing what you said, "two armed men pushed their way through a group of people leaving (I assume your house as you said you office there)..." These armed men confronted you and made a threat. I (again assume) that you did not have a weapon on you at the time and would therefore have had to retreat to gain access to one, thus leaving your wife unprotected. Finally even if you did have a weapon on you, you have innocent bystanders who may be in the line of fire if you cut loose. I think you did the right thing. I happen to have personal, intimate knowledge of the area where you live, my mother lives there. I grew up in that town. I believe I know the area you are describing and if I am correct, as populated as East Texas is, you are probably pretty accurate in your comment of how far you are from law enforcement assistance.

Now, as for the dog roaming your property, I believe that I would find a way to be rid of it. The dog is a threat to your livestock. Should the alledged owner of the dog appear on my property looking for his dog, he has already threatened me once, so if I see him now, I believe that he intends to kill me and/or my wife and I am in fear of my life or immenient body harm and my wife is also. I would open my door and warn him that he is a threat and that I will defend myself. After that, if he doesn't immediately leave my property, I now have the right to defend myself with any force I deem necessary to stop the threat and I would do so.

I don't like the idea of taking a life. Any human life. But as either Runs or ISD posted in another thread, there are humans, and animals who prey on humans and imitate human behavior. This Rep. of TX individual (based on your description) is one of these animals. I would almost be willing to bet that he has a pretty long list of petty offenses and possibly a few assaults on his record.

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3 years 31 weeks ago, 5:03 PM

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dogs love

anti-freeze,after a bellyfull they will crawl away and die.Check the laws in your area,i'm sure you have protections in case you shoot the bastards off your property.People that don't respect your property deserve no respect in return.

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3 years 31 weeks ago, 9:30 PM

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I will say this much...

It sounds like you have a little property you live on. If it is out in the middle of nowhere, setup some targets and shoot every now and then on different days.

Practice is always good and letting him know that his gun doesn't make him anything special doesn't hurt either.

BTW: with a screen name like "Head Shot" you have to ask?

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 31 weeks ago, 9:53 PM

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I happen to know the area where he lives. I grew up less than 15 miles from him. Probably less than 10. Yea I think he can put up some targets, and with some practice.....You won't need to ask. I don't know how well he shoots now, but with some practice, and knowing the people in that area, it won't take him or the wife long to qualify for that moniker.

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3 years 31 weeks ago, 10:01 PM

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With RandyMc's comment I dont like the thought of taking a human life. When I even think on how it would be I get a sick feeling in my stomach. Thats just me though. However if need to and I feel threatend or if someone I love was in danger I will use lethal force to rid me or the one I love of the threat. Takin a life is something that will stick with anyone. I am blessed enough to say I have not takin a human life. I have never shot anyone.

With ISD's comment I say I agree on the practice. I know ammo aint cheap but thats where you get reloading equipment and reload ya ammo. Practice will also let anyone in the general area know you have firearms. I also suggest you pick up a few "No Tresspassing" signs to put around the perimeter of your land.

As for the dog,I would call the local dog catcher and or animal control.

I raise chickens,I have had several stray dog issues as some dogs have killed some of my chickens. I have shot a stray dog which was harassing my chickens, however it was not healthy at all. It was eat up with the mange and was in very poor condition. I can say even though it was a dog yes it bothers me. At the time I deemed it necessary to shoot the dog due to the fact if I called the dog catcher they would have for sure put it to sleep. So I shot it and gave it a very nice burial under a shade tree.

However getting back to my point here. If you have a dog thats not yours on your property then call the local dog catcher and have the dog picked up. Its up to the dogs owner to go to the pound and get the dog. And if the dog comes back file a complaint to the local police and call the catcher once again.

Thats about all I can think of my friend.

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3 years 31 weeks ago, 10:16 PM

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There where a few guys down at the Rifle range when we shot up the car last week which where dressed like they where part of Delta Force. Walking around with all kinds of crap strapped to them as if they were going out on a mission.

Not one of those guys shot worth a shit... Mediocre at best and seriously dangerous at worst. But the fact that they had the money to buy what they wanted, and it is war time, they are men because they can buy and dress up....

Kinda funny how Gun-Guts work....

Maybe it's my past, but I would have been hard pressed not to stuff my Blur into the guys throat and twist as I was heading for the other one as soon as the word "Kill" and "Wife or You" came out of his mouth in the same sentence...

But thats just me...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 31 weeks ago, 12:45 AM

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I hear everyone here saying how they would hate to take another persons life... Well, I guess that's were I differ. Yes, I have taken more then one in my time, and never enjoyed it. HOWEVER, when a man comes and threatens the life of my wife or my family, he's given me about the only good reason there is. I feel in the situation that was described, he made the call he felt was best, and I won't even begin to second guess him. But once the threat was made, ol' Rep of Tex was living on borrowed time.

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3 years 31 weeks ago, 8:41 AM

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I agree

that's how I would feel about it too. I pray that I never get put into that position, but when my family or even my property has been threatened, then playtime's over. It's easy to philosophize in the comfort of your living room with a bellyful of food, but I like to think I can empathize very well. And I think, for myself, if this abortion survivor threatened me like that, I would work out a plan. Shoot the dog. Take some time off work. Set up some eagle's nests. Load up all my mags and place my firearms strategically around the place. Then set up some home-brewed alarms around the property. And then it would be like sitting in the stand waiting for a hog or deer to come by. As soon as I saw this guy on my property with a firearm, poof!, one shot, one kill. If it was night, any rustle in the bushes or any shadow across the treeline would get a blast of buckshot. And there are some humans that need to culled out, just like managing wildlife population. It makes the rest of us better off.

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3 years 31 weeks ago, 2:18 AM

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yeah

I agree with Ronin,saave that touchy feely shit for someone else,if you have to protect whats yours then someone has crossed a line that you must have realized/thought thru when your nuts started twitching and you thought maybe you were a man.You have to draw a hard line in the sand and back it up,and once that line is clear in your mind,dwelling on whether some animal crosses it is pointless,2 or 4 legged.
If this happened after 9/11 and no problems with these guys or dog since i'd say things kind of resolved themselves but if you have had more problems hopefully you have reported any to the police for documentation purposes just in case things escalate,as for the loose dogs,shoot,shovel,shutup

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3 years 31 weeks ago, 9:08 AM

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That was a gruesome story and for it to happen to a 5 yr old boy. That's absolute B.S. that the criminal is even still alive. The father shouldn't have said anything about harming him though, he should have just sat back and waited for that piece of garbage to be released. Why should that dirt bag receive any protection from the father. That father has had to live all these years without his son and knowing what was done to his boy.

We had a terrible incident at Roaring Springs Ky in 2008. That dirt bag is still alive also.

3 years 31 weeks ago, 9:22 AM

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The Dogs would have been dead by now and the guy would not have made it to the courtroom. I have friends in high places and between them and me, all is an eye for an eye and then some. It would have been done with a non-registered rifle and knife, whivh would have ended up in pieces in the ocean. Nothing more need to be said on my part. JLC

3 years 31 weeks ago, 10:08 AM

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I agree with the father compleatly... Just think he should have kept his mouth shut and done what needed doing. While I agree with the principle's that make up our system of trial and punishment, this is a prime example of it's flaws... Aperson that does something like that atleast once and tried to do again shouldn't be jailed, they should be exicuted... IMMEDIATLY. Before I start hearing people talk that modern day psycho-babble BULLSHIT about a person being sick and it's not his fault, let me explain my take on that. Either he is sick, and if cured will have to endure the knowledge of what he's done, which in itself is cruel and unusual... Or ( and this is my personal belief) He is missing a very fundamental part of his soul, for lack of a better word, that makes him human. Without that, he can never be fixed. You can't give him what he doesn't have to begin with. This doesn't mean he should be torture or killed slowely. Would you torture a dog for getting rabies? NO, but you would put him down, not cage him up for a while, then let him go hoping he decided to be good.

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3 years 31 weeks ago, 4:16 PM

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the boys dad will (legaly speaking)be just as bad as his sons killer if he does it.i dont think hed be moraly wrong to do it but hed be convicted if caught and since he already anounced to the world what his intentions are he prob will be caught if he does it.its sad he should even have to think about it though because the kid was obviously sick and twisted and should have just beed executed.i dont get why we spend so much time and money imprisoning people like him.

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3 years 31 weeks ago, 9:19 AM

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I agree

Jay. Whenever I hear "We shouldn't execute it b/c he couldn't help himself." I think to myself that it seems to be more of a reason. If someone's proven they don't have an inhibition to kill, that makes more of an argument to put them down. I don't look at it as revenge or punishment. I look at it the same way I would if there was a mad dog. You don't kennel it or try to reform it. You put it down.
And let me make it clear. If someone raped and/or killed my wife or son, they WOULD be dead. If the law didn't do it, I would. BUT, I would also be ready to accept the consequences of my action. If the state wanted me executed, so be it. If they wanted me in prison for the rest of my life, OK. I believe in answering for the actions I make. But the POS would die.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 9:14 PM

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Too easy, head shot

"If you had shot my dog,or if my dog gets shot, I will come up here and kill you and your wife! I can't live without that dog!" He's communicated a threat. Call the sheriff's office and report it. Even if they don't send a deputy, that's fine. You have a record of his threat. Dog gets shot, he comes to, you can reasonably assume, make good on his threat, you defend yourself.

You threaten a man's family, you'd better be ready to follow through or die trying. At least that's how I see it.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 9:19 PM

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Evening gent's

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 9:22 PM

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Yep, Have to agree

When it comes to my family, I would smoke him also, just wouldn't advertise it..

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 9:23 PM

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No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 30 weeks ago, 9:24 PM

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Howdy ISD

Yea all is well, getting better everyday, how about you??

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 9:24 PM

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hey Larry

stay cool,i am

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 9:26 PM

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Howdy LBC

Cool as a cucumber as they say. LOL How ya been Jerry?

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