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I have recently obtained my FOID card and am ready to buy a gun for home protection, and will also need something for target practice. I want something that will allow me to have distance between me and the intruder. I live in IL. Any recommendations for something under $700?

3 years 44 weeks ago, 11:19 PM

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Over all, a Remington 870 which you can switch the barrel out for shooting clays and then put a shorter barrel for tactical use in the home would be best.

Not sure what your Handgun regulations are there exactly....

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 44 weeks ago, 1:30 PM

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I don't think I will be able to handle a shotgun the first time out. I want something that is small but will have a big impact if need be, and I am also not sure about the regulations here in IL.I know currently we are not allowed to carry concealed weapons, and that you are able to have rifles, I would have to check concerning handguns. I was thinking about something by Sig Saur or Smith & Wesson, but not sure which would be better.

3 years 44 weeks ago, 11:19 PM

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Oh and welcome!

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No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 44 weeks ago, 1:30 PM

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Oh, and thank you.

Oh, and thank you.

3 years 44 weeks ago, 11:27 PM

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Mossberg 500 for about $250.00
Leave you enough for a used pistol
if you want one.
Man lots of ways to go but no one
gun will ever do like no one wrench
will ever do.
Tell more what you want to do.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 1:35 PM

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LOL! You have me buying multiple guns before I have even had a chance to learn how to shoot one. I plan on going to the local range for practice, but as I will be purchasing a home soon, I want to make sure that I am able to defend myself against an intruder. The home is a quad-level and in IL you are not allowed to shoot unless you have no other way of escape. I want to be able to stop the intruder before he gets to the top level (sleeping quarters). Therefore, I need something with a light for the dark, and something that will be easy to handle, but will give the most impact. I have heard about S&W and Sig Sauar, as far as names go, but my knowledge is limited beyond that, and I do not want to discuss with family or friends, because I want to keep it private.

3 years 44 weeks ago, 1:54 PM

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They do light up your way but also tell the bad guy
exactly where you are.
That's why a shotgun is always best inside a home.
One thing about a pump gun is if you rack it they
know exactly what you have and will probably be
leaving your home as fast as they can run.
Another thing is learn your home in the dark so you
know exactly where everything is and where someone
could hide if they heard you.
Always know where the kids are and keep everything
away from them.
Burglars don't like noise. Rig the stairs with an alarm.
Do everything you can to keep from having to shoot
anyone, especially in Ill.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 3:07 PM

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Mixed emotions

I can agree to some extent, but I have never even handled a gun, and I am on the petite size. I thought a handgun would be easier to handle.

3 years 44 weeks ago, 3:18 PM

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You are correct, A handgun is a lot easier
to handle but not nearly as effective.
I read you plan on some range time. That's
wonderful. Get some experience. When the
family discovers you do have a gun you want
to demonstrate you have the ability to handle it
safely. Also everyone 15 years old and above
should be familiar with its operation.
All (usually) smaller kids should know to stay
away from it as if it were a fire. Touch it and
get hurt.
It is also a good idea to take the kids out and show
them how destructive a gun can be so they know
to stay away.
It all comes down to TRAINING. for you and the
whole family. MHO

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 3:44 PM

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I tried to add more information, but it keeps coming up as error, so here is what I have added, and that is some great advice.

Mother of two
Married 22yrs this year
Wife of a minister

Former advocate against guns, until son was assaulted and watched how the dynamics of my current neighborhood is changing and worried about the feeling of being powerless.

Will be first gun purchase, but will certainly not be the last.

3 years 44 weeks ago, 3:49 PM

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Please enjoy the site and try to overlook some
of our posted pictures etc. Remember we are
just a bunch of guys and get crazy sometimes

God Bless You and Yours
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3 years 44 weeks ago, 2:01 PM

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Some lights have a strobe function don't know how effective they are or how bright they are

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 3:06 PM

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I thought maybe the light would blind the person and keep them from seeing me. I just want to make sure that I have at least 50ft between me and the other person.

3 years 44 weeks ago, 3:07 PM

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between me and someone , one of us would
be out side

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 3:11 PM

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If I had 50ft

Lol, It's a pretty big house, but once the perp gets up the stairs, for me its fair game.

3 years 44 weeks ago, 3:37 PM

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hobbstaylor I hear you

I know exactly what you are saying BUT
you always want to do the very best you
can to prevent from having to shoot
someone.
I've been there, It's scary but you can
take control of the situation and make them
leave.
I had a fool break in, wanted what ever he could steel
for some drug money. I scared him off. I would say usually
if you are armed and shout as loud as you can they will be
scared off without shooting. An ambush ( shoot when
they reach the top step) might not sit well in court.

You have to protect yourself in many ways.
If someone is in your house and you yell HEY
as loud as you can I would say usually they will be
gone in a second.
I use the word usually but that's not always.
So you have to be ready. If you have confronted
someone in your home and they don't leave
then you may have to defend yourself.
Stay Ready

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 2:18 PM

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Although it is hard to argue with Charles and the logic of the action noise of a pump shotgun scarring people, it also tells people where you are...

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 2:22 PM

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It does tell some one about where you are
but it also tells them they are about to get
their butt blown away.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 2:29 PM

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like I said

It is hard to disagree with your logic...

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 3:16 PM

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shotgun vs handgun

What about reloading, if I miss, I want to be able to take another shot?

3 years 44 weeks ago, 3:24 PM

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all you have to do is pull the fore arm back and forward
to be ready to shoot again. Takes a second.

I would recommend a 20 gauge for your 1st gun.
A 15 year old girl could shoot it without getting
hurt.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 3:42 PM

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I will remain open to it, maybe I will get both, and practice with both.

3 years 44 weeks ago, 4:35 PM

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home defense gun

hobbstaylor wrote:
I will remain open to it, maybe I will get both, and practice with both.

i vote shot gun too, but i would recommended the Remington 870 instead of the mossy 500 , because of its simplicity for a first time user. practice practice practice, its not like the shot guns on the movies ,the patterns are tight, you actually have to be able to aim, not just point and spray.

also i would recommended buck shot or even birdshot will suffice , stay away from slugs, just my opinion based on your lack of experience, slugs can be awfully dangerous due to over penetration.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 4:42 PM

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Remington 870 is a very well proven gun.
I recommended the mossy because of the
expense ($230.00) for a brand new Mossy
with 3 chokes.
I have a Mossy, shoot skeet with it, love it
I keep it loaded with #3 Buck at home.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 5:02 PM

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i bought a mossy 500 cruiser and put every gadget and gizmo on it they make for it kept it for 5 more months and traded it straight across for a stock 870 3" , i dont know what came over me , just felt like trading(it was goose season). nothing bad to say about either. and i haven't looked back on the trade really

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 4:08 PM

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but ill leave the scare tactics to the police, theres nothing defensive about a gun fight. if a crook enters my home, and threatens my family(with his presence alone) he is dead, period.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 4:17 PM

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But as a rule not always, intruders are unarmed
and after what items they can steel.

Yes I know the news paper is full of burglers who
murdered a whole family but 10 times as many
didn't hurt anyone.

My gr grandfather was killed in the alley behind
my grandfathers home by 2 Mexicans with a
ball bat who robbed him.

My grandfather was shot to death in another robbery.

I know there are no rules to go by but you still have
to use common sense and stay in control of any
situation that comes up. No 2 are alike

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 4:22 PM

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i truly understand your point and even admire it, but your a bigger man than me for it. i think the act of entering someones home uninvited , armed or unarmed , is an act worth getting shot for. just my opinion. maybe not if there is no children involved, but if there is, like in my case,its different. that is there home, their sanctuary ,their safe haven , and nobody has the right to take away their peace of mind.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 4:37 PM

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I'm both elderly and disabled.
I have no wish to shoot anyone I can run off.
That in no way means if I need to I wont waste
some useless peace of dog meat

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 4:09 PM

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If you have a problem ask one of the guys
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3 years 44 weeks ago, 4:18 PM

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Not a Problem

I will continue to check in and let everyone know my progress.

3 years 44 weeks ago, 4:31 PM

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hobbstaylor please do

we always enjoy trying to help new shooters

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 4:16 PM

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during a rough divorce

i had as a young specialist living off post at bragg, my wife separated at the time broke in my apartment window when i was sleeping, i called the cops after i made sure it was her. i told him right to his face this is what happened, this is who did it , if it happens again ill shoot her. he said, dead serious, yea thats what id do too, have a good day sir.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 4:33 PM

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has their own ideas but what they say may
go down bad in a court room.
My family is full of cops I know lol

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 4:38 PM

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i agree, kind of a shame people are hesitant to defend their lives because of what a bunch of turkeys will have to say about it afterwards. feel bad for the police officers who lost their lives because of it, it would suck even more when that was your job.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 5:05 PM

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hello,and welcome to the site,i have read thru the posts here and without knowing the entire situation i am going to suggest a few things,take them for what they are worth;

1. make sure the outside perimeter of your home is as Burglar unfriendly as possible,bushs/trees obscuring lower level windows should be cut down or removed,some people actually plant bushs that contain thorns under windows(rose bushs as an example).
2. solar powered exterior lighting to eliminate dark shadow areas around your house.
3. alarm system on doors and windows(even relatively cheap alarms work).
4 Deadbolts at your exterior doors,locks on your windows, a security bar on your sliding glass door.

After you have done as much to protect your home against intruders taking these steps above then you need to move inside and designate one room in your house a "safe room",a safe room should be a last line of defense that all family members can get to quickly or like you said"the top of the stairs",have a land line phone,a cell phone as backup in case the land line is cut,a set of house keys in the safe room with you on a string long enough to reach the ground(to give to any responding cops so they can enter in the front door and clear the house to your "safe room".Keep in contact with the 911 operater the entire time you are going thru this Burglary event).Practice with your children how they are going to get to your "safe room" should you give a prearranged signal,are you going to go get them or they come to you? That is something you will have to work out.

Next get a gun,and a good flashlight,you need to shoot the gun at a range and practice with it,you don't want to try and figure out how to load it when someone is smashing thru your door,learn how to load and make safe at a range,talk to the range officer and he will probably help you out or direct you to a competent person that can give you a gun safety lesson,several sporting goods stores have gun safety classes as well if they handle guns.Some ranges rent guns so you can try out different guns,thats a wise move for anybody considering buying a gun escpecially their first.

So there you have it,if you have done everything to make your home as burglar unfriendly as possible and some punk still breaks in while your home and you have retreated to your safe room with your kids ,and you have gotten your gun out,called 911,and the punk keeps coming then shoot the bastard,no jury in this country is going to find fault with a woman protecting her kids and home from an intruder,even in IL.

My recommendation for a first gun would be .38 S&W over a shotgun,unless you can find a location to practice shooting the shotgun,the second most important part of having a gun is practicing with it,the most important part is handling it safely,neither can be learned if its stuffed in a closet,sorry for the long post,i just went thru this with my college grad daughter so i guess it struck a nerve

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 5:40 PM

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LBC good post

If a hand gun is going to be 1st gun
Lots of practice is necessary under
supervision is all I'm going to add.

And I love a 38 revolver.
Keep it simple.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 5:43 PM

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go to your local shooting range , sign up for thier beginners course. should cost about 125.00 or so. From there you will find what is right for you. you will have a better understanding of what you should get and what you can handle. We can all then give you suggestions on which brands we like and why and you will understand better...you will then understand why Glocks are so ugly.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 5:50 PM

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Glocks!

Glocks are the ugly girl of the gun world.......They are always willing!

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yeah

you never take them out in public, and deny you banged them!!!lololol

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 4:24 PM

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Hey Ebear

You doing good? I haven't seen you jumpin in much lately. Hope things are going good for you.

3 years 44 weeks ago, 5:59 PM

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whats so ugly

about a Glock? or is that Sigs are just so "pretty"???

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Sigs just make

Shitty shooters look prettier! LOL!!

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 10:20 AM

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Suggestion...

Get out of forums and onto the NRA website, look up local certified instructors in your area.

Ask for their background... pick one which is qualified beyond taking one class to become an instructor (military background, law enforcement, those kind of previous work/training is what your looking for)

Tell them you would like the info on what would be the best course of action for you to secure your home and lives of yourself and loved ones.

DO NOT PUT BARS ON YOUR WINDOWS, I do not care who tells you otherwise or what new designs they claim make them safe. When someone does install these, more people burn to death than not, in the event of a fire, because they can not get out and the fire department can not get....

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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Number one, in the close confines of a home, you can miss even with a shotgun. Pistols are harder to master than longarms. I'm the guy who has a Glock with light as my bedside gun and an AR with red dot sight as my primary home defense longarm, but that is more than is needed. Get a shotgun. Mossberg 590, Remington 870, hell, even a double barrel coach type shotgun is fine. You don't need high capacity. The first round goes off, whether you hit or miss, only the most dedicated assailant is going to stick around.

I seriously disagree with racking the slide on a shotgun for intimidation. If you have good reason to believe you have an intruder, you should ensure your family is in one central area and that is your "strongpoint". Call 911, say your adress twice right away, give your name, then give them a quick summary such as "I believe I have an unknown number of intruders in my home. My family is located with me and I have a gun aimed at the bedroom door. I have a spare set of keys attached to a glow stick that I can throw out the bedroom window if the first responders need them". Of course, if you say this, you probably ought to have a spare set of house keys attached to a glow stick. Once that's done, stay on the line (It's recorded), and yell to the intruder(s) that you have called the police, that you are armed, and you are willing to defend yourself and family.

Just about every major ammo manufacturer makes a line of reduced recoil buckshot ammo, or you could go with a 20 gauge. If you are petite, there are also a few different models of youth shotguns that may fit you.

Something you should not do is go looking for them yourself. I, along with most of the regulars on this site am guilty of having done it, and will probably continue to do it when I hear that bump in the night. It's something about defending my own castle, I suppose. I have done enough live building entries and cleared enough structures to tell you it's a scary, stressful, draining thing even as part of a squad of trained soldiers, let alone as an untrained civilian going it alone with family members to worry about.

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