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Finest Military Elites

These are my top picks for the finest military units in the world. Do you agree or disagree? Post your thoughts here. Also, this is my first experiment with HTML, so hopefully I get this right.

GSG-9
Although GSG-9 is not technically a military unit (they are, in fact, considered German federal policemen), they are just as well-trained as most of the other units on this list. Grenzschutzgruppe 9 was drawn from police instead of the military as German law prohibits military personnel from being used against the civilian populace (which makes sense if one considers pre-WWII Germany, with the SS and brown shirts). This unit was formed to ensure that there would never be another Munich Olympics-style terrorist attack on German soil, and so far it seems to be working. GSG-9 also helped train India's premiere counter-terrorism unit.

Spetsnaz
Russia's Cold War supermen, Spetsnaz was (is) their rough equivalent to our Marine Corps. They are similar to our Marines in the high level of aggression and skill emphasized in training, but differ in that Spetsnaz's aggression is somewhat unbridled, and their rage is well-known to be a potent battlefield force. Spetsnaz troopers are trained to resist even extremely high levels of pain, and it is rumored that some 300 people have died during the training process. Spetsnaz proved its worth during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, as they were one of the only units that the Afghans truly feared and respected. They are trained to move in armored vehicles or helicopters such as the HIND, and can attack in waves or as part of deep-penetrating missions.

Royal Marine Corps (3 Commando Brigade)
The Royal Marines are Britain's equivalent to... guess what... our Marines. They are the UK's specialista in arctic, mountain, and amphibious warfare, and are respected the world over. The 3 Commando Brigade is the elite of the Royal Marines, and are the primary reason that everyone here knows the word "commando" for a special forces-type soldier.This unit is somewhat self-contained, with their own transportation and medical facilities. They have served in all of Britain's conflicts from World War II on, and have frequently extended a helping hand to their biggest ally, the USA. It's nice to have good friends, isn't it?

The Regiment/SAS/SBS/SRR/SFSG
This unit has enjoyed many spectacular successes over the years-- including their famous behind-the-lines airfield raids in WWII-era Libya (using MG-mounted Jeeps and Land Rovers) and the rescue of British Embassy personnel during the 1980 Iranian siege. Their symbol is not, in fact, a winged dagger, as many think, but a flaming sword, which is a reference to an Arthurian legend. Their motto is "Who Dares Wins". Pretty fitting, I think. Again, it's nice to have good friends and allies.

Sayeret Matkal
You know the Israeli counter-terrorism troops have got to be badasses. Sayeret Matkal has been steadily tempered by constant Middle Eastern conflict into one of the best fighting units in the world. Their training, on top of regular Army training, lasts a grueling 20 months, but what emerges are fighting machines. I suppose being surrounded by enemies (except for Egypt now, although we mustn't forget that even Egypt attempted to invade Israel at one time) must provide a unique incentive to learn how to fight well. Their motto, copied from the British SAS (who, along with native Bedouin trackers, helped train many of their initial recruits), is "Who Dares Wins".

Mossad
Don't mess with Jews. That's the message that the Mossad attempts to send worldwide. They are Israel's rough equivalent of our CIA's SOG. Mossad has been implicated in several assassinations and bombings, and although their methods can oftentimes be crude (even illegal), they are very effective. They recently made international news for using stolen foreign passports and identities in checking into a Dubai hotel where they assassinated an Arab leader. Love them or hate them, you have to respect their creativity and determination, although they sometimes drag the United States into diplomatic spats.

And finally, the Americans
What we lack in manpower, we more than make up for in ability. We may not have millions of faceless peons to create a human wave over an enemy's defenses... but we'll just go around, over, under, or through whatever is thrown in our way.

United States Army Rangers
The U.S. Army Rangers are some of the finest combat troops in the world, and are well-known for being America's airborne elite. Everything from their training to their equipment is top-notch, and they are permitted to wear their patch as part of their uniform. Ranger School (i.e. The School of Hard Knocks) is guaranteed to push a man to the limits of physical performance. Rangers even have a colorful history-- from the Normandy invasion of World War II all the way to the modern Middle Eastern battlefield. Many other countries' elite fighting units were trained by Army Rangers.

United States Marine Corps (Force Reconnaissance and Marine Special Operations Teams)
The elite of the elite, MSOR and Force Recon are the best of The Corps. Some of the most feared troops in the world, Marines are known for smashing through any obstacle presented to them and for serving the United States of America in some of the most hellish places known to man.. and winning. Force Reconnaissance is primarily concerned with scouting, whereas MSOR (Marine Special Operations Regiment) is primarily concerned with kicking ass. They are both integral to America's striking power abroad, and although the units are small in comparison with their competitors, such as Spetsnaz, they pack enormous firepower and ability per man.

SOG/Special Operations Group
When the CIA needs to get their hands dirty, they call on the Special Operations Group, of the Special Activities Division, to get it done. SOG is perhaps best-known for operating conjointly with and recruiting from the United States Army Special Forces. Very little of what they have done is known (out of their total number of operations), but you can bet that they've had some pretty harrowing encounters and that they continue to influence the world's geopolitical structure to this day.

U.S. Navy SEALS
The Navy's Sea, Air, and Land teams are the best in the world at underwater operations, and they can put up a hell of a fight out of the water too. Silent, deadly, and feared, SEAL Team 6, which originally received extra training from a few Army SF personnel, is America's preferred covert response to incidents of terrorism at sea. You'll never know they're there... until the knife is pressed against your throat.

U.S. Army Special Forces
Many (most) of the CIA's much-feared SAD (Special Activities Division) personnel were former Special Forces personnel. They earned a reputation for themselves in Vietnam, although their predecessors operated in Korea, and while they have sometimes been notorious rather than famous (mainly due to horror stories from Vietnam), nobody can deny that they are among America's finest soldiers. Love them or hate them, fear them or respect them, it's impossible to deny their covert presence and skill level.

Delta Force
What would a unit of operators drawn from Army Special Forces and Rangers look like? Well, while relatively little concrete information is out there about America's premiere counter-terrorism unit, but what is known should be enough to make any of our enemies shake in their boots. Although there are only estimated to be between 800 and 1000 Delta Force operatives, they pack a disproportionate punch, as well as their own integrated air transport and attack helicopters. The ability to silently strike anywhere in the world at a moment's notice with extremely deadly force is not to be taken lightly.

And, without further ado, the military unit I consider to be the best in the world: U.S. Army Rangers.

The Rangers strike a great balance between numbers and specialized training, and they're well-known enough to make themselves feared by our enemies. Of course... I'm a little biased, since one of my uncles is a Ranger.

6 years 26 weeks ago, 4:32 PM

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ok

but from what years of 1900-2012?

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Absolutely not

Sorry, but rangers are nothing more than grunts with better toys. And of course, their PT uniform makes them look oh-so-cute. I don't know enough about other special operations forces to make an educated guess, although I would probably have to go with CIA's SOG, but rangers would be about the last on this particular list.

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6 years 26 weeks ago, 4:37 PM

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Unless these units are tasked with identical missions (US SOCOM Army and Navy assets are both tasked with the CT mission, for instance), then an apples to apples comparison is both difficult and lacks meaning.

Units from different aligned countries tasked with similar missions usually train together and even work together (SAS, Delta, GSG9).

US LE teams cannot be discounted either within their limited area of expertise, and they are sources of info on particular types of operations for US military assets. LAPD SWAT is kicking live doors daily, whereas some US.mil teams might get wheels up a few times in a decade.

I'll bet all the money in my pocket that in every single "elite" group, there's at least one guy who the rest think is marginal or shouldn't be there at all. Provided proper selection and training, it's comforting to know that even the 'slow guy' on a particular team is head and shoulders above the average soldier/cop.

As an example, Delta selection (from a UCRS report I read years back, testimony from an Army general) selected 1-3 people from a candidate audience of over 1,000 people. That candidate pool is comprised mainly of experienced Army SF/Ranger folk, with good service records and excellent performance. The more specialized the mission, the easier it is to pick who you want.

A large amount of public data is available, and typically paints a more realistic picture of US SOF components that the majority of coffee-table books in print about them. US SOCOM/JSOC used to publish a mission statement yearly that had a gob of data about current taskings, projections, etc. The acronyms change frequently, so plenty of oft-regurgitated tales about elite military units is outdated and sadly sometimes embellished or "dumbed down" to sell books (video games moreso these days).

Every person who served in Delta, SAS, et al that I've had the privilege to meet have been consumate professionals, and extraordinarily capable instructors. The Israelis I met/worked with from were less 'polished', but their mindset and capabilities were obvious.

6 years 26 weeks ago, 4:45 PM

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Green Beret's?

Green Beret's?

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6 years 26 weeks ago, 5:20 PM

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I'd also put

French Foreign Legion on the list,because they have cool hats and sing while they march about blood pudding,yummy.Seriously,while i was training in Coronado( Marines,Rangers,and Seals) we waxed the Rangers,and the Seals waxed everybody(home field advantage and all that).Lots of fun though,but i agree these units have many varied responsibilities,training, and assignments,to hard to compare apples to apples.

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6 years 26 weeks ago, 5:29 PM

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I mean no disrespect, but the points here are from book learning, not real world experience. You can read about these groups all day long, but unless you've worked alongside them and seen what they do under combat conditions, you really don't know what they are like. They all like to toot their own horns and tell you how good they are or how they are the baddest of the bad. I think there needs to be a lot more information in here, with examples, before I would give this list or its conclusions much credence at all. Sorry. I'm not trying to be an ass (although it does come naturally to me.)

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6 years 25 weeks ago, 4:26 PM

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I listed Army Rangers because my uncle is one and I wouldn't want to tangle with him. My best friend's older brother was a SEAL, and he's also a pretty badass dude.

6 years 25 weeks ago, 4:55 PM

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and my point, really, was that because you know some dude in a unit is a very poor reason to claim the unit is therefore one of the most elite. Everyone goes a around saying they are bad ass, but to me that raises a red flag. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but gunslot is not the kind of place where you can just claim whatever you want. People expect some documentation, sources, or reasons other than "my best friend's older brother' which is just about the lamest reason I've ever heard other than 'ebear's mama's queer ex-boyfriend.'

Let me put it this way: If you were told all about elite groups, who would you believe? A young college guy with no apparent experience who is in the Guard who has to lose significant weight before he can even be accepted into the regular army? Or an E-6 soon to be E-7 who has been in the Army fifteen years and been deployed multiple times to both Iraq and Afghanistan and has actually worked alongside some of these so-called elite groups? That would be runawaygun who has already weighed in on what he thinks of your list.

Look, I don't want to be mean to you, but what I'd like you to understand is that if you have something to contribute because you have some knowledge or real-world expertise, by all means do so. But this site is full of active duty and ex-military who have actually been there and done that, some very knowledgeable people who won't take too kindly to a bunch of bullshit.

So sit back and take it easy for awhile. Learn to know some of the guys here and where they are at. You can learn a lot, and know that we will be 100% encouraging in your quest to join the army, and thank you for your service so far. Maybe in time we can learn from you as well. We'll just have to wait and see.

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6 years 25 weeks ago, 5:26 PM

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Well stated sir. Scram, the man is right.

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You seem to be taking what I have to say pretty seriously for a "A young college guy with no apparent experience who is in the Guard who has to lose significant weight before he can even be accepted into the regular army..."

This was my personal opinion, nothing more, nothing less, just like anything else I say here. You don't have to agree with me (I never even encouraged anyone to, if you'll notice), but you don't have to make a huge issue out of it either. You'll also notice that in the post itself, I encouraged those who disagreed with me to pick their favorite special-forces type groups and put them up here, along with the reasons why.

I don't care if someone disagrees with me. That's how debate comes around. But when somebody's entire argument is based off of attacking the person they are debating, rather than presenting facts (i.e. "you don't know anything,") I tend to get a little annoyed.

"These are my top picks for the finest military units in the world. Do you agree or disagree? Post your thoughts here. Also, this is my first experiment with HTML, so hopefully I get this right."

^ you will also notice that I was interested in getting the HTML coding right, as well as stating an OPINION (can I say that enough? OPINION). My objective wasn't to educate, just to present an OPINION and back it up with my reasoning.

Now, I've had a shitty fucking day (we had to write a paper on what we like to do, and I wrote mine on TXSG. My teacher took me aside today and informed me that I'm probably going to fail the class since she gave me a zero on the paper because "State Guard and the military in general don't give anything back to the community"; I just had to stand there and take that bullshit since she's a professor, and I'm not in a very good mood about it. Now I have to appeal my grade), and I'm a lot angrier about this than is reasonable, I give you that. But seriously?

6 years 25 weeks ago, 10:11 PM

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Go tell the Marine Corps "Toys For Tots" campaign
They never give anything to the community.

Invite some Marines to come talk to her LMAO

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6 years 25 weeks ago, 10:14 PM

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That gave her the right to be
a FUCKING LIBERAL BITCH.

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with the argument that you and Schuyler have 'struck up'.........BUT!.......I would not tolerate this remark "State Guard and the military in general don't give anything back to the community" (caps lock)................HER FUCKING RIGHT TO SAY SUCH LIBERAL DRIVEL IS MADE POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE SACRIFICES OF OUR MILITARY PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE, THAT NASTY CUNT!.......I'd be kicking turds down the collage highway about now, I wouldn't have stood for that shit.......But thats just me!

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Looks like a double fail to me. I don't really care what you earn in your college courses. You're brand new here yet you are lecturing us. I'm trying to give you some advice here. You are known by the quality of your posts. The better written, better documented, better referenced information will be valued and will earn you a better reputation. You can't expect to some strutting in here with nothing but opinions and start lecturing people old enough to be your grandfather. You want to be part of this group then learn a little humility. If you don't pay attention here I don't really give a shit. You'll do yourself in well enough.

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6 years 25 weeks ago, 9:09 PM

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Quote:
The better written, better documented, better referenced information will be valued and will earn you a better reputation

Damn there goes my rep! LOL

6 years 25 weeks ago, 9:13 PM

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Seriously

Lets all take a deep breath and say the unit that is best for the mission is the best one.

6 years 25 weeks ago, 9:16 PM

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I agree with you, Hamp

that kind of thing is not defensible, but I maintain it is easily refuted. My daughter, a six year vet, is going through the same thing at U Texas as we speak. She's pissed, too, but she's a good writer and can take that stuff on. What really pisses her is the 'teacher' is about her age, doesn't write as well as she does, and has, of course, never served.

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Part of being a non traditonal student is that alot of my professors are younger than me and have no concept of the real world. They dont get it when kids are sick, or you need to be at a meeting in another town.

6 years 25 weeks ago, 9:36 PM

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to stay out of this.......But when I read shit like that weather it is real, imagined or otherwise, it makes my blood boil and I am forced to comment.....As for the rest of that post, I would prefer even a journalist (read war correspondent as of yore's) opinion on 'elite' forces as opposed to conjecture, at least those guys spent time in "the shit".

As an aside, I have a friend that served in what could be considered an 'elite' unit, I won't mention which one because it would add nothing to the post, but what I will say is he is one of the most humble men you will ever meet, quiet as a mouse.

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6 years 25 weeks ago, 9:35 PM

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They usually are.

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Schuyler, HampsterW, they called you out on this one!! Inform your professor, of what she is lacking. Without the Milatry, she wouldn't be spewing forth her indoctrination, that she learned from her professor. She needs to inroll in American History 101. Have here start out at the part when Hitler was gassing people. Same time the Japs were killing Phillipinos, Chinise, Americans. The Liberal BITCH needs to understand why she dosn't speak German, or Japanese. Then inform her why!! Hint (cause the US Milatry won the war)!!
I can't write a thesis, but I can get my point across!!! If you have any balls, and not afraid of her, you can inform her of the small stuff in life like the United States Armed Forces have done!! OOo yea inform her if we would have had Ronald Reagen in the White House during Vietnam, we would a kicked their ass!!!
Ask her, _____professer, do you know what Armed and Forces mean?? If you can stand on yer hind legs, muster up the GUTS to Inform her what it means. My question to Is, Do you know what it means??? There are some Vets, (not animal doctors) on this Site that can help!! Just ask.
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Sorry, one more question,____she is a professor of what??? Just what does she PROFESS???
One more tidbit______don't dessacrate the name Durango!!!

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