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5 years 49 weeks ago, 2:21 PM

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OK Guns Lot Users,
I'm in the market for another 9mm Polymer. I already have a Glock 19 which I really enjoy. I was thinking of picking up a Glock 17, but I'm also drawn to the M&P 9mms as well as the XD 9mms. I'm not against the HKs, but I'm not a fan of manual safety guns. I'm also open to the Walthers, but I'm trying to stay close to the Glock price point.

What polymer would you choose and why?

5 years 49 weeks ago, 2:53 PM

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which ever one I get stuck with
when all the real guns are gone

My 1st pick is an all steel revolver

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 2:56 PM

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HA!

I be sure to consider that in my selection :) It's cool to meet you and thanks for weighing in!

5 years 49 weeks ago, 3:21 PM

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My favorite is the Glock 19, but I also recommend the Springfield XD 9mm. The pistol performs almost flawlessly, it has an ambiextrous magazine release which allows you to operate the pistol with whichever hand can get to it first. The sights are very well done and the grip fits nicely in my hand. I also like the XD's grip safety and the pistol is also visually appealing. I highly recommend this pistol.

5 years 49 weeks ago, 3:35 PM

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XD

Thanks for weighing in Marvin. I honestly didn't like the look of this gun when it first came out. Whatever my reason was, I forget because I really like the looks of it now. I've never taken note of the sites, but I will definitely check them out when I go to the range. The other thing I've noticed about this gun, as I've researched it, everyone seems to be really impressed once they own it. I know a guy that had one, traded it in on something else, and purchased another XD a few months later because he missed it.

Also, I've read a lot of your posts in here and noticed your admin tag. You're doing a great job with your work on this site and it's a pleasure to meet you.

5 years 49 weeks ago, 3:44 PM

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I will piggy back off of marvin and suggest the XD. Although I don't own the XD-9, or any 9mm for that matter, I do think my XD Compact 45 is a great pistol. somewhere in the range of 800 rounds through it and have never had a FTF or FTE.

I have wanted to look into the XDm, although the only major differences from what I can tell is that the barrel is slightly longer (but same grade and finish), the slide serrations are a difference shape, and there is the interchangeable backstraps. Not sure of those improvements are worth whatever the price difference is.

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 4:11 PM

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Thanks for weighing in

Thanks for weighing in mattitude! That's a solid track record on your XD 45. Many of my guns are compacts like your XD. I live in California so I don't usually lose any rounds by going with the compacts since we are a 10 round mag state. That being said, the compacts often feel better in my hand so I usually opt for them over the full size frames. Also, I don't believe the XDm is on our approved firearms list, so I don't really have to consider the "m" version, but I appreciate you noting it in your response. It is good to meet you.

5 years 49 weeks ago, 4:30 PM

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Well the nice thing about the XD 45 Compact is that it comes with a full sized mag with a mag extension so you get the option of a full sized grip in addition to the compact grip with the compact mags. Don't know if you can get those full-sized grip extension mags in low-cap for compliance with Cali's laws or not.

Good to meet you, glad to see you have been active on the site so far!

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 4:43 PM

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Maybe a lot more facts than a lot of us.
I don't know near as much as I'd like but
I do like to pick up a gun and shoot all
day or until I run out of ammo.
I'll shoot almost any gun for sport but if
I have 1st pick I want a 357 wheel gun
to pack. I worry about where the next round is
going to hit not how many I can pop
until I do hit with one.
Good to meet you, hope you enjoy it here

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 4:54 PM

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there are a few diehard wheelgun people
out here.
Quigly said it well in "Quigly down under"
Didn't say I didn't know how to use one,
said I never had much use for one. That's
sort of my view on simi autos. If at war I
want one but just to carry everyday I want
a wheelgun.
Glad everyone dosent own a Ford or Chevy

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 5:15 PM

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I haven't fired a gun yet that wasn't fun to shoot. I'm an enthusiast much like yourself and I'm here to learn about what others think. If everyone agreed with everyone else, this site along with this hobby wouldn't be anywhere near as intriguing. I do take note of your points, and I honestly have been weighing purchasing a few revolvers as of late. Unfortunately, in CA we can only purchase one firearm every 30 days. Every time my 30 days comes up, I check around for a good buy on a Colt Python or an S&W 627. Trust me, soon I will post a wheel gun question, review or statement and I hope that you levy your opinion on that one along with the rest of my posts. Additionally, all opinions are welcome on my posts and I'm as thick skinned as they come, so feel free to fire away. Great movie line by the way! Selleck makes a bad ass western star and his support for the NRA has been steadfast.

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dynadog44 wrote:
I haven't fired a gun yet that wasn't fun to shoot. I'm an enthusiast much like yourself and I'm here to learn about what others think. If everyone agreed with everyone else, this site along with this hobby wouldn't be anywhere near as intriguing. I do take note of your points, and I honestly have been weighing purchasing a few revolvers as of late. Unfortunately, in CA we can only purchase one firearm every 30 days. Every time my 30 days comes up, I check around for a good buy on a Colt Python or an S&W 627. Trust me, soon I will post a wheel gun question, review or statement and I hope that you levy your opinion on that one along with the rest of my posts. Additionally, all opinions are welcome on my posts and I'm as thick skinned as they come, so feel free to fire away. Great movie line by the way! Selleck makes a bad ass western star and his support for the NRA has been steadfast.

I had a Colt Python once, and it sure was one of the best guns I ever had. Very accurate and very smooth.

5 years 49 weeks ago, 5:27 PM

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I enjoy firing .357 rounds. I honestly fatigue quicker when shooting that round over some lesser velocity rounds. But they do feel great to let loose. I do want to make certain I don't misrepresent my knowledge on firearms though. I enjoy firing them and I also enjoy learning more about them. The main reason I am here is that this is a younger website as compared to some of the more established website communities. Based on what I've read, the regulars here seems like a solid bunch and I would like to contribute to the growth of the Guns Lot site as a fun place and a credible knowledge base. I'm positive that my knowledge/experience on guns is inferior to the majority of the folks contributing here and I hope to learn from them (yourself included).

5 years 49 weeks ago, 4:51 PM

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I've got the Glock 26,19,and soon to have a 34.The 26 is my favorite,i carry it daily,my son has my 19 right now,the 34 fits into my scheme of things,i stick with the Glocks because of manuel of arms is the same,magazines are interchangeable,same ammo,and i can shoot the shit out of them,holsters are pretty much interchangeable as well.I like the Xd fine but i really like the Glock line(Gen 2&3),i might go with the Gen 4 34 and expect to make some changes but thats gonna be my comp gun anyway.Hopefully you can rent whatever gun you are interested in and shoot it before you have to buy it.

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 5:39 PM

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Well I certainly am jealous. That is a nice Glock collection you are fostering. I certainly haven't ruled out another Glock. I am a huge fan and I was thinking about a 26 or 17. I would also consider the 34 for USPSA competitions. I guess I'm looking for a little variety in my collection. The main reason I am seeking a 9mm is for the affordable cost of ammo for target shooting with friends. When we get together, it is fun to have a variety of guns to fire. We send to go through a lot of rounds and the more affordable the ammo is, the more everyone can shoot. My local gun shops usually let me try out anything they have for cheap rental fees so I definitely will take you up on your suggestion. Also, keep me posted on your 34. I want to know if you decide on a Gen 4 and what your thoughts are on the new platform. Thanks for weighing in on this and it is great to meet you.

5 years 49 weeks ago, 5:02 PM

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You've already got the best.......Stick with the Glock! Get a Glock 34 if you are set on another 9mm, or a 21 SF if you want to go bigger. I don't want to start the whole Glock VS. XD thing again, but I will never own another XD! I sold mine got the Glock, never looked back........My friend,and brother shot my Glock sold thier XD's, and got Glocks!

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 5:49 PM

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Thanks for weighing in Shakleford! I do enjoy my Glock 19 and I own the 21 SF as well. I'm real happy with both. As I grow my small collection, I'm looking to grow my polymers in 9mm to gain some variety in an affordable caliber so that when I go out to the range with my friends, we have more guns to shoot and more ammo to shoot them with. I will count this as another vote in support of a 34 or at least another Glock 9mm. It is great to meet you.

What did you and your friends not like about your XDs? Please let me know about your experience so I can consider it on my purchase decision.

5 years 49 weeks ago, 5:59 PM

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XD's.......

High Bore Axis, FTF & FTE, Melonite finish is a joke! Bought about $100 worth of new mags, and polished the feed ramp trying to fix feeding problems.......No Luck! Maybe I got a lemon, but it sure left a sour taste!

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 6:19 PM

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FTF & FTE

That is pretty bad. FTF & FTE would certainly point to a number of issues, any of which would be a pain to troubleshoot. Especially when you just want to focus on shooting and having fun with friends. What happened to the Melonite finish?

5 years 49 weeks ago, 6:34 PM

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Scatched easliy, and after a day of shooting in the Sleet, the slide developed surface rust before I got home to clean it. I have shot the XDM buy the way and loved it, just not ready to jump back on-board yet!

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Wow, I'm surprised to hear about such supposed quality issues with the XD... Mine has held up extremely well over the past 4 years and through hundreds of rounds shooting in the sand and snow...

The only visible wear on the finish is slight wear on the top of the square part of the barrel that shows when the slide is closed. I mean, clean and lube the gun properly and it should hold up just fine.

(yes I know I am not using the right terms, part of what I hope to continue learning!)

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 7:15 PM

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Hey mattitude, can you throw a pic up of the wear you are referring to? Maybe someone in here can help you identify the terms and we could both benefit. Also, it would be cool to show the current state of your gun after having put it through some use. If you do, please cover your serial numbers to protect you personal info.

5 years 49 weeks ago, 10:25 PM

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I will try my best to remember to post a pic if the wear tomorrow after I get home from work.

Are you wanting to see a pic if the gun as of today? Or right after I shoot some rounds through it before it is cleaned?

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 10:28 PM

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Just as it exists today. It's not necessary to run ammo through it. Thanks!

5 years 49 weeks ago, 10:23 PM

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Hey Dyna, I haven't forgotten about this, but things have been crazy over here. Will still try to get this done before the weekend is out.

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 11:36 AM

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Here is the wear I was talking about, sorry for the delay on getting the picture up. The description on the picture describes the wear and the gun's use.

http://www.gunslot.com/pictures/xd-wear

XD Wear
Here is the wear on the Melonite finish that I was mentioning. This is somewhere between 800 and 1,000 rounds and 4 years worth use in various conditions including blowing sand. There is starting to be a very slight amount of the same kind of wear near the front of the barrel where the slide rubs and there is one spot in the bottom left of the slide that is starting to show the slightest wear as well. No rust has ever formed.

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 1:47 PM

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Thanks for throwing this up man! That isn't excessive at all. I was concerned cause I had someone else mention that the finish came right off on theirs. Yours doesn't look any different then normal carry and shooting wear, which in my opinion makes the gun look better.

5 years 49 weeks ago, 6:58 PM

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I have never had any such problems, maybe it was the ammo you were shooting because everyone I know that owns an XD (about a dozen guys in town) have rarely, if ever, had any of the problems you mention

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I tried every ammo I could get my hands on, and the gun was always stripped - cleaned - lubed after every outing. Like I said before, maybe I just got a lemon.

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dynadog44 my 2 cents.

I have the XDM 9MM and it is an awesome shooter. The thing eats anything I have tried to feed her and it is accurate. I like the way the recoil is with the XD vs. the Glock. The Glock is a great gun, but I will be part of the Croation Nation until Springfeild stops making such a good sidearm.

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Hi hillbilly77. It's great to meet you and thanks for weighing in. That is an important point that I have not heard about yet. Do you feel that the recoil of the XD 9mm is softer than the recoil on the Glock 9mm? Do you have any theories on why?

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I have the XDM 9MM and it is an awesome shooter. The thing eats anything I have tried to feed her and it is accurate. I like the way the recoil is with the XD vs. the Glock. The Glock is a great gun, but I will be part of the Croation Nation until Springfeild stops making such a good sidearm.

What's the Croation Nation? Glock is Austria and Sprigfield Armory is US.

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The XD and XDM are manufactured in Croatia by HS Produkt and imported and sold by Springer in the U.S. The XD is the same pistol as the HS2000. Springer might customize the XDM slightly, but its still basically a HS2000.

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The XD and XDM are manufactured in Croatia by HS Produkt and imported and sold by Springer in the U.S. The XD is the same pistol as the HS2000. Springer might customize the XDM slightly, but its still basically a HS2000.

Not according to the Springfield Armory website. Which is why I "typed" what I did.

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HS2000 = SA XD

If you google "springfield xd hs2000", you will find several references to this. It's not surprising Springfield doesn't advertise this on their site. It's product branding.

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Saint J.M. Browning wrote:
If you google "springfield xd hs2000", you will find several references to this. It's not surprising Springfield doesn't advertise this on their site. It's product branding.

References are one thing, a factual statement is something else entirely. Hey, I'm still collating data as the saying goes.

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The XD and XDM are manufactured in Croatia by HS Produkt and imported and sold by Springer in the U.S. The XD is the same pistol as the HS2000. Springer might customize the XDM slightly, but its still basically a HS2000.

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Not according to the Springfield Armory website. Which is why I "typed" what I did.

I'm guessing their website also doesn't say that the majority of their 1911's are made in Brazil. This doesn't mean that the products are inferior quality... just that because a company is based here in the states doesn't mean that they manufacture all of their products here. I think the majority of S&W's, Colts, Kimbers and Rugers are still made here.

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True, my SA 1911 is Brazilian. I love it. Great shooter.

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I've carried glocks for over half of my life, but I also have lots of time behind XD's, M&P's, and HK USP's. I've recently become a big fan for FNP's and FNX's. I like them all. Obviously the striker pistols are all some what similar with small differences in weight, grip angle, balance etc... but somewhat similar. I tend to prefer DA/SA over DAO the majority of the time, but also change things up so I don't get bored. I don't discriminate, I enjoy alloy frames (like sigs) also. I think I like them all as long as they're reliable with a decent trigger.

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Holy smokes Reaper! Just when I think I'm getting close to a decision, you go ahead and post this! JK Thanks for weighing in! I agree, these are all great options and I'm also one that likes to change things up, which is kind of the nature of my current search for a different Polymer 9mm. I've read quite a few of your posts and I notice your Moderator tag. You do a great job of contributing on this site and it is nice to meet you. What are your thoughts on the M&Ps you've carried?

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I think it’s a quality piece. The functionality is very similar to a Glock, and although they haven't been put through the twenty some years of torture tests, I would bet my life on one. I've never "carried" a M&P but would estimate I have at least 3K rounds down range with the M&P series and I haven't experienced any failures yet. I think S&W did a good job with the M&P. It's not just an upgraded sigma, but more of a entirely different pistol (which was much needed). I like the apex trigger kit for the M&P.

If I were you, I would decide price and caliber. Then decide of you want DAO or DA/SA and what functions you like or dislike (ie. manual safety, grip safety etc.) Once you get down to 2 or 3 pistols, go to a range and rent them. Choose the one that feels the best in your hand and that you consistently shoot the tightest groups with. Almost all major manufacturers make quality pistols now days (with a few obvious exceptions). As long as you feel comfortable that it will perform to your expectations every time you pull the trigger, that’s all that matters.

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That's a strong testament for the dependability of the M&P and thanks for the selection tips! I like the objective approach you outlined.

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I haven't had much time behind Glocks only because I don't find their grip angle to be overly comfortable for me, but the M&P and the FNP appear to have a similar grip angle to the XD so I am interested in trying them out. I'm thinking about trying them out at the local indoor range soon.

I have shot a USP tactical, and although I really enjoyed the gun, the price point was a little higher then I could afford at the time (and really still can't afford a $900+ gun).

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I have just shot my share of both and I think the XD has more of a straight back recoil, where I felt the Glock has a more muzzle jump.I just seam to be able to rapid fire the XD with smaller groups. Another nice thing about the XDM is they have 3 different sized back straps to custom fit it to your hand.

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That's interesting you say that. A lot of people who fire my Glock 19 say the same thing you do about the muzzle jump. I will pay attention to that when I test drive the XD 9.

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Tommorrow is the wifes B-Day, so gotta get some presents in a bag! Might not be on much for a few days, gonna be working alot! Beer sales pick-up around New Years Eve.......Imagine that! Have a Happy and Safe New Years Gunslot!!

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Whoa, this is a busy week for you... annually! Thanks and have a safe Happy New Year as well!

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To put this thought in your head.........You want cheap fun, get a Ruger .22! For what you would spend on something esle, you could have a really nice target gun!

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 12:22 PM

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Great Point! I have been eye balling a 22/45. Do you have one? Which model?

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Have not started messing with it yet, but a great shooter out of the box!

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I want to shoot that soooo bad! Nice .22! That's one of the coolest 22/45s I've seen.

5 years 49 weeks ago, 8:28 AM

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This is a heck a a discussion. I'll tell you Dynadog that most folks do indeed have their favorite and anything else is "uncivilized" so to speak. We have a Glock 27 and also an XD-40 Sub Compact. We are getting a XD-9 Sub Compact shortly. I have fired probably in excess of 8000 rounds between these two firearms. I have also fired Glock 17's, 19's and 23's, as well as XD-9's. Now I like them all but I am more accurate with the XD's. It does not have as much muzzle flip or recoil as the Glock counterpart. A lot of people that are just Glock Glock Glock knock the XD's left and right just because they don't like them. But any problems they site, you can find as many people siting the same problems with the Glocks. Now a lot of pro Glock guys will say that people who put down Glocks are doing that because they don't like Glocks. They seem to ignore the fact that a lot of Glock guys put down anything that is not Glock just because they love Glocks. Its like its ok for them to say it but you better not. Now I said a lot I DID NOT SAY ALL so don't anybody get their feelings hurt here...lol Now some folks will tell you that the bore axis on the XD is "way high." Its probably about 3/16 of an inch maybe a hair more or less. I've never had an issue with it. Its doesn't effect the recoil, or the siting. Maybe people that are bothered by it are more sensitive to it than me but I don't see a problem with it. Bottom line is I believe it comes down to preference. I own both and will continue to own both. But if I had to pick just one and had the choice of any Glock or XD, I'd pick the XD. It feels better in my hand and sites better for me. Plus I've never had any issue with any XD I've shot but have had a Glock FTE on me. Gen 4 probably due to the recoil spring but they are having random issues with them..Anyway my 2 cents Bro. Good luck let us know what you get...

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 12:36 PM

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Hey Raz. This is a great post. Thanks a lot for weighing in on this thread. If this is razback14 from YouTube, I'm a subscriber on your channel and you do a great job. You are the second person on this thread that commented on the muzzle flip being less on the XD over the Glock. This certainly adds credence to the opinion. It is a pleasure to meet you and I will update this thread with my purchase decision. Thanks again man!

5 years 49 weeks ago, 8:24 PM

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Hey Dynadog...Yep its me..Whats your YT name and I'll return the sub Bro...

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yeah it happens,but in a 9mm,shouldn't be that much,practice a good grip,stance,trigger finger,muzzle flip in a .40,yep,9mm not so much.Thats one of the things i like about shooting my .44,after launching a few downrange,my 9mm is like a squirt gun.

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 4:49 PM

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If you're looking for another polymer range gun, you might want to look into the Ruger SR9/SR9c. Both variants are California legal and reasonably priced. They have good safety features, and the ones I've shot have been both accurate and reliable considering the polymer frame. Ambi safety/mag release, adjustable backstrap for the grip, stainless steel slide, Picatinny rail, 2 magazines and a hard case come standard with these guns.
Personally, I prefer my P345PR (most of the same features in a .45 caliber, also California legal), but it sounds like you're looking for a 9mm. Ruger gets panned by some for their automatics, but I believe that their more recent models are much better than some of the earlier semi-automatics they produced. The P345PR feels very natural in my hand as well, although you may not find it to be the same. The P345PR is my favorite polymer handgun, but note that I don't own a slew of them like some of the other members here either.

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 8:14 PM

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You are right, Ruger has caught some heat for their semi autos in the past. I've not really given them a serious look as of late. I will rent one and see how I like it. Thanks for weighing in and it's great to meet you!

5 years 49 weeks ago, 4:58 PM

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XD40 is my next handgun purchase period, well since they won't let us have XDm's! Stupid kali!!
XD is very reliable. I have spent a few hours behind my cousins. I think they are great looking as well. If I come across a Glock at a good price I would buy it. I have no problem with the reliability of Glocks, I like XD's better.

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 8:17 PM

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Quite a few posters in here have given strong recommendations for the XD product. Like yourself, I'm pretty chapped about the lack of XDm in CA. I'm not certain about the function of the "m" over the XD, but I think the XDm is a better looking gun. Funny how that enters into the equation for some of us. Keep us posted on your XD40 purchase. I'm curious to see what you think.

5 years 49 weeks ago, 7:24 PM

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dynadog, FNP 9mm check em out. Just bought mine a month ago 450 rounds so far with absolutly no problems at all!!
Love mine!

5 years 49 weeks ago, 8:20 PM

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Ah the FNP!

Tyxxvx, I really need to check that bad boy out. I have never picked one up before, but everyone that I've ever heard from on them states that they really enjoy their FNPs. Thanks for weighing in and it's great to meet you!

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Cheers!!

Nice to meet you too bro. Yea for sure check em out. Either the FNX or the FNP. I dig the FNP better though. But for sure give them a "shot" ha ha.
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5 years 49 weeks ago, 8:39 PM

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I will definitely take the FNP out for a spin! As for the FNX, I don't think those are allowed for sale here in California. That is OK thought since you dig the FNP anyhow.

5 years 49 weeks ago, 6:05 PM

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So what makes a gun Illegal in Califonia?

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LOL, got to love the People's Republic of California. As far as the subject goes, I've recently bought my first large caliber polymer handgun, a Springfield XDm 9mm, and I like what I see of it so far. Reasonable price, not too different from the Glock, plus it comes with a lot of safety features the Glock doesn't have and comes in a kit with a lot of extras, as a lover of free stuff I enjoyed that tremendously. Definitely something to think about for anyone looking to make a purchase.

5 years 49 weeks ago, 6:46 PM

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Kali, politicians is right Smiter! To answer Tyxxvxl's question. There is a list of guns that are legal in Kali. The second part of the list are guns that are NOT legal in kali. If it isn't on the list, it is also illegal. No more than 10 rounds, no full auto, or select fire. The Springfield XDm for example is illegal in Kali, even if it has a 10 round clip in it because it is not on the acceptable list. It's so fun living here and being a shooter! In Feb we are going to be limited to 1 box of ammo per MONTH, yes per Month. Our wonderful Gov AHNOLD Schwartzenfagget (who made his Hollywood career using weapons I might add) signed the bill. He already knows he is on the way out and yet was allowed to sign this.

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Hey zx12rmike, Can you not order from out of State? 1 Box per month blows big time Bro...

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Hey ZX, where did you find out about the one box law? Let me know so I can notify my local NRA and CRPA boards. Thanks!

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would not allow a Dan Wesson .44 mag in when i shipped said gun to my Broinlaw because it was not on the "list of approved guns".It was shipped back to me,then my BIL flew out here and brought the gun back on his return flight.

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 6:54 PM

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I guess the Glock is alright. I prefer the Glock, though.

I have a Glock 19, 26, and 34. I love them. My G34 seems to have a magical spell cast on it in that it hits just about everything I shoot at. A few misses here and there, but not very many.

The issue that some have with the Glock is the skidmark it can leave on your hand if you have meaty hands or grip the gun high up. I have a pic on here that shows blood caked on the right side of the slide. That happened after about 200 rounds and I have a permanent mark on the web of my right hand (Need to do more left handed shooting to even things out). For some, that can be a serious distraction, but it's become sort of a source of pride with me, like a martial artist with scar tissue on his knuckles or a wrestler with cauliflower ears.

The XD is, by far, the most comfortable gun I've ever fired. My wife has a subcompact XD 9 and that thing is extremely accurate and has yet to malfunction after a few hundred rounds. When I hit a thousand rounds or so with the XD, I'll feel qualified to really talk good or bad about it, but right now it's looking good.

If I wasn't already a Glock fanatic, I'd have no problem owning a few XDs

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Sounds like many here like the XD and it is a wonderful pistol. My brother has one in .40. I have a Beretta PX4 Storm in .40. We took em both to the range side by side and swaped out. We both preferred the Beretta. The main reason is after shooting the PX4, it was simply much more comfortable than the XD. Neither of us like the hand grip safety on the XD. Yes you can get used to it, but in my unprofessional opinion it is one more thing that can go wrong when under pressure...consider a hand injury that doesn't allow you to hold the pistol properly! And another thing, I can easily empty a mag into a 4 inch circle at 50 feet with the PX4.
I have had many revolvers and was late in buying into the pistol craze. I carried a S&W, 5 shot in my pocket in New Orleans after Katrina. After a near miss I joined the pistol craze.
I am now on my 3rd and getting ready to get the PX4 sub compact to carry, just debatting on sticking with the .40 or downsizing to a 9mm to reduce size.... Note, you can also get the Beretta in a carbine in .40 with interchangable mags. I really like that and plan to pick one up... You can talk about self defense all your life, and then suddenly it is upon you.

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Wow, a PX4! I just learned about this gun a few days ago. It is a cool looking gun. I checked out some vids on it and saw the rotating slide lock mechanism on the full size. That was really cool looking. Definitely the Cat's Pajamas of the Beretta line up.

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i would like to ask a question about this kali. law ya'll are talking about. this one box thing? is that 1 box in your possesion or able to shoot at a time or what? i'm not sure i understand , well i should refrase that...... i DON'T understand. how can something like that be enforced. don't want to sound stupid, but i have never heard of such a thing. sorry to get off your subject but i wanna know.

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Seems to me that the Republic "of" Kali is going to end up playing like the Brit's. In time they will have you go down to the Local Magistrate to get a letter signed allowing you to apply for the right to purchase a firearm....

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I'm curious as well. Are they only allowed to buy one box per month? What is a box? If you buy a case, it comes in a box. That finger print deal is bogus

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 6:35 PM

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i wonder what they would do if they found my 9 yr. old daughter with 2 boxes? she shoots more than that in an hour.

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 6:38 PM

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One box a month is enough to piss you off; can you buy all the reloading gear and be good or can you only buy so many primers a month to?

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See my comment over at: http://www.gunslot.com/forum/new-california-ammo-regs-effective-feb-2011...

You will be limited to 50 rounds when selling or "transferring" unless registered as an ammunition vendor. There appears to be no monthly limit on purchases.

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i lokked at your comment and does that mean i can't sell or give or whatever more than the 50 unless i am a reg. dealer? and what about that finger print thing? are regular citizens supposed to get prints when giving their dad 2 boxes of shells? i am just glad i don't live there, they would probably kick me out in a week anyway. and i hate to say this cause arny was my child hood hero, but he sucks if he let this kinda stuff go thru.

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 8:10 PM

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I think that is why they have the 50 round maximum, because otherwise yes, you would have to comply with the fingerprinting etc... Up to the 50 round maximum, and this appears to be "handgun" ammo only, then you do not need to follow the identification rules, which include the fingerprints.

if you want to sell/gift/transfer more than 50 rounds per month, then it appears you would have to register as an ammunition vendor and follow the identification rules.

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5 years 49 weeks ago, 8:34 PM

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My EDC side arm is the Springfield XD 45 Tactical. I love it. I recently handled a Sig P250 that felt sweet in my hand, though it's a double action only.

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I have one of the original Croatian 9mm HS2000 and love it. This was about a year before Springfield bought them. I would recommend that 9mm Springfield to anyone.

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I'm an H&K and Glock fan, so it's a three way draw between the G23, G30SF, and USP Comp 9mm. My three favs, and carry choices.

5 years 49 weeks ago, 6:58 PM

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If I had to had to pick a 9mm polymer gun I would take a Sig Pro or Glock 17. Quality, reliable, accurate. M&P's and XD's are great, but fall a little short of the first two I think, but to each his own. Also Beretta PX4 and Ruger SR9 should be good, but never fired either one. I can't rip or support HK or FN, I know very little about them.

5 years 48 weeks ago, 1:26 AM

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CZ Phantom
CZ Phantom 18+1 9mm

Price: $451.00 free shipping.

Do Trigger and Action job on it yourself ( you can get the Dbl Action down to 3.5 lbs and the Single Action down as low as you like with a 16th inch reset.

Comes with two 18 round mags. Which actually hold 19 rounds without over compressing the spring. They actually Sell the ones marked 18 as 19 rounders. So you end up with 19 in the mag and one in the Pipe.

Sights Fixed 3-dot <---- Change out to MemPro Night Sites...
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5 years 48 weeks ago, 5:39 PM

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In my opinion, I love Glocks just as much as the next guy however, I'd take and XD over a Glock anyday. I think they have a much better trigger pull. Also they are more comfortable for me to carry (if thats what you plan to do). Again this is just my opinion, hope it helped.

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I would have to say me favorite polymer gun is the full size SA XDm in 9mm I like the normal capacity of the magazines along with heavier feel of it as in my opinion it helps with muzzle flip

5 years 48 weeks ago, 8:10 PM

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50 rnds per month?

Is that 50 rnds per month total or per caliber ?.. That could definitely influence your decision for multiple handguns in many different calibers/ semi auto/revolver.. And what about cowboy action rifles? 38sp,357mag,45colt,44mag? Again only 50 rnds total? or per different caliber? You might want to consider matching your ammo capability..

Seems like a bit of a mess coming to a bit of a messed up state...

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Mustang, the law doesn't specify but it reads as if it is 50 rounds of "handgun" ammunition total. Calibers like .44 mag in a lever action carbine are why the law doesn't make sense. Also remember its selling ammo, not purchasing it. You can purchase unlimited handgun ammo as long as it is in person

"...one is allowed to resist against the unjust aggressor to one's life [...] even 'til the aggressor’s death. In fact, this act is aimed at preserving one’s life and to make the aggressor powerless. Thus, it is a good act" - Thomas Aquinas
5 years 48 weeks ago, 2:20 PM

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Love the glocks

I own a 19 and my brother has the 23 and they are both great guns. I have put a lot of rounds through both and never had any major complications except for with one cheapo high cap mag that came with my 19. Got rid of the mag and no more problems. Want to give the XD a try but it would have to be amazing to take me away from my glock and the mini glock I am thinking about picking up!

5 years 48 weeks ago, 10:39 AM

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Glocks are great

I own a 19 rtf and have tried alot of diffrent glocks. I thought that they were all the same. As far as polymer goes, the m&ps are very nice. I've spent a lot of time with the XDm line. Nice gun, but I don't like the grips on them.

5 years 48 weeks ago, 2:26 PM

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Walther PK380 w/Laser

Soon I can post a pic. I LOVE this gun.

5 years 47 weeks ago, 2:59 PM

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M&P

I will weigh in with a simple answer. S&W M&P series.

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5 years 47 weeks ago, 10:00 PM

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I have an XDm in the 9mm and a XD Sub Compact 40. Wouldn't trade either one of them for any other hand gun. The XDm comes with a stsinless steel match grade barrel and a 19 round mags. You shoot one of these babies and you'll throw that Glock in the trash. Sorry just my opinion.

5 years 47 weeks ago, 10:46 PM

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No argument from me fixxer, love my xd 45 compact.

"...one is allowed to resist against the unjust aggressor to one's life [...] even 'til the aggressor’s death. In fact, this act is aimed at preserving one’s life and to make the aggressor powerless. Thus, it is a good act" - Thomas Aquinas
5 years 46 weeks ago, 1:18 PM

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best Poly

in the past I purchased one of the 1st SA/XD-9mm (it was even before they included "Kydex"gear since then I had purchased every one that came out (after waiting a couple of months to make sure I got everything without having to pay for extra gear at retail price) up to the carry .45ACP then I got sick and had to sell every poly,included all my Rugers and a P236 now that I am well I cannot afford to buy them all back at the same time ( Iwill start buying on Auctions till I can afford any NIB
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5 years 45 weeks ago, 5:21 AM

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Just purchased a HK USP 40, feels great.

5 years 45 weeks ago, 3:39 PM

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Fav Poly Pistol

My work pistol. The S&W M&P 45 is the most comfortable, smooth, reliable and sexy gun I have shot. I feels as though Smith & Wesson had me in mind when they made the gun.

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5 years 45 weeks ago, 3:47 PM

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Still not sold on the idea

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5 years 45 weeks ago, 4:11 PM

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Yup

sytasyn_syn wrote:
My work pistol. The S&W M&P 45 is the most comfortable, smooth, reliable and sexy gun I have shot. I feels as though Smith & Wesson had me in mind when they made the gun.

I'll take a M&P 45 over a glock any day. I've never held I glock that felt natural in my hands.

5 years 45 weeks ago, 8:49 AM

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CW's still not sold

I'd love to see a wheelgun take as many rounds through it as a polymer gun before breaking.

I love revolvers too (I'm not a gun snob), and there are a couple I would LOVE to have. I'd love my Colt Trooper MK 3 4" .357 back, and I'd love the S&W 29-8 4" .44 Mag with frame-mounted firing pin or a 629 Classic stainless .44 with 5" barrel, but revolvers just aren't in the cards for me because of my wife's issue with them.

Modern autos like the Glock are superior to revolvers in every way except power and bench accuracy, and even then, a G20 with 10mm loads will give any .357 a run for its money with extra rounds to spare.

There is something fun about shooting full power 357 loads at night, though. That flash from the muzzle and cylinder gap looks like a miniature howitzer going off.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 45 weeks ago, 9:31 AM

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Polymer gun

I've only got one, its the only one I've ever had.
Magnum Research Mountain Eagle. There's a pic of it in my photos. I've had it for some 20+ years. I have no idea how many rounds I've put through it. It finally malfunctioned last fall. So I cleaned it. First time it had ever been stripped down. It had so much residue on the bolt that it would not slide forward and chamber the next round. Good to go for another 20 years?

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5 years 45 weeks ago, 11:04 AM

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hehe

good story Vaq,i applaud your apparent distain and neglect of the Mountain Eagle.

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN
5 years 45 weeks ago, 11:11 AM

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One time

I forgot to "burp" it when I swapped mags. It almost vapor locked from pressure build up.

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 4:18 PM

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If you dont like safety switches/levers, I would have to say, best polymer gun, im sorry..."my favorite" polymer gun would have to be HK P30 with LEM trigger mod. No safety switch, trigger feels smoother than a glocks trigger for sure. Try one out.

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 6:12 PM

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Agree 100% P30

Not because I carry the P30, but it's America and you get what you pay for (sad to say). I have owned a Glock 19 (3rd gen-o.d. green) and a p99. They both were fantastic guns but I have a problem with wanting the best pistol in each caliber for my collection. Before I bought the H&K I leased an XD. The feel is unbelievable between the two. Once I held and fired the P30 I quit shopping by price point. The 9mm search is over for now. Probaly should wait till a B-Day and get the wife to pay half. Well worth the $$$$$.

5 years 44 weeks ago, 9:06 PM

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P30

357 sig.... nice weapon, but I still carry metal...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
5 years 44 weeks ago, 11:43 AM

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I would have to go with the Springfield because to me it just fits and feels better in my hand just my opinion though I hope noone gets all bent out of shape because I said that I like the springfield more then the glock

5 years 44 weeks ago, 2:28 PM

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Just wish the US could come up with something without having to go overseas to license copies or buy rights...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
5 years 44 weeks ago, 3:21 PM

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definetly a springfield xd 9mm

5 years 41 weeks ago, 7:56 AM

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M&P

Buy the Smith & Wesson M&P, Lifetime warranty.

5 years 8 weeks ago, 8:07 AM

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warranty

RETIRE-IN-ARIZONA wrote:
Buy the Smith & Wesson M&P, Lifetime warranty.

It seems as though quite a few gun manufacturers now offer a lifetime warranty, to the original buyer anyway.

5 years 41 weeks ago, 8:45 AM

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Beretta Px4 SC

I've had this for over a year and i believe this is one of the best out there. I have shot glocks and XD, but the berreta is more comfortable and very accurate

5 years 40 weeks ago, 3:35 PM

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Beretta PX 4 .40

I just bought a type F full size. I absolutely love it! As easy a gun to take apart as you can find. Everyone who shoots it only has one comment: "Smooth, Smooth, Smooth." It's a wonderful gun that I'm thrilled to have. Also, it looks gorgeous. Recoil is almost like a 9mm. The gun is quality built and pretty cool. I guess I also didn't want to be like everyone else who has a glock or XD. Sigs were too expensive. I wanted to have something that was somewhat rare, looked really cool, and performed beautifully. This gun has met all of those with flying colors!

5 years 39 weeks ago, 6:46 PM

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XD 9

I have 2... The sub-compact and the service length. Both perform flawlessly with any ammo I have fed through them.... Have just passed the 1000 round mark on the second.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 1:55 PM

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observation

ronin1604 wrote:
I have 2... The sub-compact and the service length. Both perform flawlessly with any ammo I have fed through them.... Have just passed the 1000 round mark on the second.

Like your tag picture, I'll have to update mine.

5 years 6 weeks ago, 6:06 AM

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POLYMER HANDGUN

Buy the Smith & Wesson M&P---MADE IN AMERICA

5 years 6 weeks ago, 1:04 PM

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plastic handgun

it all depends on the size of the pistol that you want. First you have to decide on what safety you want on your pistol, then decide on the caliber, also need to find out how it fits in your hand, how do you like to trigger pull, also when firing your polymer handgun does it fire the way you want it to, does the bullet hit the target we you wanted to.

Also how much do you want to spend on this new weapon? Have you ever shot a plastic handgun? .....................TY

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4 years 43 weeks ago, 8:13 PM

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M&P for sure

Love the m&p. size, wt, and adjustable back strap. shot several G's and all felt squared off, not a good grip. After the mil switched to the M&P, i was sold... its really was fits you and can you hold on during rapid fire... IMHO

4 years 42 weeks ago, 9:10 AM

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I have a M&P40 I use a .357sig barrel, and had my M&P45c -- My dad, who is a huge .45 guy, tried it out at the range and was amazed as it does not feel like shooting a .45. Sold my Glock for it and haven't regretted it one bit.

Unfortunately he used his reloads, instead of the factory ammo I handed him, and he had a squib and then chambered another round and pulled the trigger...

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 6:21 PM

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 7:51 PM

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Yep, he's OK. Some nicks on his nose and hands but that's it. Could easily have been far, far worse. He's rethinking his reloading hobby a bit though :D

4 years 42 weeks ago, 8:22 PM

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do ya, huh, huh.. BRAAHHHAAA.. See it can happen..

Wolf, with Daisy hope dads ok. I've never had a squib, but seems the only times i've fired a "soft" feeling round it's while Dtaping or running a fast (for me anyway) string and in every case i've sent another one down range before the "soft" feeling telegraphed to trigger finger..

Storms.. Don't like them.. just made this comment the other day, my Son-n-law had an absolutely perfect XD 40.. got hooked on the size of the Storm.. traded for a loss. I loved the Springfield, and honestly was "under" whelmed with the Storm.. Little row hammer that slipped thru my fingers.. Hammer drop safeties are for sissy's.. Ok . sissy's who like to make a fool out of themselves in front of son-n-laws by letting little row hammers slip thru their fingers..

Seriously.. Course the Storm makes a better carry piece no question about that, but for enjoyable, and accurate shooting the same driver will fire tighter grips with the XD than the PX..

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 8:33 PM

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in a million years I could ever be wrong? NEVER!!!!
The only time I was wrong was when I decided to stop breast feeding!
Maybe 15-20 years ago??
What's a squib load, never heard of 'em!

PX4 Storms.., well, maybe I do recall something, NO Daisycutter is NEVER wrong!

"Daisy.. remember the squib's.. and PX4 Storms..

do ya, huh, huh.. BRAAHHHAAA.. See it can happen.."

Uh, okay, maybe I'll give ya this one grampa LOL :<)))

iyaoyas
4 years 13 weeks ago, 9:41 AM

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The Glock 19 is just head & shoulders above all the copy cats. It's the perfect dual purpose gun for me. I can lay it on my nightstand at night & during the day I CC it in my Milt Sparks VMII holster. Just think about this, S&W thought so much of the design they actually copied it when they introduced their "SIGMA" series. Glock sued S&W & won.
It's very accurate, takes abuse like it enjoys it & carries 16 rounds which are ready to go when ever you pull the trigger.
It has everything I need:
1. It's a great value priced gun.
2. It's accurate.
3. It's dependable.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 1:55 PM

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Glock guy

Yes! another one in our corner,boooyaaa!

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN
4 years 13 weeks ago, 5:05 PM

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Vietvet68

Welcome to the site. I got to Nam a little later than you.

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