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3 years 48 weeks ago, 10:35 AM

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Very proud of my ex-son in law. He has taken my 3 Grandchildren to Dr Piazza's Front Sight Training. They are in Vegas as we speak. Thank You Brian.

3 years 48 weeks ago, 11:13 AM

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lucky them

I get the emails but not the $$$ to go lol

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 11:33 AM

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Front Site has a hell of a setup and there is so many difrferent areas of training open to anyone who shows up.

Still thinking about getting a Legacy Membership with them, though I want to move out that direction and get the hell off this Sandbar before that.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 48 weeks ago, 2:49 PM

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hey shooooooooooooot

Ishootdaily wrote:

Still thinking about getting a Legacy Membership with them, though I want to move out that direction and get the hell off this Sandbar before that.
Do like me am trying to move to CO ............TY

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 1:24 PM

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on firearms handling are well worth the time and effort to get there and participate. Even moreso, if you are attending under one of Piazza's specially priced certificates.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
3 years 48 weeks ago, 2:29 PM

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opposing opinion

I actually did not enjoy their classes. I learned more about legal issues than firing instruction. There was not enough instructors per student in my opinion. 30 students and 3 instructors. They use the "buddy" system, so if you get a good buddy, you are golden. I have also seen a huge difference in instructor quality and knowledge the times I have been there. From outstanding to did she just muzzle herself again?
There was an almost lackadaisical mood on the firing line. I paid good money to be there, if people want to socialize, they should not take the class. Of course the optimist in me decided that the raise in blood pressure from the rudeness was good for my training...

I have not taken any skill building classes yet due to financing so I can not comment on those courses.

clintbo

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 10:54 AM

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a function of degraded instructor performance. In my experience, the environment was rigorously business-like. There was no socialization, and while the instructors did not behave like DI's, they were crisp and demanding, and expert at subtly escalating pressure through to the end. The instructor to student ratio was somewhat thin, but that did not bother either my wife or me, since we conspired to be very demanding of the instructors, as required. All instructors rose to our demands admirably, showing no impatience or frustration, under fire [pardon the pun]. I am surprised that you did not enjoy the experience.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
3 years 48 weeks ago, 4:16 PM

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LLE,
I know I am in the minority. I have friends and colleagues that have attended numerous classes and have all been impressed. I am still planning on taking classes there, I have just lowered my expectations a lot. I am more interested in taking civilian classes at other establishments like Gunsite, Trinity, or Magpul to see how they compare. I also see the genius in Dr. Piazza's sermon. He is using firearms to leverage real estate.
The only experiences I can comment are the ones I experienced. For me, they averaged lower than what I thought a destination training resort should have provided.

Wes Lahuillier's lecture series is worth the price of admission for first time gun owners and carry concealed permit holders.

clint

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 4:27 PM

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I haven't been to front sight..(disclaimer)
But the thought of having a claim to property in what is possibly soon to be the gun friendliest county in the nation don't sound bad. A guy might want to be there when SHTF.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 7:06 PM

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Front Site really isn't something I want instruction from on how to shoot.

I can shoot anything you put in my hands, damn well too.

The shooting from a Helicopter on stationary and moving targets is something I would like to do.
Team tactics, shoot house, night fire in shoot house and such. They have the money and have spent it on some of the best equipment and facilities going, that is what I see when I think of it...

Hell, I can go shooting machine guns, 50's and down out to 1000 yards, shoot n scoot all I like here without going anywhere or spending loads of money to do it.

But damn me, I don't know anyone with a Chopper that will let me shoot out of it or a range that will let me do it evev if Paul would let me throw a sling in his Helicopter, all the local departments have gotten pissy about liability so no civies in their shoot houses either... *pout*

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 48 weeks ago, 7:35 PM

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and I am certainly not second-guessing yours. I agree that looking at different training orgs is a good idea. I am reviewing some at present, on the M4Carbine site. There are some goodies that are much closer geographically, and less expensive also. I am a poor novice with the M4, so that probably will be the first course I will take.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
3 years 48 weeks ago, 8:01 PM

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how you doing this eve? What little I do know about front sight raises red flags to me. When this first popped up I didn't recognize it until I searched it. Then I remember this guy from jut about every gun mag I had. I trust my gut, and my gut tells me there is something fishy with this.
Having said that, the online community had mixed reviews about it. Some say it's a scam, some say it's a great training course. Like most things, I imagine the truth is somewhere in between.
But I did read a few opinions from some that seemed trustworthy that, while this guy is definitely a salesman and some of the marketing seems "scam-ish" and like pyramid schemes, the course and its instructors of worthwhile.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 4:46 PM

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When one looks at the tortured history of the business organization, as driven by Piazza, one sees continual strife, several law suits, a questionable restructuring, and yet little decisiveness by the courts. With all that has gone on, there is very little complaint about the training facilities or the training, itself. { I was surprised at Clint's evaluation, above}. While it is a long trip for me, if I were travelling out West, and had some of his discounted certificates, I would definitely return for more coursework. But, as I said to Clint, above, there are lots of really good offerings much closer for me, and at very reasonable prices.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
3 years 48 weeks ago, 7:26 PM

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Without knowing everything that has transpired with Dr. Piazza and his legal troubles I can only comment that developing land is often precipitated with lawsuits. Land developers usually add money to the estimated cost of the project for lawsuits.

When I attended the Instructor development course, we had to sign a lot of legal documents protecting Front Sight's intellectual property and of course hold harmless agreements.

I think most of the lawsuits if not all of them are settled at the moment. I have heard they have expanded their next phase. I do not know Piazza has changed his plans for the development due to financing and/or lawsuits, but if he can complete what I saw, it will be a real nice destination resort: Hotel, airstrip, private homes, bigger pro shop, etc.

clint

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 9:15 PM

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have you checked out the Sig Academy? I don't know how much time Bruce Gray spends there with Grays Gun up an running full tilt, but. I would really like to spend some time with him on the range.

LFI is also an option...

So many choices so little money... ack.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 47 weeks ago, 12:35 PM

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One interesting law suit involved three[ as I remember it] life members whose cause of action was that Frontsight/Piazza failed to deliver on any promises, except class offerings, and the implication was that there were no signs of good faith efforts on the things you mentioned. The Ponzi-type operation allegations resulted from the apparent periodic need for cash infusions, when the financial going got tough. Some of techniques have included discounting membership level costs to join, after others have paid many thousands of $$ more for the same level, and a continual periodic run of "specials" for course certificates as low as $100 for a "$2000" course. Strange and wonderful stuff!!

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
3 years 48 weeks ago, 3:13 PM

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I'd like to go to a magpul dynamics class. I just disagree with the far hand holding rifle stance they use, you look like an idiot and its uncomfortable

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 1:50 PM

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Do not need them

I am with Clint & Isd & a few more, just making money today, big deal? JLC

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