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1 year 33 weeks ago, 9:11 AM

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It looks like seventy years or so, has at least changed the face of warfare strategies and tactics. Now we have stateless entities being armed with reasonably destructive weapons, and striking us with seeming impunity. We have had US airline vehicles used as missiles, against a major US city, murdering thousands of US civilians. We have had hundreds of US Marines murdered/maimed in their barracks buildings, and we have had US diplomatic facilities attacked, and US State Department personnel murdered.

Arguably, Pearl Harbor "happened" partially, because of very poor internal communications, complacency, underestimating the enemy and incompetent defense/intelligence operations. IMO, we could substitute the names Beirut, 9/11 and Benghazi for "Pearl Harbor" in the previous sentence and still be correct.

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START TO PAY ATTENTION TO LESSONS PAINFULLY INFLICTED ON US!?
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO ADDITIONAL LESSONS, THAT PROBABLY ARE BEING, OR HAVE ALREADY BEEN PLANNED TO BE EVEN MORE PAINFULLY INFLICTED UPON US!?
I do not want another "Pearl Harbor" in the form of US Cities [or for that matter cities of our allies] disappearing in a nuclear mushroom cloud.
We must demand much more from our federal government than compulsive, continuing arguments over taxation/deficit spending, the national debt, and medical care, when very few of us may be living to enjoy the "solutions" to those problems.

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1 year 33 weeks ago, 9:21 AM

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You bring up valid observations, but without a constructive vision to follow, "we" will remain at the mercy of repeating history I am afraid.
Surely, as you wrote this post, you had thoughts on how to curtail or even prohibit the lack of attention paid to these historical lessons.

What do you propose "we" do about it?

clint

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1 year 33 weeks ago, 6:57 PM

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I was asking myself the same valid question, as I tried to decide where to end the above diatribe. You undoubtedly sensed a good deal of frustration on my part. I cannot offer a CONSTRUCTIVE vision, until I am able to deal with the significant frustration which yields significantly aggressive thinking, on the order of "kill them all and let G-D sort it out"----not a very realistic, rational approach.

I am trying to think outside the box, and perhaps develop a different paradigm. It starts from [my] realization that worldwide jihad [perhaps better called the Muslim revolution] has a primary objective to eradicate Israel/the Jews, but covertly, also. to eradicate the USA&friends, including all Christians. THAT is one large bunch of humanity. If I begin to work backwards from there, I begin to see a concept like "Fortress America" or "Fortress Europa" emerging, but not in the previous passive sense. If we were to see this as a primary existential threat, and we "know" financially supported, stateless WMD-militarized entities will be enabled to attack on a worldwide, perhaps synchronized basis, then we must create a more sophisticated, proactive "fortress": all-seeing, all-sensing, all knowing and all prepared to violate traditional judeo-christian values related to the sanctity of life.

The national debt, and budget deficit problems therefore must recede, in favor of survival.
As they taught us in graduate school, "I could be wrong".

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33 weeks 1 day ago, 5:47 PM

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This Saturday is the 72nd anniversary of "the day that will live in infamy". When I look at the world of 1941, I see that the USA was faced with potential mid-term threats in Europe and in the far Pacific. Our international paradigm was an antiquated, cautious isolationism and blindness to the necessity of building our own defense and intelligence capabilities. Hence, we got the Nazi conquest of most of Europe, and the Japanese Empire expansion into China and Pacific countries large and small, plus threats to Aussie/Kiwi land--and ultimately, the "Pearl Harbor" attack.

It does not take a genius to Monday-morning quarterback how stupid and inept we and our "allies" were. We underestimated, we appeased, our allies appeased, and we were quickly and savagely thrust into a fight for the survival of the "free world". If you are among those who believe FDR contrived to get us into WWII---IMO we did not need FDR's manipulation. Our ineptitude, our blind adherence to the antiquated isolationist paradigm almost guaranteed the intervention of "Murphy's Law". A good practical example of the trickle-down of such stupidity is inside the story of the attack on Pearl Harbor---the Army had received a full working prototype of the SCR-270 Surveillance RADAR, which was treated as some newfangled idiot machine. That system saw the Japanese air armada approaching from about 140 miles surveillance distance. That report was discounted as an anomaly and later erroneously declared a flight of B-17 bombers expected to land at Oahu. [Note: we had no electronic IFF(Identification Friend or FOE) even though such devices were well within our capability.] That RADAR intelligence, if treated as a real potential threat, would have given our forces at least 30 minutes of preparation time to mount an interception, by our P-40's and other combat aircraft on Oahu. And the carrier Enterprise, steaming back from Wake Island, could have launched their own intercept squadrons, much earlier than they were able to. Instead, our forces were decimated

So--what does that have to do with OUR near term future?? Obama's international paradigm is built upon APPEASEMENT. Apparently, if we kiss enough butts and spread around enough ever-weakening US$$, everyone will love us and do our bidding. We just signed an agreement with Iran, which got us and our allies nothing, but gave Iran a practical guarantee of becoming a nuclear [weapons] power. Are we going to look the other way, when they begin their Middle East hegemony and expungement of Israel??

OR--ARE WE GOING TO WAIT FOR Ayatollah Khamenei's offer of the "Peace of Saladin";
......."accept Islam, OR ELSE" ? I am sure you understand what "or else" means.

IMO--THIS TIME, WE had better be the surprise attackers. We better be proactive. I realize that philosophy seems to violate all of the precepts of our Judeo-Christian value system; however we have been given the scientific capability to help insure our own and the free world's existence and survivability, without the murder of a whole nation. Indeed,some religious people may see it as a Devine intervention. [The commandment from original Hebrew, is THOU SHALT NOT MURDER]. In a sense, this scientific capability is another sanction----an ULTIMATE sanction that says you have one more opportunity to join civilization. "If you elect to continue on your present path, we will have no choice, (considering self- defense and preservation and the greater good of world peace). We will return your sovereign country to stone age functioning, so that you will no longer be a viable threat to the world, and you will be isolated from the rest of the world. We will be pleased to discuss the terms further, at your convenience, but no later than[insert a date certain]. Be advised we are on our highest Defense Condition alert, and we are watching you, very carefully."

It took me a year to come to that conclusion--for good or not so good. We have to bust another antiquated, dangerous paradigm that the international "reputation" of the USA as a leader, will be severely damaged as it was in intervening in Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Tunisia, etc.

NO MORE POROUS BORDERS
NO MORE"UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS"
NO MORE KISS BUTT DIPLOMACY
NO MORE APPEASEMENT
NO MORE SUPPORT FOR EFFETE UN BS
NO MORE GLOBAL JIHAD
The USA must speak clearly, unequivocally, and unambiguously and be prepared to support its international policies and value systems with actual action......Speak wisely and clearly and make certain that tyranny, wherever found, will be eradicated.

For Clint: I regret I could not do better......................................................LLE

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33 weeks 1 day ago, 4:00 PM

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Well said.

But this White House gang knows no better....on so many levels.

The complete disdain the Iranians and Russians feel for the US is so slowly becoming apparent to even the most hardened Democrat. This choker holding the reins is on a one way trip, his ego trip.

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33 weeks 1 day ago, 6:06 PM

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but on second thought, it is not difficult to understand. They both have a similar/mutual goal--to emasculate the USA and get us out of the way so that plans for worldwide control can be accomplished. But in the end, the Russkies may regret the transfer of nuclear technology and hardware, as will probably the North Koreans.
It may sound melodramatic, but I believe our next two elections will seal our near term fate as a nation, both domestically and internationally.
Thanks for the compliment.........

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33 weeks 1 day ago, 6:12 PM

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What you've described is what I've been calling the "pussification of America", albeit much more eloquently.

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33 weeks 15 hours ago, 1:50 PM

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particularly eloquent --you know, just blurt it out and see what happens. Not to be PC--but I really like those of the anatomically female persuasion a lot, so I would not use the term you suggested even though I understand and agree with your meaning.

I would use the term "wussification", which I believe conveys the same general meaning.

;^))

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33 weeks 1 day ago, 8:58 PM

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These are some strange times my friends, when I don't see any outrage from either party, I start to wonder what is really going on.

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33 weeks 15 hours ago, 1:31 PM

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the extension of the "me generation" value system, into Congress.

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33 weeks 12 hours ago, 4:26 PM

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I dread the day when we will be able to look back and pin-point the moment we no longer were a free people.

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32 weeks 6 days ago, 11:20 AM

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Max, LLE

I think we are all on the same page on this one. Max, I would say that date was November 4, 2008.

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32 weeks 6 days ago, 3:18 PM

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Perhaps the more important date might be the date we began to regain our freedom.

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32 weeks 6 days ago, 8:52 PM

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Point taken, that is the better way to look at it.

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32 weeks 5 days ago, 1:44 PM

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as our founders demonstrated, so long ago in conflict with the British, ACTION, will be necessary, to emphasize the point that the government, henceforth will belong to the PEOPLE.

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32 weeks 5 days ago, 3:38 PM

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Who will be the first people they try to silent, it is easy, anyone with a gun

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32 weeks 5 days ago, 9:40 PM

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those who wield a painful pen.

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