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2 years 34 weeks ago, 11:52 AM

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looking to buy my first hand gun in your best opinion what is more important. Fire Power vs. Accuracy i personally like the 1911 shooting platform but the only thing its lacking is fire power 8 rounds are good for me but after shooting my friends 9 15+1 is sounding better...lol but that muzzle flip was retarded the 1911 has very nicely balanced weight wise and almost zero muzzle flip... what do you guys think?

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 12:58 PM

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Accuracy, my two cents.

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 1:18 PM

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i feel the same way my shooting buddies are trying to talk me out of that single stack mag... that gun just feels so good and il take 2" groups of 5 over 10" groups of 11 any day...lol

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 1:42 PM

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all the rounds in the world can't help if they won't go where you want them,id personally be more comfortable with a single action revolver thats accurate over a hi cap semi auto that isn't.

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 1:55 PM

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Ditto that, Jay

Yeah, 15+ rounds is good if you're going to be in a sustained fire fight, but for most of our purposes, you shouldn't need more than a well-placed double tap.

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 9:43 PM

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never fired a revolver

but i do agree spray and pray is just stupid im just guna get the 1911 and become very proficient with it.

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 3:03 PM

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Ditto

Shoot straight. remember why the 1911 was handed down from God in the first place.
Fast, accurate and it stops what it hits.

2 years 33 weeks ago, 9:39 PM

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ha ha

yeah ima stick with choice im getting the 1911 springfield operator... it felt like it was made especially for my hand... and if i want i could always get a 10 round kim pro tac...

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 6:12 PM

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A whole school of thought about that.. (number of rounds as opposed to focused fire) course the best of all is to have a SA shooters mentality while armed with a double stack 1911..

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 11:01 PM

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If you want knock down power like a .45 caliber pistol like a 1911 or you want accuracy of single action revolver. What ever you pick, just make sure you comforable while shooting it, and practice, practice, practice. It doesn't hurt to put some trigger time with any weapon you choose.

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 11:04 PM

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Don't get me wrong

I prefer a semi auto pistol over a revolver, just because, I had more trigger time with pistol. I never did see a bad revolver through.

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 11:37 PM

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auto's and revolvers..

guess i've had about equal time with both.. in the past (mid eighties) i was buying a lot of 1911's, sold them when the prices started going thru the roof.. should have waited, three times higher now, but diffrent story.. there are some "bennies" with a revolver.. for one theirs just not an issue of not firing.. Most good autos have tak'n the FTF, and FTE events to miniscule numbers, but they still do exist.. The big thing is unless your using a DA pistol, or your carying uncle Johns in condition one (defined as one in battery) you have to charge that weapon before firing.. Love my 1911's.. that being said i don't like to carry it in condition one with that hammer back, and on saftey.. John might have designed it that way.. but you get enough looks with out that issue.. so in the middle of crisis, you have to also cycle that slide...again this is with out having a DA auto.. On the plus for revolvers .. always work.. period.. but bulkier and less rounds.. that and the speed of reload with a magazine as opposed to speed loader..

on the trigger, both the same.. actually the SA revolver.. the old western stand by has a slower lock time, that big hammer takes a while to fall. and actually moves the gun around a bit, so you can see why it's harder to shoot than a standard revolver.. the arugument will be around for as long as theirs handguns.. to me the model 19 Smith is about as perfect a weapon as you can get.. 38's or 357.. not so heavy that it wears you out.. and if you get the target trigger..(or have a bit of work done) theres no finer tirgger on hte market..

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 6:53 AM

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With the 1911 8 rounds is 7 more than you'll ever need if something breaks out, same with any gun though. If you shoot better with the 1911, then stick with that, very rarely do you need a second round with the .45 ACP.

2 years 33 weeks ago, 5:47 PM

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Cause, if you ever have to use it in a real life problem the less rounds you use to stop the bad guy the better.

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 9:24 PM

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One has nothing to do with Personal Protection and the Other has everything to do with a Fire Fight.

Fire Power is a Battle consideration if used in the classical sense. Laying down a field of fire to keep the heads down of those you oppose as some of your side gains position on them is where Firepower comes in handy. Blowing holes through armor, building walls, vehicals and engine blocks, firepower.

Self Defense, you had best be able to shoot straight and put the one needing put down as quick as possible. You can do that with a pointed stick if you can hit them in the correct spot. Accuracy hands down, there is an old adage "Carry the largest caliber you can handle" there is also another that states "A Firearm is not supposed to be comfortable, it is supposed to be comforting"

Whatever you decide upon, make sure you practice the most forgotten parts of carrying.

1, malfunction clearing
2. reloads
3. clearing the holster and presenting the firearm
4. instinctive shooting, or, Point Shooting

5. Something else you should practice is different shooting positions if the range you shoot at allows it. Also, close quarters shooting without extending your arm. Get where you can have a target anywhere from between 1 foot in front of you out to 10 feet in front of you.

Draw your weapon, flip you weapon up, locking your wrist and point shoot two shots (double tap) center mass Do the same thing out at 21 feet but bring the pistol up in to the shooters visual box and as soon as the front sight is in your vision, double tap.

Drills will help keep you alive, attitude will help keep you alive, even anger will help keep you alive, ego will get you into trouble more times than not.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 33 weeks ago, 10:01 PM

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great stuff bro

thank you i will definitely practice these drills

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2 years 32 weeks ago, 7:10 AM

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just throwing this out there, i have a Tuarus 24/7 OSS 9MM, 17 rounds in the mag, i wouldnt trade it for anything, but everyone ive met that owns a 1911 is a arrogant, conceded, selfish bastard that acts like their shit don't stink and they are better then everyone else. Therefore I refuse to jump on the 1911 band wagon.

2 years 32 weeks ago, 7:44 AM

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Really?

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just throwing this out there, i have a Tuarus 24/7 OSS 9MM, 17 rounds in the mag, i wouldnt trade it for anything, but everyone ive met that owns a 1911 is a arrogant, conceded, selfish bastard that acts like their shit don't stink and they are better then everyone else. Therefore I refuse to jump on the 1911 band wagon.

I own a couple 1911's and I'm not arrogant, conceited, or selfish because of it. I have much better reasons to be arrogant, selfish, and conceited than my gun collection. Have you ever shot a 1911? If you're who I think you are I'll let you shoot mine. Trust me, once you do, you'll love them.

Don't get me wrong, the Taurus is an awesome gun and so is my Springfield XDm. There's a lot of different guns out there that are awesome for self and home defense. At work we carry a 7-shot S&W .357 Magnum that I would love to have for my collection. Nothing wrong with a 9mm or a wheelgun, just got to find the right one for you and a lot of people think it's the 1911.

2 years 32 weeks ago, 2:53 PM

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see i had it the other way around my glock fan boy friends come at me with this the 1911 is a pos glock was made on mount olympus and not worth it and its hard to take down it always jams etc etc... then i asked them if they ever fired one? they said i wouldnt waste my time... i almost bought into that but one day at the range this guy let me shoot his 1911 springfield trp i only took five shots punched out the Q and was soild on 1911s ever since oh and the guy put 1000 rounds thru the 1911 that day and only had one FTF casue his mag spring broke

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2 years 32 weeks ago, 1:40 PM

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"...but everyone ive met that owns a 1911 is a arrogant, conceded, selfish bastard that acts like their shit don't stink and they are better then everyone else."

Actually, I'm even more "arrogant" because I own a Raven .25, chrome plated, plastic "pearl" grips and engraved (actually scratched) "Crips 4 evah", it's my concealed carry and home defense weapon, also good for small game hunting at under 3 yds.

If you ever get up this way let me know. I'll buy the beer and ammo. You can shoot my 1911 until you decide you like it. Then we'll drink beer.
Then you'll be an arrogant, conceded, selfish bastard that acts like your shit don't stink and you are better than everyone else.
Hold on here, if I buy the beer and ammo I can't be a selfish bastard. Bring your own beer & ammo!
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2 years 32 weeks ago, 3:22 PM

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But it's a collectable Raven.. and you've been known to take small game with it.. Forgot about the "crips".. here all this time i thought you were MS13.. oh yeah i forgot.. my sister "kelo" is ready for you to send her... uh .. hm.. she say aunt "mota" misses you..

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2 years 32 weeks ago, 6:37 PM

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are dwellers of the inner city projects.
No, I can't hang with the MS13, turkeys. Decir hola a la tía MariaJane, por favor.

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2 years 31 weeks ago, 10:07 PM

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Actually not me, one of my "boys".. we monitored I/M phone conversations all the time.. Policy is a "random" monitor, you can't (W/O paper) do a full listen, but random is ok'd, course you profile and don't waste time with anyone but players..(Matt.. same in Fl?) had good intel on one of the yard mules, i instruct the shift to have him monitored if he makes a call.. He was an esse so my instructions were (duh) to have a Hispanic on the line.. My boys got me on this one, a set up deal, i see him on the phone, and beat feet to the yard office.. He's off by the time i get thru the doors and up the ladder to the yard O.. I'm all excited, ask for an update.. Im thinking of what im going to put in the report to indicate his conversation, I'm ok, who monitored and what did he say..Had a number of great, but shall we say WATER HEAD boys.. (still chuckle on this one) they had it all set up, i get the "we didn't have no spanish speak'n".. Course im "tweaked" and want info, what i got was something like i said earlier..

I get "well he said Uncle Kilo, aunt Mo ta (weed) are going to be visiting, i figured it was just family stuff so i stopped listening to them".. Course they let me get hot before telling me i'd been punked.. This is the same crew who (total of 25 staff 10 had done desert storm) would start the shift by doing the "chant".. We had wall lockers on the corridor.. Metal would ring out big time.. these guys (ok, might have taken part once or so... but i didn't inhale) would line up and with their heads in the lockers chant the following..

OOWWAAATTTAAARRREEETTTAAARRRDDDIIIIAAAMMM

sounded just like down town Baghdad on a Sat night..

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Yep, we have done this sort of thing. I think every prison call should be monitored, personally. I mean, free people now have to worry about the feds monitoring our every call, why shouldn't the scumbags?

2 years 32 weeks ago, 2:00 PM

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Well I guess not everyone, I've known you long enough to know that you're not like that, but the majority of the people I've met is

2 years 32 weeks ago, 6:49 PM

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J3T3RArmy wrote:
Well I guess not everyone, I've known you long enough to know that you're not like that, but the majority of the people I've met is

I'm going to go ahead and take up for J3t3rArmy here for a second on this tip. If he's met some of the guys with the super customized 1911's that shoot match with them, he probably has met some who act like their crap don't stink and like their gun is the best thing in the history of ever. But all 1911 owners don't fall into that catergory, just those guys who are compensating for something else, lol.

2 years 32 weeks ago, 2:46 PM

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isn't that a bit like saying everyone who I've met that likes chevy over ford is a conceited,selfish,arrogant.............its all just personal preference,and people have personal reasons for the preference they have.ford vs chevy,glogk vs 1911,apples vs oranges.

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No worries, me and J3t3rArmy know each other and I'm going to let him run a mag through my 1911, let him see what he's been missing. Only problem then will be getting him to give it back....

I do get tired of hearing about Glocks like they're the greatest thing in the history of ever, forged by Thor, yada yada yada. The point I always bring up is that no military anywhere in the world has EVER adopted a Glock as their sidearm. Meanwhile the number one army in the world, ours, packed the 1911 for 75 years.

LOL, hey, it's no sillier than arguing about sports, right?

2 years 32 weeks ago, 1:32 PM

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Arguing sports

MattyTheJet wrote:
LOL, hey, it's no sillier than arguing about sports, right?

Right

How to argue college football
It's funny, because it's true!

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2 years 31 weeks ago, 6:28 AM

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LOL

And that's why college football tends to make my head hurt. Love it anyway though....

2 years 31 weeks ago, 6:49 AM

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lol

this is how me and my friends argue college football...lol

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BTW

Just read an article at guns.com that popped up on my facebook page, seems the Marines are adopting a 1911 to replace their 9mm. Everything old is new again.

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with style and grace. Gotta luv 'em :<)

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gotta luv a man in uniform! heehee

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oh really?

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gotta luv a man in uniform! heehee

Might need to post a pic of me in my uniform from the prison then... :P

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You have a link to that article?

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U.S. Army shopping
http://www.guns.com/us-army-will-retire-m9-because-its-old-and-weak-2725...

Marines shopping
http://www.guns.com/competition-for-the-corps-new-pistol-reveals-front-r...

hoorah! :<)

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Thanks. Good info. I don't want to bad mouth the M9 (M92F). I believe it is a decent pistol, but obviously, I would love to see our military armed with the 1911 again.

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I remember reading about four or five years ago that Force Recon (Marines obv.) had requisitioned some of their old issue 1911's.. Deal is it's hard to seperate a rumor from fact.. I do remember reading that in one of my gun mags.. One of those three paragraph articles in the back of the mag..

Haven't heard any follow up with the exception of the usual on all small unit spec ops that can pretty much use what ever weapons system they want.. example of this was the report last year that SEAL teams were using Smith 66's for their water entry side arm.. The 66 is the 19 in stainless.. makes since that they would use that piece for coming out of the water.. Here again was that a whole team.. maybe unit.. At that levil i would think it's "almost" an individual call..

If the story on Force Recon Marines is fact that would have been the largest unit change over that i've heard of.. Not sure if thats Battalion or what.. Lucky whats the story on Force, and Fleet Recon, i've never gotten this straight.. is one a higher trained than the other, or is Fleet used when deployed on Ships.. Also what sort of group size.. Division, Battalion or what..

I have no doubt that 1911's are being used.. Conflicting stories on how OBL was killed, i've heard both SMG and Pistol, if SMG that would prol'y have been HK, but could be anything, it Pistol which i think is the case (if anyone has good details id like to hear them) then i'm betting he was double taped with 185-160 gr of 45 ACP..

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military and special weapons and tactics cops opting for the 1911 pistols in .45
It makes a lot of sense to me.
Two of my friends, just acquaintances actually, shot people with 9MM. The results were disappointing from the "stop them from doing what they were doing" standpoint. The 2 people I knew who were shot with .45 were somewhat less ambulatory.
I have read ammunition reviews which said that developments in 9MM projectiles over the past 20 years have made the 9MM a more lethal cartridge.
Apparently the military and swat cops are not fully convinced.
I carry a .380 but if it were overcoat weather year round I'd carry my 1911 .45
The .380 will do the job but it takes bullet placement, accurate shooting if you please.
Like they say at the races, "run what ya brung" :<)

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kept going back and forth on this one.. That little Freedom Arms 22 is so easy to carry.. it's just a pocket drop..ultimate mezk'n carry huh.. Every since ISD sent that holster to me i've been carrying the airweight again.. I had a good holster for it.. Galco.. Don't come much better, but the whole rig was bulky..Concealed well (small of back) but holster is as heavy as my AW.. The cross draw i got from brother John is not quite as concealable.. Not designed to be.. it's a 45 degree cant to C/L of the body, and he has some sorta lining thats leather, but polished and so smooth that the gun almost jumps at you.. I'm not half as quick as i was, but telling you i can go from surrender position to piece in hand in WAY fast time.. i was worried about cross draw as they do let someone standing in front of you have access, but the cant makes that almost imposable..

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no such animal

As fleet recon that i know of.

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Is such an animal..

Fleet, and Force Recon Marines.. Going by memory, knew i had heard it. Just searched, yep force and fleet both..

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Greg,
is your post stating that you did follow up research to LBC's comment and it agreed with your memory, or are you typing agreeing with LBC?
If you did the research, could you please list your source? I want to read about this.

thank you

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OK.. Clint, heres your answer.. Yes i did do follow up research..My memory was that both force and fleet existed, lucky said no such animal existed.. I did a google and had like 30 pages on them, obviously they do exist.. I typed a response to Lucky stating that.. i actually edited it out as i didn't want to be heavy handed.. I have no idea why you included the 66.. That had nothing to do with the Marine issue.. simply a statement that i had read some SEAL teams were using that piece for their water born insertion.. Point of that was only that small elite units have some discretion on which weapons they chose..

I'm getting an attitude, and let me make this real FUCKING clear.. i don't like getting upset, i've dealt with shall we say anger issues all my life, and still ask for forgiveness for past acts, if this is going to be a pissing contest you win Clint, as i can promise you i wont be here to play it with you.. I was making an effort not to "flame" Lucky with my response, and i made an effort (remember the "id prefer a hug" comment) to smooth over our last encounter.. shaking my head here, i like to be a force or factor of positive here, and shall we say that at the moment thats NOT the case..

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Greg,
Please forgive me. I got the Smith 66 and the Marine comment confused. I do not see an advantage to revolvers, but I also know enough to know I do not know everything. I was asking where the research or source material was concerning the special forces (with whom I thought was the Marines, only to be reminded that it was the SEALs). Those guys know more than I do and I was merely trying to acquire information to make better choices based on real world happenings. I did not mean to offend or "attack" you in any way and I apologize if my question was interpreted in such a way.

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p.s. now if you could point me in the direction of the SEALs using the smith 66 that would be much appreciated.

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Well there is FLEET MARINE FORCE or FMF.Which is a Marine unit riding around on boats,watching squids dish out chow and perform various cleaning tasks.FORCE RECON would be one element of a FMF,which requires several big boats to get around.FORCE RECON would only use a few small rubber boats.BUT I would be suspect of anybody that bragged to me they did time in fleet recon right away.

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thanks Saint..

That "writ" comment reminds me of Wayne's Roster.. Remember the "writ, writ for a rat" before John nailed the critter..

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Calm down pallie(my best Dean Martin impression).its a discussion,not an attack
.i had to resort to google foo just to make sure,never know when they might do a changeup in the crotch.after further review i stand by my above statementssss.now you gotta tell MEwhere you got your info.if the Marines are pulling shit behind myback again.....

You know i trained with the small Marine units at Coronado with the seals and rangers maybe i'm fleet recon?they didn't spend much time on giving us name.damn them.

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pallie's..

this whole "deano" thing mean you bought the time life collection again.. Efforts by both "pallies" appreciated, melt down replaced by calm down, alls well that ends well..

No more on this, but the following is to funny not to share..from that other geezer and fellow squid, daisy..

go get drunk, soak your AR15 in oil, shoot your neighbor's cow (NO, NOT HIS WIFE, THE OTHER COW!!) drive your truck to town and burn doughnuts on the main street,
buy 50 packages of Peeps and eat them all in one setting, go to a GSA party in Las Vegas but stay way from the Secret Service party, that'll get you a dose and a divorce

Silver strand beach in Coranado is one of the best places on earth.. The "del" is a slice of history.. One morning years ago i had a "formal" breakfast there, wasn't planed, just sorta happened, if you've never had a formal breakfast (cool cause not that expensive) at a five star restraunt i would suggest the Del Coranado.. Really special, and a memory that i will never forget, oh yeah spot on with the food..Could have sworn i heard the waiter yell "hey big'n need spuds, pig, and egg's" but might have it confused with another joint..

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and NAS NORIS areas. I was aquainted with a few SEALs, real professionals. Kept my boat at the marina just a skosh down from Amphib. The only time I was actually in the Hotel Del I was part of a color guard in which some ol' biddy got bayonetted in her more than ample posterior by my fellow color guarder using an 03 Springfield with a chrome bayonet. She responded, "These Marines won't move for anything". Typical big wheel's wife.
The Silver Strand, great memories!

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I solved this problem by getting 3 guns. I have a beretta 92 fs 9mm, glock 21 sf .45 scoot and a Springfield armory 1911 loaded .45acp. I carry the glock because it holds 13 rounds, power and capacity. I have the 9mm for cheap practice and the 1911 just because. The important thing is to find a gun you can shoot well. One well placed shot beats 15 half ass shots.

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Half ass shots

Well, I think Ron Swanson might've had this in mind when he said "Don't half ass two things, whole ass one thing." I know with my 1911 I'm definitely whole assing it when I squeeze the trigger.

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Coppertop, you said:

"The important thing is to find a gun you can shoot well. One well placed shot beats 15 half ass shots."
Not a whole lot of people in the world that share that point of view with us, right Matt?
I like shooting bullseye targets, ya either do good or ya don't.
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You guys insinuating that any over 8rounds is just spray and pray? I can put 5 more rounds next to the first 8 from any of my hicap guns.sounds like 1911 fanboy banter to me.

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You could shoot bullseye targets with a damn Thompson SMG with a 50rd mag or a Western Auto single shot .22 and whether you are accurate or not will be very obvious. The point is accuracy. No insinuating about it.
Speaking of Thompson SMG, are you thinking about the Machine Gun Shoot in Oklahoma?
http://www.oklahomafullauto.com/index.html
Could be fun.

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Hey Daisy..

I was trying to respond to your last comment and it's somewhere in Eland.. all of a sudden i got a "forbiden" page.. Glad you saw me on.. house is SOLD bro..

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Yippeee! Congrats!!

I've had the Forbidden Page thing a few times tonight. Almost scary, huh? I don't want the CIA catching me at a Forbidden Page LOL!!

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2 years 31 weeks ago, 10:22 AM

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Good to hear. Hope you find the one you want in the metro area : )

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I just lost a PM.. let me try another one to ya buddy..

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Ya think?
I gotta head to bed here in a minute.
BTW, There is not going to be any Lew at the gun auction this next Sunday, 1908 Colt .380 will go to some other fanatic.
I have a hard, fast rule. First, take care of business. Going to the auction and spending $500 would break the rule and like a spoiled brat I'm thoroughly pizzed off at me!! Grownup wins the argument again, dammit.
Oldest G-son said "There'll be more". The kid don't really understand, they are old and in good condition they are becoming rare, I appreciate his empathy though.

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wow.. well yeah your right on everything you said.. and to be honest REAL right on them becoming rare.. Wish you could get it, and not sure you shoudn't.. thing is not that one.. auctions are rarly the place to get good deals.. and if the seller is half smart it's on some form of reserve.. Were i you.. (stella is pleased im not ..promise you that much) i'd start looking at used gun stores.. with you on the piece, i had a Sgt on my shift in Perryville.. Great old boy.. He and the wife traveled, and he actually took a ride on a 12 meter boat.. Anyway his CC piece was a 1908 and while i've never fired it, i've had that two pounds of steel in my hands a number of times and, really like the pistol.. Typical "era" sights, but in all other ways perfect.

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1911 does, oops, fan boy talk :<( LOL
If I did not keep a lid on spending I'd have a room full of gun safes cram packed with collector guns and at least 2 garages packed with really cool cars and wifey spending money on her relatives like as if they liked us.
Stella calls me stingy but she has never in her life had rock solid financial security like she does now.

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Thats great you were able to sell the house.moving forward is good.Dont want you guys thinking i'm knocking 1911s,i have put many 45 downrange in my time starting from age 11 when my dad first took me shooting.he had a 45,then in the Marines i taught other Marines to shoot the 45.the discussion i am looking at is "accuracy or firepower" and i would suggest both can be had from a hicap gun.or an SMG as they are ideally suited to run any IPSC orIDPA course of fire as well.and yes i still have the OK shoot on my calender.when time gets closer i will see if i can get a load going thru there or something.

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starting from age 11..."
Ya got me Lucky, I did not fire one until I was about 14, my Dad gave me one. They were everywhere and cheap, I think we had 5 or so at that time, both 1911s & A1s. G.I. Ammo came in 20rd boxes as if they were packed for the Thompson 20rd mag.
Even though I think the 1911 was near perfect FOR ME it has a lot of drawbacks for others. I said was because I'm having wrist problems, shooting .38 & .45 is getting to be difficult. I need to try a wrist brace.
High capacity guns are good, don't have to stop and reload as often. That's what I like about them.

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Yeah 44mag is all the snap i want.i think you were better off having your own 45
Although my dad,once he showed me how,thought nothing of letting me clean and load the 45 eithout much supervision,we were both lucky.

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My 2¢

I like to play and run my mouth. I like the 1911 b/c I'm more comfortable with it. Even though all ballistics say otherwise, I feel better with the .45ACP.
But it all comes down to this, and this is something I think we all agree with (and if not, you're a commie ;) ):

Practice more. Argue less

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So Moe

We've been discussing this for weeks now, ever since you and I joined in fact. Do you own your gun now?

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sadly i dont the ive been waiting for my fire arms id it takes so long in nj its been 4 months i've been salivating at my local gun store and made friends with the owner. but i got good news my two references got their letters and sent them in already

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Like you're applying for a damn job or something. LOL, New Jersey, no thank you.

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thats what i said lol ive been buging the police chef every few days my friend just waited without saying anything and it took him 9 months

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The spirngfeild xd or xdm 45 gives you 13 +1 alot of big lead flying down range

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i like the xdm but i just want a 1911 for my first hand gun i got to many friends with striker fire guns they are great but i just love the feel of the 1911 think ima fix my fire power problem with a few chip McCormick 10 rd power mags i saw on amazon

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it should be like 2 to 3 weeks and il be a real american...lol the springfield that i want is hard to find and whenever i find it its way over priced so ima go with the sig 1911 i played with one today and it felt really good in my hand

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Springfield 1911

I have an ultra-compact Springfield 1911, awesome gun. No way I'm parting with it. Sorry, Moe.

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So glad that I don't live in NJ. Not very gun friendly are they? It only took 2 months to get my CCW in my state. Just take care once you have it. I know 2 people who lost their respect for the gun and put holes in the wall. Ok, off my soap box. I love my 1911 and you can't go wrong with it. Depending the brand, you may have to have some work done to make it run. If you want it to run right out of the box, get a polymer gun. If I were you, I would shoot several guns and calibers to find the right combo. The 1911 my be the right fit, but is .45 acp? I know several people who can shoot 9mm but have a hard time with 45.

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You misunderstand, he's not waiting for a concealed carry permit, he's waiting for permission to buy the gun in the first place. So, yeah, New Jersey, no thank you.

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i want to stay and fight for gun rights in this state somehow but its really discouraging at times. sometimes i feel like just moving to New Hampshire...lol but hey ive never been one to run from a fight...lol

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Welcome to GUNS LOT what state do you live in? here in florida it's called the gun shine state easy to get,The state got my $$$$$ CWP a while ago and check cleared but to this day I do not have IT and come july mine old one runs out :>(

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Wow, the first gulf war took less time. There you go, join up and serve and may be by the time your tour's up you'll find out if you can enjoy the 2nd amendment or not.

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Missouri, I've had guns all my life but just got the CCW last fall.

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