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6 years 15 weeks ago, 7:28 AM

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Comparing the Front Sight Four Day Defensive Handgun Course with the average Concealed Carry Permit course, is like comparing a tough Bachelors college program with kindergarten.
If you are going to attend, either the 2 day or 4 day FS courses, be prepared to work your backside to the nubbies. We were up at about 0dark30, arrived at the site at about 0700 or so [driving distance from Pahrump about 20 miles], so that we could get some free coffee or hot chocolate, and then do "Dry Practice" before the official school day began at 0800. The instructors were there to control the range, just as they did for normal range activity, and I was amazed at their dedication to being there that early.
All through the course we were increasingly stressed--because one of the course objectives was to get us ready for the time when we might be faced with that ultimately stressful challenge----a gunfight to save our own or our family's lives. The instructor's did not behave like DI's, however. I still marvel at their unbelievable level of patience and courtesy, but if you messed up on range safety you got the word, swiftly and crisply.
The combination of classroom work and repetitive practice on the range was designed to send you home much more knowledgable and competent than you ever were, before, and all through the four days I could see the improvement in every one of my classmates.
We had to think and study, too; about levels of competence, mental awareness, decisions on using deadly force, tactics, and gun handling.
"Dry practice" was a new idea for me, but it really works and you learn to use your practice time to really improve, rather than just go shoot 100 or 200 rounds on your local range. Dry practice always included clearing type 1,2, and 3 malfunctions. This was repeated and repeated time and again so you could do it fast and "get back in the fight".
Toward the end of the program we got to learn lowlight or night shooting with the high lumen tactical flashlight, and also how to "clear" the premises: you actually enter a "shooting house", and clear all of the bad guys, without killing any of the good folks. [I got all the bad guys, especially the hostage taker with one shot to the ocular-cranial cavity, and didn't kill any of the innocents].
This is just a brief description of the course activities. The instructors were superb, the facilities were excellent, and the work atmosphere was properly tough and time pressured, with really well sequenced repetition, so that the students knew they could perform very well, and they could go home continuing to sharpen their skills and their mental awareness.
If you have the time and the $$, this course is well worth it, and I recommend it highly. If you take along a significant other, who has little or no experience, you will literally see them "light up" with pride at their new-found skill and ability and their self confidence. My wife did not want to go---now she is asking "when are we going back?".

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
6 years 15 weeks ago, 12:32 PM

Anonymous

all ya gotta do now

is put your dog thru a K9 training school and you will be set!

6 years 15 weeks ago, 1:13 PM

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She is already......

attack trained. She tackles like a linebacker, and when the perp is down, she proceeds to lick his face until it is ready for plastic surgery.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
6 years 12 weeks ago, 4:44 PM

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Special on Now

Front Sight is running a special right now. 4-day defensive handgun ($2000) plus one day 30-state permit ($500), plus a knife, bunch of manuals and gear, plus a Springfield XD handgun in 9mm, .40 or .45 ACP (about $500) for a whopping $1199. The whole thing is worth over $4000 retail (though they may be inflating the gear part a bit) Still, what a value.

I just prices airfare to Las vegas ($200), rental car ($200/week), and hotel ($100 per night.) You could get buy for a total of around $2200 for everything. I'm close to clicking on yes for this one.

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6 years 12 weeks ago, 4:51 PM

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I hate to say this but your avatar just creeps me out. It is nasty...LOL

6 years 12 weeks ago, 10:42 PM

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with a package deal like that going on!

4 years 16 weeks ago, 2:58 PM

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LLE's Front Sight 2

Pard, here we go.

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4 years 16 weeks ago, 3:02 PM

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Good reading, Nice job. I have heard that they were top notch.

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4 years 16 weeks ago, 3:19 PM

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Thanks for the review of front sight. As stated, good reading.
Maybe Santa will oblige me with a trip out west.

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4 years 16 weeks ago, 3:24 PM

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You will definitely have a great experience. [ My wife and I are going back in the near future, and I am hoping to take the practical/tactical rifle course with my little M4]

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
4 years 16 weeks ago, 9:42 PM

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Thanks for the Info

on Front Sight. For a long time, I read the specials they offered and was always a little leary about whether it would be money well spent. Sounds like it is. My first purchase was for a mid-week 4-day defensive handgun course for $69. Yes, $69. It doesn't include all the bells and whistles that are mentioned in the special above, but for the price, I didn't think I could beat it. Since then, I've upgraded to a diamond lifetime membership. I was able to get a forclosed one for $1995. I don't get the guns, or the other extras, but I think for the money that I saved by going this route, I could probably buy all of those a couple times over.

Anyways, thanks for the honest report on your experience at Front Sight. I really appreciate it.

4 years 16 weeks ago, 7:54 AM

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the Diamond membership myself, But it is a long trip to Pahrump, and we do have several of those mid-week special certificates to use when we can make the trip west. I hope you enjoy your courses.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]

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