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6 years 5 weeks ago, 9:39 AM

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So how does everyone feel about this?
Everyone loves and respects Former Secretary of State Colin Powell.
So what do you think of it?

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 9:40 AM

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I think it secured this race for Obama!

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I think he is doing it

I think he is doing it because obama's black. I think he wants to see a black president in his lifetime. I wouldn't mind seeing a black or a women prez but when their views are not american it offends me that pple want to go that way. It almost makes me want to cry. Pple in this country are ignorant and want whats best for numero uno, themselves. Its sad really to see the greatest nation and all the sacrifices that this country made, since its birth, go to waste for the greed.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 1:36 PM

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Are you seriously telling me that you think the only reason Colin Powell is supporting Obama is because he is black? You have got to have a lower opinion of Colin Powell then I do.
This is the same type of comment that gets white cops in Detroit fried. He killed the kid because he hates Blacks! Fuck all of you, There can be a cop shooting a hoodrat because he was shooting at him first! Not all Black people are waving fists in the air asking for white blood and screaming "Black Power". Race is not everything all the time and on everyones mind, let it go.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 2:42 PM

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yea

sure its cuz hes black 70 precent of black people are voteing for obama cuz hes black not his views

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 3:22 PM

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So your going to put Colin Powell, one of the most respected figures in the same mix as people who only see color of skin when they vote? Do you even know who he is without googling it?

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colon powwow

yea wasnt he that rapper that sang with puff daddy back in da day

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 3:25 PM

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good for him

i respect the hell out of Colin Powel, I think he saw allot of Bs happening thru the Bush Administration.I also believe he may be getting ready for a run of his own in the future.As an Independant.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 3:30 PM

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I agree

If Powell ran as an Independent I believe he would beat any and all Competitor!! Q: Isn't it true that only one Indy President candidate has actually won? I believe Colin Powell would be the second.
Powell For President!!!

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 8:06 AM

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This has been a lively discussion, and I commend everyone for making it interesting.
You have seen me say, several times before, that Colin Powell would have been a most excellent candidate, compared to the two that the major parties have given us.
If, however, you served your country admirably, and rose to such positions as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Security Advisor to the President, and Secretary of State, but you got hung out to dry by the likes of GW Bush, Dick Cheney and George Tenet, I doubt you would want to serve, any more. I am certain that many tried to convince him to run, but I believe he deserves to be self-protective if that's what he desires to do.
I have to believe, as eBear and Syn do, when we have had enough of the next four years, Powell may very well step up, and say "enough", destiny calls, and I cannot refuse.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 12:50 PM

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Colin Powell

The fact that Mr. Powell has endorsed Mr. Obama is his choice. LLE pointed out some reasons why Colin Powell might choose to support Obama, it might also be true that Powell supports Obama because he is black. Why do we have to second guess this mans credentials? He made a choice, Some will agree, some will not. This is still America where people still have a choice. Mr. Powell gave a press conference explaining why he choose Obama. Only Powell will know the real reasons why he endorsed who he endorsed.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 4:15 PM

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Nor can I refuse to vote for him :)

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 4:24 PM

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Government votes

I'm sure alot of government personell will be voting for O'bama because of his lack of experiance, If you were interested in pushing your own agenda on the people of the nation, who do you want in office someone with a great deal of experiance on someone you can easily direct on the way they should go.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 8:10 AM

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Your Logic........

is somewhat faulty. Lack of experience does not equate to lack of intelligence or lack of vigilance. He will not be easily manipulated.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 5:28 PM

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my opinion

I think Obama is getting allot of votes from people who have had 8 years of discust.People are tired of the same old lies made by money grubbing politicians. So they're not excatly voting for Obama but against the incumbant party.History is repeating itself. Just like how Reagan got his landslide win over Jimmy Carter.And that turned out pretty good don'tcha think?

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Hey syn

Not to throw a monkey wrench into your love fest for Colin Powell...but not everyone loves him! LLE points out that Colin Powell was thrown under the bus by Bush and Cheney...but, let's say that's exactly what happened. They threw Powell under the bus and he went into the UN and stated outdated information and argued for WAR. Well, last time I checked, he was not in the US Army, therefore, I do believe he had a choice. If really thought it was a bad idea and thought he was being used...why didn't he simply resign? Was his position that important, that he would knowingly present bad information in support of a war he didn't support and believe in? Just saying.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 9:56 PM

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an excellent set of questions. Yes he had a choice. No one was holding a gun to his head. He was presented with the whole panoply of intelligence [most of which became known after the fact as distorted or faulty], and despite his own State Department experts questioning quite a bit of it, Powell chose loyalty to the administration as opposed to resigning. He believed that in staying, he could continue to countervale against the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz superhawks.

In retrospect Powell refers to this debacle as a "painful" "blot" on his record. Colonel Larry Wilkerson, Powell's Aide-de-Camp, stated in a PBS interview that they had regretably participated in a hoax on the people of the United States.

IMHO Powell spent the rest of his term being steam rollered by the superhawks, and also finally realizing that Bush had long ago made up his mind that the PNAC doctrine was correct and had to be implemented. After trying unsuccessfuly, for the last time to convince Bush not to invade, Powell tendered his resignation. His vision of what was happening inside Iraq, and what we could do or not do about it was remarkably accurate, despite those who are swallowing the "success" of the "surge". -----A civil war that we cannot put down nor impress OUR value system on-------a debacle that we can try to put a lid on, so as not to allow it to spill over and inflame the middle east even more.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 6:13 PM

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Well I have to ask...This is hypothetical I guess,
If you were the "good guy" in a company of evil(once again, this is not saying he is supreme good and the government is a big villian. Just a generalization) would quiting change that company or would you stay and try to fix things? Do you see what I'm getting at?

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 9:59 PM

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See above for my look at it.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 10:02 AM

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He did quit though

...don't you think, based on how he was "steamrolled", that he should have been smart enough to know that he wouldn't change things. If it were me, I know for sure (100%), that to stay would be totally useless. The best course of action would have been to resign immediately...I can only speak for me. But I would never have been part of that, ever...I HAVE NEVER nor will I ever support something I totally disagree with and no way would I ever go on to brief folks and lie...ever! I don't lie, I never lied and I will never compromise myself like that. I guess it comes down to integrity for me. I have integrity and I know I would not have done it, no matter the consequences. I would have simply resigned and went public with what I knew. The media, who never liked Bush anyway, would have eaten it up...they would have had a better chance of stopping things, then Powell would while working for the guys who were "steamrolling" him. In my book, that's the worst possible choice...to stay and try to change a large corporation from the inside with no outside pressure...

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 2:15 PM

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See, now thats the

See, now thats the difference. I have been in this situation(not nearly as drastic or on such a big scale...but same concept) and I felt a duty to others and self to stay in th fight. I think this is why I have loved the Marine Corp so much...We can be on our backs with a nail file against 10 Muther fuckers and we are going to find a way to kill as many as possible and finish the objective. I think some people do there best work when cornered in a unless situation. While he might not of changed peoples minds. His opposing opinions and realistic views could still keep them in check for the most pat...don't you agree?

P.S. I am pretty sure you have lied at least once. ;)

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 10:42 AM

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I presume........

the contents of that posting is your opinion.
It is my belief that Powell's value system, and what he felt was his duty as a change agent, differs from yours quite considerably. Yours appears to be, "give up the fight", and "cover your own ass". It sounds as though you know the totality of the dynamics of the situation, but the reality obviously is your position is merely "second guessing". I beleve, at the very least, to label Powell a liar, which you did above, belies a rigid, holier than thou, and uncharitable approach to the situation. He saw the battle to be fought, and approached it vigorously, even in the face of being told by the "Dark Prince"[Cheney] that he needed to "go fall on his sword".[It is rumored, by the way, that he told Cheney to perform an [unnatural] sex act upon himself]. What the media would have done had Powell broken the story, is pure conjecture on your part. The Administration, IMHO, more probably would have concocted a beauty of a plausible denial story, like the many which came before that juncture.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 2:19 PM

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IMHO? huh?

What does IMHO stand for? Imma take a stab at it...In My Honest Opinion?

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 3:00 PM

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OR....

if you are like me--"In MY HUMBLE Opinion" LMAO!!!

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I live my life simply...I am honest, 100% and I value integrity, family, my country. In that situaion, where I am asked to do something I have serious issues with, MY decision, based on MY values leads me to make decisions easily, I would not have even hesitated. If you think that constitutes me giving up, then I have nothing to add. Your views, will never override my values, in any way.

When I write, "I can only speak for me", then yes, that is my opinion....that's why I wrote it in the first place, so you asking me if this is my opinion is strange.

You say I called Powell a liar...quite frankly that is total bullshit!
I never said Powell was a liar...I merely stated that I would never lie, if I knew it was a lie, I wouldn't support it. I don't know what Powell knew...nor do you. I simply added my two cents and stated how I would have handled things, it has nothing to do with you or Powell or Bush or Cheney...

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 11:27 AM

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Hi Jack,
I agree with you whole heartedly. I do believe that LLE is a dissenter and is trying to twist our words. By twisting he is trying to shut us up. Well guess what, It isn't going to work. Keep up the good fight.
See my reply to him in Comments. LLE about 6 minutes ago.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 11:25 AM

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and no way would I ever go on to brief folks and lie UNQUOTE

"Total bullshit"??? What are we to believe you implied by that statement??

I have no interest in overiding your values.

What was the objective of your posting?[..."it has nothing to do with 'you' or Powell or Bush or Cheyney"]

Would you like us to participate in a poll about Powell's perception of reality and what he felt was his duty at the time??

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 11:32 AM

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Colin Powell

I no longer trust Colin Powell's judgement. I think it is just sour grapes on his part for his trials & tribulations that he had with the Bush administration. Just retire General and enjoy whats left of your life. Don't try to legitamize Obama's existence, because I think it will backfire on you and hopefully Osama bin Biden. No jokes here LLE for you to decipher...
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6 years 5 weeks ago, 9:58 AM

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are directed to Colin Powell, I doubt that he heard you.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 2:22 PM

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samD wrote:
I no longer trust Colin Powell's judgement. I think it is just sour grapes on his part for his trials & tribulations that he had with the Bush administration. Just retire General and enjoy whats left of your life. Don't try to legitamize Obama's existence, because I think it will backfire on you and hopefully Osama bin Biden. No jokes here LLE for you to decipher...
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Sam, I agree. I no longer trust him either. It is understandable his feeling betrayed by the Bush Administration, but it is another thing to totally ignore Obama's position of things of a military nature, which Powell should know better.
Now, with regard to blacks supporting Obama, As of October 22, polls indicate as many as 90% of blacks now support Obama. Would that not be interpreted as having possibly a racial motive? If 90% of all white's indicated a preference for McCain, I would centainly think race might just have something to do with it.

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I heard 3 radio interviews done on the streets of NY, the Bronx, I believe. They asked 3 people, very obviously black by their patois.
Question was, do they support Obama's running mate, Sara Palin and if they agreed that we should stay in Iraq indefinately until it is won.
All 3 agreed that Sara Palin was a fine VP for him and agreed with his stance on Iraq. All three questions were anti Obama and his running mate. I was laughing my butt off. And these people vote! Isn't that scary?
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if that is true, that is very scary

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 2:50 PM

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Reaper I don't make this stuff up. It is as true as I heard it. I have no reason to be like the democrats and just lie to you! I swear to God...

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Howard Stern

samD is correct. Howard Stern sent out a guy to ask people who they were voting for. If they said Obama, the interviewer was directed to ask questions from the Republican platform to see if the voters knew the issues, or were voting for the man.
"Are you against stem cell research?"
"With surge in Iraq working how long should the troops stay in Iraq, until the job is done?"
Do you support Obama's choice of Sarah Palin as his Vice President?"

There were others and I admit they were leading questions, but if you have been paying the smallest amount of attention to media anywhere with telecommunications, I would think the Sarah Palin question would be suspect.

Howard was trying to illustrate that people were tired of the Bush Presidency and would vote for someone that was not a Republican. The issues did not matter to these people.

I think he did a fair job.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 11:46 AM

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Well, samD.......

I am about to surprise you. I do not approve of Powell's endorsement of Obama. But, everyone is subject to error in judgment, including Powell.
At the very least, it was a political blunder, if Powell had any political ambitions for the future.

I do not understand how Osama bin Laden got into this discussion, but as the Muslim Extremists and Islamo-Terrorists often say, "may the fleas of his camel have fleas".

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 11:59 AM

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Well, LLE

Re-read it. It is not Osama bin Laden, it is Osama bin Biden. For the humor challenged.

6 years 5 weeks ago, 5:11 PM

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a warped and tortured mind would conceive of distorting the name of a good citizen of the USA, and call it "humor", let alone publish such a despicable, picture.

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You consider Barrack Hussein Obama a good citizen? That in itself is very telling. If that was to whom you were referring to. Read Mrs Obama's thesis that you can find on-line. I am getting very reticent to trust your judgement on anything.

6 years 5 weeks ago, 1:44 PM

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Are you...

suggesting that Obama would be controlled[good or bad] by what his wife 's thinking is?

and NO, I was talking about Joe Biden.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 6:06 PM

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Powell is supporting Obama because of race. Powell disagrees with almost all of Obamas fundamentals. Powell has been a responsibility free market guy his whole life.
Lets make a clear connection, Republicans are always painted as racist rich people however, no party has apponted more minorities to cabinet positions, judges to federal courts.
When a black republican runs for office, he is an uncle tom in the media perception.
This has been powell, gonzalez, Justice thomas and rice's label.
Powell wants to preserve his legacy.
Again, I believe in a persons character and values, not his color/race. If I learned anything in the military it was to respect all people.
But as a white male, I feel no guilt of what happened in the past. I never disrespected anyone who did not start the problem.
I have been screwed by affirmative action. I have seen women get stripes, minotities get commissions because they had a quota.
But for the presidency....just wrong. No first term white senator would ever had been considered....what do you think?

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 7:21 PM

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Are You Saying.....

that the Democrat party had a quota for a black candidate? Are you saying that no black voters voted for Hillary in the primaries? This makes no sense, at least to me, and I have been working with Affirmative Action principles, since Executive Order 11246 was created to govern employment opportunities among federal government contractors.
The selection of a candidate for political office, as far as I can tell, has never had any governing regulations as regards any protected class group.

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What I am saying is the media, democratic party and the leftist end of America want a Black President. The media has given this guy many passes, that would not have been granted to a white candidate.
examples include: 1. experience- he does not have any experience. the media has critisized palin (not that I care), but she has more government experience.No media outlet has brought this up.
2. His voting record is horrible. The majority of his votes have been present. He began running for president as soon as he became a senator. The media and his own party has given him a pass.
3. He denies wanting to ban firearms and stated he supports the second amendment. He changed his stance during his presidential run after figuring out he could not take many rural staes while being a hardcore anti-gunner. While in the Il senate, he specifically proposed legislation to limit firearms and tax ammunition in order to stop firearm ownership. Media gives him a pass.
4. He is very socialist in his thinking for which the media defends him.
5. I am in New York, very liberal. All the comments I hear dwell with the 'historic' importance of an african american president. Not the tax policy, social policy or foreign policy. No one should get passes like this.
What I am saying is that a white politician with his record would never get this far. His resume sucks. He is a rock star, not a president. I guess thats what you need to get elected.
If Bush had said 'invade pakistan' the news would crush him, play the sound bite over and over again. Think about the pass he's getting. If Mcain and a background like Obama's would he have been nominated? Would the media give him a pass. If Hillary Clinton had been nominated, would the poll data be as skewed?
What cha think?

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 12:39 AM

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I will not vote for Obama, nor will I vote for McCain. But, as I have said before, I do not want disinformation or misinformation to effect the campaign.

1)No, your statement is incorrect. He DOES have experience, both as an Illinois legislator, and for two years in the US Senate. Note that I did not say that that experience IMO, qualifies him for the Presidency. But if you are going to convince people, you need to be rational and credible, rather than emotional and inaccurate. Whether or not Palin has more or less experience is a matter of opinion, since we do not have a Presidential job description, complete with a function/task analysis which would yield QUALIFICATION STATEMENTS to measure both against. Re Media, your criticism does not appear to be accurate. I will give you One citation to look at, and you can do followon research if you truly want to back up your media indictment.It's a long one.
www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,O,
6802141.story [Do not leave out this tail end]
2) I researched his US Senate voting record. There is not one "Present" vote. On the sample I examined, there were 59 NOVOTES,60 Yes's and
18 No's. The rest followed similar proportions, except that the number of NOVOTES decreased quite a bit and thus the yes's and No's increased.
This spanned literally several hundred pieces of legislation.
3) I do not believe he is a faithful proponent of the Second Amendment.
4) You did not define what you mean by "socialist", so I cannot comment. The term is highly emotion filled. As regards the media--see #1 above.
5)If "all the comments you hear" represent a statistically significant size population, your criticism might be valid. But, I am certain it is not, nor probably were the comments collected by an impartial observer!!
The rest of your message is conjectural opinion, not subject to proof or refutation, but it is apparent you know the answers to those questions!!

What I hear is a person who thinks himself screwed by Affirmative Action, and bitter enough to form an emotional set of conclusions that do not apply to this country's method of selecting candidates. It would be like me saying McCain is the AGE Discrimination candidate: the Media, the Republicans and the far right conservatives want a White Anglo Saxon Protestant, who is 72 years old and behaves like he is 85, has NO Executive branch experience, and yet, repeats and repeats and repeats "trust me, I know how to do it"; and the Media and the establishment continually apologize for him and give him passes on every gaffe, when he offers no methodology, just because he is AGED. A younger candidate with his record would never get this far!! ETC,ETC,ETC.

Not pretty, and not very logical.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 10:51 PM

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I can live with the first part of your arguement. But to say Mcain has gotton passes over the these issues is wrong. Every 'gaff' he has commited has been reenforced by meida. His record is incredibile. From Viet Nam to present. How can you argue with with expereince? Calling it an age descrimination issue is like saying you want a fresh pilot outof training to lead your team, not the old pilot who has seen battle after battle.
I guess your right with my emotional position because I fear for our safety, military future and financial disposition. My life experiences with democrats cutting military, weakening security (CIA cuts in '90's) and anti-gun groups (from NY) strike a reflex. But Obama has confirmed many of my concerns in speeches and debates.
Now, I benefitted with the Bush tax cuts. I make just under 70K which makes me low middle class in NY. I listened to Clinton say the same arguments in the 90's and my taxes increased for the working class. When democrats speak of the middle class it seem to be a income of 20k. During clinton I could not deduct student loan interest becuase I made too much (30k) back then. They paint a picture of helping the middle class but structure the rewards for rewards non productivity.
Also, lets be clear, the economy was not that good in the 90's. The unemployment numbers, GDP and mean income is a percentage of inflation.
The media would have us believe the economy was booming. Sure, if you were wealthy, investing in psuedo tech stocks, it was.
What do you think?
I will research the obama voting record...

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 11:37 PM

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what you said I said about McCain. Look carefully at the words that precede those sentences. Those are important words that reflect my difficulty with YOUR complaint----

"It would be like me saying".... in other words, what would you think, if you saw the [hypothetical] complaint that I described[for the sake of the discussion]. For me, your complaint is no more rational, than my [hypothetical] complaint, which says the media, the Republican party, and the far right end of America want an AGED candidate.
Scholarly examinations of "media" content during this campaign have fairly concluded, it is either a "draw" or is slightly biased TOWARD the Republicans. No individual reader or viewer can begin to examine the volume of material that these reasonably unbiased researchers have.
Take a look at that L.A. Times site.
You may have entirely valid concerns about Obama, and what he has declared about issues of great concern to you. I will not argue any of them with you. However, to lay the possible outcome of the election at the feet of the media WANTING a black candidate, belies a lot of anxiety, but very little, if any fact.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 9:48 AM

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What are you smoking? What media are you watching, reading or being controlled by? The Media in the US by their own admission is 70 to 80% Democrats. What the hell is wrong with you? You are spinning some very untrue garbage. McCain has not gotten a pass on anything, that I have seen. Remember your words, "prove it!" So prove it or it is just your Demo appeasement spinning...

6 years 5 weeks ago, 12:31 PM

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LOOK

at the research. Start with the LA Times article.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 10:01 AM

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I still say that I never said Powell lied...ha, that's the bottom line for me. I like Powell, I always have, but since someone else stated that he was sent to the UN to lie/deceive or whatever, I just commented, that if I was in that position I wouldn't have done it. As far as syn comparing a firefight with the only weapon being a nail...well, quite frankly, I don't get it...but I digress. What I said clearly, I would have fought that battle differently...for God's sake Powell could have resigned and ran against Bush! That would have even been better. I have been in the position of being asked to do something I didn't agree with...I always founnd ways around it! Powell was in a unique position back then...high profile, black Secretary of State, he was respected and well-liked. Yet he walked into the UN and gave the party line to the American people. All I simply believe is if he actually thought it was total bullshit, he could have refused...he could have resigned, if he wanted to stay and try to fight from the inside, he could have had someone else brief it...someone who actually believed it...there were numerous other ways to handle it if he actually believed it was all bullshit...but maybe (and I don't know) he believed it enough to brief it.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 10:22 AM

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Respectfully.......

you just do not seem to get it. The discussion was an interesting inquiry into the dynamics of the situation, and Powell's motivation.
It was not about what you would or would not have done in such a situation. At the very least, that would be called a partial hijack of the thread.
If you would want to turn the focus on Powell and THAT situation, instead of yourself, I think that would be an interesting extension of the thread, if you would like to do that. Just a thought.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 1:26 PM

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The only one trying to make this so deep is your over taxed brain. We have friendly and sometimes heated debates. Your imperious fecundity is amazing to me. We obviously don't have your superior mind or schooling. I get what you are trying to do and you sir are the one we will henceforth ignore. Your words are falling on deaf ears and I hope all will just ignore you!

6 years 5 weeks ago, 2:00 PM

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I am pleased and honored that you have positively evaluated my brain, and proclaimed my brilliance. I would suggest, however, that it is not over taxed, nor is my profound intellect directed toward domination of anyone. It IS "amazing" though, is it not? LMAO. I suggest, also, that you are not in a position to indict the intelligence of others in this Community. Most of our members appear to exhibit very high general and practical intelligence, and they are very worthy intellectual opponents.
Could you share with us all, what you believe I am "trying to do", and why that is worthy of my being "ignored"?
I AM sorry to read that you have lost your hearing. Be of good cheer, however: Medical science is performing some real miracles these days.

Keep Hope Alive!!

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 2:04 PM

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You still have NEVER answered a question posed to you. You are a great tap dancer also. I am sure they taught you in that Liberal Arts College you worked in. You are just a Democratic hack.
I have not lost my hearing, just tuning out your Democtratic/Liberal swill.

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