Glock is the best all around weapon period. If you disagree, why and what is possibly better?
I hate glocks they are a piece of crap! Don't like the safety on the trigger for one thing. Very stupid thing to do. Your finger is your best safety. Don't like the way they shoot. I like Springfield's and Para pistol more. A lot better made firearm and both are more accurate than a glock. Have shot matches for years with the Springfield's and Para and STI pistols are my 3 favors.
You get what you pay for in a firearm, generally speaking....
Glock makes a decent, quality firearm for the price. I own a 21C. No mod's and factory sites. I can double tap head shots at 25 to 50 yards like a built in instinct... Would I take it to a match? Probably not. But I can honestly say that I have never had a single issue with mine, and it is my primary home defense firearm. I usually do better with a single stack 1911 type handgun when it comes to .45 acp, but I have really decent results with my 13 round 21C, even with the crappiest range ammo I can buy.....
Here's a thought, let's put a safety on the back of the gun's frame. That'll make it safer. Or perhaps where the thumb rests, since the trigger finger is the best safety. Hah hah hah. had to give you shit, fordvg. Glocks are not pieces of shit. Many people prefer 1911's or other weapons over the Glock, but it's not a piece of shit. A Glock is a far superior combat weapon than the 1911. The 1911 may be a great match gun, and I agree that 1911's tend to be more accurate as a whole than Glocks as a whole, but as far as practical accuracy goes, Glocks have all the accuracy you'll ever need. The competitive shooting world is falling to the Glock more and more thanks to the likes of Dave Sevigny and Jesse Abbate, so you can't say with any authority that the Glock is a piece of shit. There are things I don't like about it, the factory sights and the Glock skidmark I get, but the sights are easily replaced and the skimark is a nuisance during training at most. And abur, as far as having two nearly identical Forum Topics, you shouldn't do it, the mods here will delete your stuff, find your house, rape your goldfish and eat your dogs. True stuff, I've seen it happen.
when I woke up today my fish appeared to have been assulted, my house was egged, and it looks like a cougar attacked my dog. runawaygun762 was right holy crap. I learned my lesson...
then then I hope you get the point. Tell you're goldfish they should be fine in 48-72 hrs, and the dog deserved it, he kept jizzing on my leg
See Abur, I told you this was going to open up a can of worms. :)
what kinda dogs you have?i am hungry and the grill is hot!
a bulldog and a shitzu, If you cook them together we could all have bullshit dogs! HA! Yeah I know thats an old one but its still funny.
Hot Dogs. I have heard that dogs have scent glands that ae toxic to humans. I wish we had some Korean members who could tell us how to properly field dress and butcher a dog. I did see a cool Korean cook book one day, called "50 Ways to Wok Your Dog". hah, get it? "Wok" your dog? Get it? I hate me.
you find a book on BBQing dogs you let me know!K
I have a Vietnamese soldier in my detachment, I'll see if he can get me some recipes. His family eats dogs, but he thinks I'm nuts for wanting to grill up a piece of leg muscle from a person to see what human flesh tastes like. Some people. I almost had some on my second tour to Iraq, as we had to helpt the Iraqi Police clean up the roadway after a car bomb went off, but there was gasoline and other fluids all over the road from other cars in the blast site, so the meat was all tainted. I'da got away with a pieces of Iraqis, too. It was funny, my platoon leader found out that I wanted to try it and gave me a direct order not to eat any part of the local national personnel. Not many people can say they've gotten an order like that before. Maybe next tour.
BBQ is the way!
My local PD uses Glocls. Oneof the reasons is that the safety is on the trigger, which means one less thing to worry about when you are moving fast. They are als extremely reliable. The PD got them for $85.00 apiece. Having said all that, I don't think Glock is 'the best' at all. There are many fine brands of firearms out there. Claiming one is 'best' is kind of like bragging on a football team. Meh?
My department uses the Glock 22, it an ok gun but I prefer the 21 you can never go wrong with the good old .45acp. I actually havnt shot the Glock .357 or 10mm yet.
As in I don't know them about pistols.
You may not know anything about pistols, but do you know how to clean a dog before wok-ing it so the meat isn't tainted? We need some help here.
how long was Godzilla's vagina...im guessing 10 feet long and mabey 20- 25 feet deep
God ebear talk about random, and your guesses might be right if godzilla was female
is a bitch.....first there was son of Godzilla, and in the newer version she laid eggs.
and Godzilla is ryo hero! ryo have over 30 Godzilla movies in collection. Godzilla is a "He". He is just all sexual ryo would guess would be right word cause can have live birth and can lay egg and seem to sometime just conjure little Godzilla out of thin air! Godzilla is a spirit that sometime punish Nihon when people have been bad and sometime is their champion when people have been good. His real name is Gohjira and no this does not mean, "big, scary monster". it is two nihongo word put together to make aglutinative word which mean something completely different from original two word. it is combination of word for gorilla and word for whale. let be kind to great heroic being of the island archepelago of nihon!
Your friend alway,
PS not forget about meeting tonight at 8 pm central time! be there or be square d:-) <--- ryo in a baseball cap.
it's the ultra short model: 29? Anyway, the only thing that makes it acceptable is to use the kind of clip that has a pinkie grip built into it. Otherwise that thing is just too small. He uses hollow points and carries. He's serious. We're going to go down to Frontsight later this year.
I got my 1st Glock in 1989-G19, 2nd in 1990-G23(hot off the press and still have it. I've rebuilt it 4 or 5 times) I subsequently bought a G20 and a G31. Still have G20/23/31.With an assortment of barrels both ported and not. Obviously I like glock. I also like SIG a lot as well as other brands. However, I have never had to spend an additional dime to "make them work", right out of the box. My comment, don't knock the Glock, they work.
glocks are so easy to shoot though, and accurate of the box.
I have shot glocks and I don't like them at all. I will buy a Para,Springfield or a STI pistol instead. I like real pistols and not ones that look and feel like toys.
try a glock, it will surprise you. you probably never even handled one to even give it the "piece of crap" title.
that would be like me telling you that you are a "piece of crap" without even giving you a chance to prove to me that you are.
oh, by the way, i am an asshole and I am Proud of it, so do yourself a favor and get over yourself.
try a glock one day, go to your local indoor range, they have them to rent for about 12 dollars an hour.
joey you need to go back to school and learn to read. I said, I have shot the piece of crap glocks and they SUCK besides being a PIECE OF CRAP! I like real pistols like STI,PARA,Springfields pistol and have shot these for years. I like a pistol to have some weight to it.
I have no local indoor range to go to I do all of my shooting at outdoor ranges or on friends land for long range shooting.
I have never found a Glock, at a gun store, indoor range or anywhere else that I would give two squirts of piss about. Springfield's blow Glock's out of the water.
that is like saying you are a piece of crap. ok, I am done with you. I like my glocks and you like your 1911's.
I don't pick on your choices. I just pick on people who think that they are god and feel that their opinion is the only one.
With that being said, I will now attempt to be like you, and tell you that YOU SUCK AND SO DO YOUR STI'S, PARAS AND SPRINGFIELDS.
And that pic about bearmeat SamD found is probably you.
but i respect everybodys opinion here(cept bearmeat), to me glock is accurate, accurate enough to give me a lot of confidence when shooting it, it is also easy to clean and restore, and you can find parts and accesories for it anywhere for cheap.
Well the Para, Springfield, Kimber are all excellant, they are what you show your friends. But, you show your enemies your GLOCK! sounds like "my Ford is better then your Chevy" argument, Hell sakes when it's real quite at nite, you can hear a Ford rust. GMC (Got a Mechanic Commin).
What ever you prefer is the best, I like the Glock, cause it's so damn easy to clean. Ugly, yes, looks like a damn 2x4, yes, ain't purdy like the Kimber, true, but the Glock is one hell'va weapon when the shit hits.
R. LEE, is not wrong. He's the GUNNY!!
Learn while your young kids.
The Gunny is wrong about the glock. But if I was getting the money he is from glock to say it is a good pistol I just might say that myself for the right price. Then take my money and go buy a real gun to use. By the way my Ford will out last any Chevy of GMC any day. Plus, my young days are long pasted.
Chill Lil Brother, remember the best gun or truck is the one you have. Example, "What is the best home defence weapon?" The one you grab first! Don't matter if its the shotgun or the Springfield, or the Glock. I have an 870 Police Magnum, rifle sights, extened magizine. Loaded with 00 Buck, then a slug, another 00 buck. and so on. maybe that is better. Then someone says "Remington Sucks". Cause they have a Mossburg. I have fired the Luger 08, cant hit shit with it. But my brother sweares by it. So my Glock is better than your high priced Springfield.
Just shitin ya. I got 2 Glocks, a Taurus and a Ruger. Havn't had any problems. no stove pipes, or jams.
Got the Ruger in 88, the Glocks in 96. Springfield is a damn fine peice, ask any ww2 vet. Or Nam Vet. if you can find one. (ww2)
time to get to bed.
is that I've been around all types of firearms for the past 20 years and I have no complaints with glock besides the looks and the factory sights (like runaway always says)
A Glock is more durable than any 1911 out there and as reliable a gun as you'll ever find. Saying Springfield kicks the shit outta the Glock is an asinine comment. Assuming you're talking about the XD series, it is a Glock with a safety grip. It is more comfortable to shoot, but also bigger in a given size category, thus not as easy to conceal. It is one thing to say you prefer one type of gun over another, but to say a gun is a piece of shit because it's not the one you prefer shows a lack of intelligence or maybe just vocabulary. So perhaps a definition of "piece of shit" is in order. Is it defined as a gun which will last longer without needing replacement parts than guns priced three time higher? How abou a gun that has a minimum of external controls to allow a simplified manual of arms for high-stress environments? How about a gun that has been around for years now and has never been accused of being a great gun once it's been out of the custom shop? Or maybe it's a gun that has always had a well-deserved reputation of reliability? Well, if any of those cover the definition of the term "Piece of Shit", then I guess the Glock falls into that category. I love the Glock, I'm a diehard Glock fan, but I can still admit the few flaws it has and have done so.
Well put, Glock friend.
The Springfield XD is one of the pistol that Springfield should not had made. Because it is to much like the glocks. Funny that you talk about reliable in a gun. The 1911 is as good as it was in 1911 and still going strong. When glock has been around for a hundred years then we can talk about how good it is if it last that long. The 1911 simplified manual of arms for high-stress environments is the gun I use and will still use. Like I said, joeybag and you can buy all of the glocks you guys want. Find by me.
Springfield doesn't make the XD, its manufactured by HS Produkt in Croatia
is the one you don't have to fiddle with before you can fire. If you are saying, "Now, where is that damn safety?" then whatever gun it is, it's wrong for you. I'm not secretly promoting Glocks here. It's just that the gun you are most comfortable using efficiently is the best, no matter what the brand.
I have no problem with people having preferences, like Chevy over Ford or vice versa, but when it gets to be an emotional attachment, something is quite amiss.
Personal emotional attachments to attack a brand of gun is immature, stupid, lazy, improper, and most of all uneducated if it really works someone up as bad as fordvg was...
Wow, he takes his brands a little more to his heart, maybe even has some improper relationship with them?!?!
Whew, the implications and shit talk on here is nuts. But I must be a part of it.
The 1911 has been around for almost a hundred years now and is still going strong. John Browning came up with a GREAT design that is as good now as it was in 1911. The 1911 is a KISS design which stands for "Keep it Simple Stupid". Something that you would not understand! I'm not worked up at all just stating facts. You and runawaygun can buy all the pieces of craps you want. I will take my hard earned money and buy real pistols that work great now just like in 1911. Have a nice day!
Will they both shoot? Will they both save your ass? Definately, the only piece of shit gun out there is the one noone purchases.
agree or disagree, your choice.
... may be ugly and toyish, but it rocks my world
yours may be cool and stylish, but it rocks yours.
the grip on the Glock was a little closer to 90 degrees, I would love one. They are very reliable. They are built like a Sherman tank. They will withstand the elements like no other and they maintain quite well, but it is that damned grip angle that gets me. I can't shoot it with any accuracy and every round fired puts me in line to get bitten by the slide. They are not pieces of shit by no means, but they ain't what I would be reaching for if the shit were to hit the fan. If I have to use a gun, I want the one that I would be most likely to hit what I am aiming at, and Glocks ain't it. If you like you some Glock, more power to ya. If you can shoot one well, again, more power to ya. You have got a great gun. It just ain't my thing. I will take the XD every time, or the PT-92. It is all a matter of what feels good to you. To me, the XD feels like an extension of my hand. The grip is at the perfect angle. It is great to be able to customize the grip strap for my hand. And I really dig the accessories that come with it.
As long as Glocks have that funky grip on them, I will not give a squirt of piss for one. But if you love them...carry on brother.
I agree that the XD is very comfortable, but do not agree with the closer to 90 degree line of thought. If you hold an imaginary gun out in front with your hand at a natural angle in reference to your arm, you'll find even the 1911 or Glock are too close to 90 degree. That is why, if you look at the competition bullseye pistols used by oympic shooters, you'll see a ridiculous angle. I also agree with the slide bite from the Glock, I call it the Glock skidmark. I have it on my hand and anyone with large hands or high grip will get bit every once in a while. The XD is much more comfortable, but much less concealable.
hey i know i made fun of your video, but you do walk it like you talk it....it was pretty god video, and you are a good shot
The whole video didn't play. I'm gonna have to go back and try to figure out what happened. Oh well. As for my shooting, thanks. I missed a few, but I wasn't going to keep reshooting until I got all hits. I hope I can fix it and repost. I really think if I can do a series of videos here, it'll help some of the members who may not be familiar with some of the different drills. I think my next one is going to be a demonstration of the different "CQB" target engagement methods like the double tap, hammer, controlled pair and nonstandard response. I'll probably do it with my M4. I really need to get a digital camcorder. That vid was done with my Canon A550 digital camera set on my car. DAMN IT, WHERE'S THE COPS CAMERA CREW WHEN YOU NEED THEM?!
you would teach us novices allot about profetional shooting.....but you do have a big ass!!!!lol
Don't make me back this ass up!! I look like a pear. I have a huge ass and short legs. How did I ever get laid? Thank god for a good personality and extensive training in various chokeholds I guess
i use a brick myself....lolwell my hay is ready gonna sack out now....g/n
I'm not going to say that they are pieces of shit, but I won't buy one. Yes Joey, I have shot several glocks and never met a glock I like. As for pistols, I'll take a 1911 over a glock anyday. If you want to limit it to poly frames, XD or XDM over glock. The ergomatics of the handle is off, the sights are crap, and the trigger of the glock is horrible. I have 3 1911's and true, not all of those triggers are perfect, but I can and do customize my triggers to my liking, it's an easy and inexpensive process. Can a glock owner say the same?
If you wanted to, you can customize a glock, Robbie Barkman's Robar has been customizing Glocks since...25 years ago, actually.
He even, if you wish, makes the ergonomics similar to a 1911. I do agree the factory sights are shit! I replaced mine with tritium 3 dot sights, makes it much better.
that is the only thing I have done with mine, but yea, there are other options if you really wanted to do so.
I say it this way, customize all you want, spend your money either way.
If it saves your ass, it is a good gun. The most effective one, is the one you are used to shooting.
So, there is my final statement on this subject.
Yes i can say the same, easier and cheaper than the 1911. Also more of a selection of parts. GLOCK kills 1911 any day, Ill challenge you to a shoot off in las vegas bring your 1911 ill bring my GLOCK. Make sure you bring some $$$ to put on it, its vegas after all.
It was an "easy and inexpensive process", with several different aftermarket pieces, and I now have a beauty, at 3.5pounds. have I met your challenge??
I started my Glock adventure with a generation 3-Glock 20. It has a big finger groove grip and a rail for accessories. 10MM is my favorite handgun caliber.
I had a squib load and rapid fired another round behind it. The Glock 20 blew up in my hands. The percussion caused the Storm Lake barrel to split lengthwise, the heavy slide to bow outward, earthquake cracked frame, and launched the guide rod 30 feet.
The parts of this gun went back to Glock and they sold me a new frame and slide for $250.00.
I put the pistol back together and test fired it. It would fire one round, and not load the next repeatedly.
I sent the pistol back to Glock, and they replaced a few frame parts, and sent it back as meeting factory specs. I have not fired it yet but plan to soon.
I recently acquired the new Glock 20SF (short frame ) and installed a 6" Lone wolf barrel and stainless steel guide rod & recoil spring. It fired perfectly the first time.
Glock is good about repairing problems. I still like the Glock due to it's firing capacity and simplicity.
I have two 10mm Delta Elite 1911A1 pistols which are way cool to shoot.
I also have a Smith & Wesson 610 revolver with 3 7/8" barrel which will fire the hottest 10mm loads with no trouble.
Some people just have bad luck. You buy a GLOCK it sucks, one in a million. I own 3 1911 they all suck they jam, misfeed, stovepipe, and everything else but blow up in my hand. My GLOCKS have never malfunctioned, ever. They will some day, mabey.... But that will be one in 100 million. GLOCKS are just made better ask any law enforcement agency in the country.
can fix all your problems except one....they are ugly!!!!lolololol
of the beholder.
I've never had a problem with my G20. I mostly shoot it with a EFK Firedragon
Ported 6" barrel:set up to hunt with. I have used about the hottest commercial loads out there w/no issue. There is an FPE of 700
in this state as a hunting minimum. With that ported 6" barrel it is very comfortable.
I didn't quite understand how the Ka-Boom occured. Was it overpressure from the squib round or (?).
The squib load is from a cartridge that has a light charge and does not completely exit the barrel. If you fire a round behind it,.........kaboom!
I do not rapid fire my Glocks any more.
I have carried a M9 since I was 18 years old. When I finally got my NYS carry permit I purchased a Glock 21. Liked it but missed my M9.Glock did not have a double/sinlge action option plus no safety. I purchased a M9 Pro with all the 1911 bells and whistles on it. Glock is great but I prefer my M9.
My pistol is best because I own it, it is mine. It's the same for you. Whatever is most comfortable and feels right is whats best. The initial attraction to a firearm may be like physical, like when you first see a woman. At first it's "She's hot, I wonder how she is in bed?" You find out you like her style. Or maybe it's "She ain't much to look at but my buddy told me she fucks like a rabbit on ecstasy, and dammit he was right." You know, you like the looks and feel and go with that or your buddy tells you about his pistol that say a Glock for instance, isn't much to look at but you try it out and find that thats what fits you best. Theres my best try at mediator. I myself am finding that I'm falling for SIGS. Nice to look at, long ass (safety in the trigger) pull and accurate enough for me. Hope this helps, if not. As you were.
There are a lot of different things out there to customize your perfect pistol, if the Glock was the perfect for everyone Springfield, Para, Beretta and everyone else would be out of business, Glock isn't the "best" because it hasn't nailed all the features to be perfect for everyone. The Glock is at the bottom of my list because it feels funny in my hand and when I shoot it I get the feeling it's going to explode into a million pieces. I like having manual safeties on weapons thats just me. Do not give me crap that I'm an unsafe gun handler because I like that we're talking about the guns not me. Plus my dad has put holes in the ceiling not me. Weapons now are matching up to the Glock and probably surpassing them in a lot of areas. The XD is one of them that is starting to stand out. The biggest problem in why everyone things Glock is SOOOOOOOOOOOO great is cause they have dominated the pistol market like how the Remington 700 has done with bolt actions. Do you know why that is? Because of the military and law enforcement, the civilian world always follow them. The truth is they were great when they first came out, and they are still good today (for some people) but there are better things out there then that just like there better rifles out there besides the Remington 700. So the lesson is be a Rebel try something new forget the Glock cause it hasn't changed since the 80's.
Glocks rule the pistol world. Most bang for the buck. I can't belive anyone would state they are not accurate. However I am becoming partial to the springfeild XDm's
TacDoc, be a rebal and try something new? That's asinine. "Hey, I'm really good with this after lots and lots of practice, so I think I'll trust my life to something new instead". Come on, guy, that was dumb. Fordvg, the 1911 has been around for a long time, and it has changed. Look at a 1911 from that year and look at a Kimber or Springfield today. It has changed, and if the Glock had been around in 1911, John Browning's gun wouldn't be nearly as popular. Say, the Colt Peacemaker has been around for even longer, it must be better than the 1911, right? Hell, spears have been around even longer. They are much more reliable, with fewer parts to break, so maybe we should all carry spears, right? The fact is that the Glock is more reliable and more durable than the 1911. Ronin, yes, Glock owners can cusomize their guns, and a hell of a lot easier than 1911 owners can. A Glock is about the most modular handgun out there. I can literally turn a Glock 17 from a production gun to an Open class gun and back in 15 minutes. Can you do that with a 1911? I think not. The 1911 has been around for quite a while, sure. But there are far superior combat pistols now. You may call the Glock a piece of crap, but I can logically call the 1911 a gunsmith's best source of income.
It was a joke I'm sorry I can't match up to your hilarious smart remarks. Why is it modular because it has a light rail? (Again another joke) There isn't a issue here with reliability here because if we care for clean and keep our firearms in order we don't need to worry about being to shoot it after being in a sandstorm for 3 days we aren't in the sandbox dude. The reason fordvg likes the 1911 is cause it's made of metal not plastic some people are just that way. I like higher capacity so I don't like 1911's and the XD(M) holds 16 for 40 S&W what other pistol does that not Glock without an extendable mag. Give it up runaway just cause it's perfect for you doesn't mean it's perfect for me or fordvg or anyone else who doesn't fall prey to Glocks domination of the semi-auto world.
And stop making personal stabs at people when you can't think of something of substance to say I'm getting sick of that.
Besides the single stack of the 1911. That is why there is a model 2011 model that is a double stack like the XD(M). The 2011 and a Para double stack pistol both holds 16 rounds of 40 S$W in a mag..
Oh yea I forgot I about Para's Hi-cap, but what about this 2011?
STI makes 2011 which are double stack pistols like the hi-caps of Para. The 2011 is a 1911 model but is a double stack instead of a single stack pistol.
Well my rock has sharper edges and is more streamlined and I can throw it farther. I have more rocks than you! Doh ad nauseum.
Only 1 thing that I ask, if needed and I pull my weapon and pull the trigger, that the friggin thing works, ist time everytime.
One thing to add in defense for fordvg but how many companies are making 1911's compared to composites? A hell of a lot more. Actually I was wrong 1911 is still dominating the world. as it has for the last 98 years. Wake up it was a revolutionary design but it won't stand the test of time it just wasn't that perfect.
this says it all the XD not the M has surpassed the tests Glock put out on their pistols.
their uglyness is a thing of beauty.
I think revolvers are the most beautiful firearms like a Ruger Security-Six 4" or a Colt .45
I tried out a Glock38 last night. Try it, You'll never kiss another girl.
Now all I have to do is find one.
I'm sure you're still hurt over the Mosin Nagant thing, but it'll be okay. If you will read the beginning of this topic, you will see that Ford referred to the Glock as a piece of crap. That is not a statement of one preference over another, so back off. I personally don't care what you are getting sick of, especially if you jump in half-cocked. This is a debate (argument?) over weapon preferences and I am making points in response to an outlandish statement. I could continue by responding to Ford's "KISS" post by saying the Glock has fewer moving parts and is a more simplistic design than the 1911, but of course I wouldn't want you to think I'm taking stabs at anyone. By the way, the Glock 22 holds 16 rds of .40
Yea piece of crap is his wording and with how he is thinking of it... It actually is because he likes to have the cold steel of the 1911 the Glock is plastic... (And yes I know it's some fancy kind of plastic they use on space shuttles or some stupid shit like that) but it's still plastic last time i checked steel is more durable than plastic... I'm sure you know the Glock trigger is plastic what about the amazing safety inside the trigger if either of those were to break games over... I provided my proof that the XD has surpassed the Glock, and I'm sure the M is even better because they finally addressed the ergonomics issue and it comes stock with a match grade barrel. Obviously my preference is the the XD. The truth is Glock hasn't changed for the times besides minor modifications done by smiths while other companies are building better weapons.
I'm sick of you coming back with a long paragraph of nothing, there were 2 sentences in your last post that spoke of the topic at hand, and the rest was aimed at me and ford... Who's half-cocked? And can you prove that the Glock has less moving parts than any handgun out there I wanna see the researc. I've already provided the proof that the XD has withstood more than the Glock in a torture test.
According to the original poster: abur, he wrote:
Glock is the best all around weapon period. If you disagree, why and what is possibly better?
I have to go out on a limb here and testify that the Ronald Reagan is a far superior weapon than any glock. A Trident submarine also trumps a glock, in fact from my experience, a ruger m77r is a better weapon.
I wonder why we all thought abur was talking about a pistol, he never clarified that.
just adding fuel to the fire here gents...
ryo like advanced cruise missile because of long range, heavy payload and fantastic accuracy. can take out power station by spraying area with carbon fibers and this short out power and is devil to clean up. navy seal team is very powerful weapon too. ssn uss virginia class submarine is ryo favorite weapon.
have heard much good thing about glock and 1911 and it seem like are different guns for different thing. ryo is not qualify to say which is better though, but am enjoy follow thread because of interesting discussion.
Hey man, thanks for the accolade. It was strange to me the context of the original post and how it was interpreted. Of course there is only one weapon, everything else is but a tool to carry out mission.
Looking at some of the STI 2011 concepts they have peaked my interest. Do you have a particular favorite in their line-up?
I have a couple of the 2011 pistols that I like from STI "THE EDGE" and "Tactical 5.0" pistols are the 2 I like the best.
Sorry about the lesbo part, don't want it to seem like I'm taking a stab at you. Hah. I suck. Anyway, I think my assumption was based on the idea that as much as I love Glocks, comparing them as overall weapons to things like the M4, MP5, Remington 870, or HK PSG-1 would be asinine. Although the argument could be made that the Glock is a better choice for its primary role than the aforementioned weapons are for their primary roles.
HAHAHAHA thats funny
I have been called clitbo, clintbo, and now clintlesbo, if you must know I do like the women, if the label fits...
I was being a smart ass on the weapon thing. This discussion is like saying Dodge is the best truck. I can argue my points, Ford can argue his and samD (I think you have a Chevy????) can argue his. What it comes down to is, what do you prefer. Am I going to change anyone of those guys opinion? Fuck no. Why even bother except to put the information out there. It seems like a waste of time and I wanted to have a little fun and try to piss someone, anyone off with my observation of the original post and the psychology of gun owners.
how is that for taking a stab at a lesbian. I think it is ok as long as you have your licker license.
And as for metal being more durable than polymer? Of course it is. Your torture test garbage is exactly that. Garbage. No normal person is going to subject their gun to a torture test environment. I agree that the XD is a good gun. My wife has one and it is very comfortable. it is a subcompact and still doesn't conceal as well as the Glock compact 9mm, but it's still a good gun. Again, my responses to Ford were based on his comment that the Glock is a POS. It is a superior weapon to the 1911 system. It is more durable because you don't have metal on metal impact while cycling. the 1911 has been changed through the years, and is still not as good as the Glock for reliability, ease of maintenance, and simplicity of manual of arms. I think the 1911 is a comfortable weapon in the hand and is more accurate as a whole than the Glock, but the Glock is superior in the categories where a combat piece really needs it. I'm not aiming anything at ford. I am responding to his statements. You came into it with nothing to offer, so if I'm "taking a stab" at anyone, then i guess it's you. I'm sure you'll be okay, it's just the internet. have fun comparing numbers of parts.
But talking about reliability and durability isn't what would test those things is a torture test. I'm pretty sure accuracy is the main thing you'll need in a combat pistol. But I understand that where the 1911 won't stand up to conditions the Glock will, but it's not the only one that will. I don't think the 1911 is a good combat pistol, the only thing it has going for it is caliber and accuracy, it's too heavy and the capacity sucks compared to other weapons.
But what do you think are main things for a combat pistol to have. Lets give it 3 categories so we don't get out of hand.
So immediately it knocks out the 1911 for me.
I'm just comparing XDm to Glock cause you know I"m an XD guy. Accuracy isn't much difference there are many compitition shooters going to the XD as the Glock. Glock does keep the weight pretty standard around low 20 oz. Where XDm is at 32. But then again we can't go to light but not too heavy I don't think this compares to the 1911 though. Capacity is where it does differ G-22 at 15 for .40 SW, where G-23 for 13 for .40, but XDm with 17. It's a close call there needs to be a side by side test but I think they will both be right up there.
They are all 3 (1911, Glock, XD) great guns. None of them are a peice of crap. I love all 3 of them. People have preferences, so, what ever is comforable for you, that's the "best" one for you. I wouldn't complain if you gave me either one of the 3 and dropped me off in a cave full of taliban. This is like argueing over whose girlfriend is the prettiest. I would trust my life to any of those guns. I have had a few more FTF with the 1911's, but not that many. Glocks and Xd's are both "plastic" guns and both are but ugly, but both function wonderfully. And 1911's are just plain sexy.
I may be talking through my hat here, because pistols were never a specialty of mine. How does the Desert Eagle Mark VII or Mark XIX .44 magnum stack up against either the 1911 .45 or the Glock .45?
Well I'm not sure about the Mark XIX, but I've heard the Desert Eagle in .50 AE is very inaccurate where Glocks and 1911's are more accurate, but I'm not sure. Runaway?
There really is no comparison. The DE is not supposed to be a combat gun. I know you could use it for hunting, but there are much more accurate and cheaper hunting hand cannons out there. The DE, in my opinion, is a great gun to take to the public range and show how much money/what a small pecker you have. I personally don't know of the reliability of the DE under adverse conditions, as I don't know of anyone who carries one for defense except Mack Bolan of The Executioner series novels.
1. Reliability. Pistols are used primarily as defensive weapons or if your primary weapon has failed, so if a pistol is used, you are more than likely in one of those "Oh Shit" situations. A combat pistol should be as reliable as possible for this very reason.
2. Capacity. Because pistols are inherently less powerful and less accurate than rifles or shotguns, you can expect to expend more rounds to solve the same problem. I know us cool guy don't like to admit it, but when your life is on the line, you want to be able to miss a lot and still hit as much as necessary.
3. Power. This may seem a contradiction, as I espouse the virtues of the puny 9mm over the 40 and 45, but I believe in going with the biggest round you can effectively use. My reasons for choosing the 9mm have been spewed forth on this site a few times, so I won't go into them here. Just suffice it to say I'm right.
On your first criteria for a combat pistol, you wrote:
1. Reliability. Pistols are used primarily as defensive weapons or if your primary weapon has failed, so if a pistol is used, you are more than likely in one of those "Oh Shit" situations. A combat pistol should be as reliable as possible for this very reason.
Are you assuming only the role of an assault squad here? The reason I ask is because I know many Police Officers and personal security, including the Secret Service that rely on pistols as their primary. I would still classify these people as combatants if they are in a fire fight, the only difference is the location of the confrontation.
Military or Law Enforcement, whatever you have, has to be "simple', "effective" & "trainable". I agree with runaway on all of his points except caliber. That is where I say whatever caliber you are most efficient on (and accept mentally)you should use. OK, I know I can shoot a G19 better that a G23 or G32/31. I'm not comfortable w/9MM. It's in my head! I want a .40/10MM +.
I have never been comfortable with huge pistols. My pistol to hunt, is a G20 with a 6" barrel or a Ruger Blachawk 7 1/2"barrel .44=Mag, or if I only carry a pistol a T/C Encore, 14" barrel, 7MM08. my2cents
My post referred to military, LE, security, private sector, everyone who uses or carries a weapon. For the cop, bodyguard, or citizen, using a pistol in a fight is not a typical part of the job, so to me it qualifies as a SHTF moment. The soldier goes looking for people to kill, but not with a pistol as their first choice. There are very few instances in which anybody, military or civilian, will use a pistol as a primary offensive weapon, and if a soldier draws his pistol, he/she should be in immediate contact (if not, fix the problem with the long arm, THEN GET BACK TO WORK, LAZY-ASS!!!), so in my twisted little view of things, just about anyone who has a pistol in their hands is in the same category of defensive shooter, so my criteria apply for all pistol users.
I think I follow your observation, thus I will not hijack the thread with symantics or some other bullshit word I can come up with at the moment...
thanks for the clarification.
you really need to find something besides masturbation to pass the time...
I get on this site to pass the time between masturbation sessions. This is my pastime. And please, hijack away. Things are a bit boring at the moment while I wait for my nuts to refill
i fill my nuts with marshmellow fluff..it baffles the police for days at local zoo assaults.
I do not agree with you that a Police officer, a Secret Service Agent, or a bodygaurd rely on pistols as back up. These individuals use there service weapon (pistol) as their main weapon. My argument stems from observation. You do not see the Presidential detail with rifles or shotguns. They have pistols: same with the Police, although this statement can be argued either way as most officers have a rifle and/or shotgun in their squad car. Finally a body guard relies on concealment and thus a pistol fits the mechanics of the requirement.
I have to quote you:
For the cop, bodyguard, or citizen, using a pistol in a fight is not a typical part of the job, so to me it qualifies as a SHTF moment.
simply because this is a caveat that can not be ignored. I believe anyone that draws a concealed pistol understands the excrement is flying into the spinning object.
These are my observations, I probably countered my own argument, but i dont give a shit. I am trying to get this thread to at least 3 pages. Or until I pass out from dead nazis...
For the cop, bodyguard, or citizen, using a pistol in a fight is not a typical part of the job, so to me it qualifies as a SHTF moment. This comment is true. I wasn't saying they use rifles or shotguns as primaries. I am saying that using any weapon at all is not a typical part of the job for those people. A cop, citizen, or bullet stopper uses a gun in defense only, whereas a soldier in a combat zone goes looking for the fight with the expectation that they will use their weapon. However, soldiers don't go looking for the enemy while carrying a handgun, so for all practical purposes, anyone who uses a handgun is using it in a defensive capacity.
I can think of one exception for your postulate: an assassin. I know I am going slightly towards Tom Clancy, but nonetheless, an assassin would use a suppressed pistol as his primary (depending on the contract I would have to assume). Otherwise, SHTF is a assessment I agree with you on. I just killed another nazi, it is starting to get hard to concentrate on typing. I am curious what my next post might look like. I probably won't be able to tell until tomorrow anyways...
There are times when a pistol will be used in an offensive role, such as School Resource Officers/DARE Officers in a school looking for an active shooter, or criminals robbing people, but a pistol being used in an offensive role is so rare compared to its defensive use, I don't even consider it in this issue. But since you brought it up, my criteria still stand as anyone placing their hopes of killing someone at close range without themselves being wounded or killed will still benefit the most from these merits. For an offensive pistol, power can probably be reasonably replaced with concealability.
good points, hopefully this will push it over to the 3 pages mark.
Nope, still two pages, but cracking on 5in1killa seems to be an acceptable use of time. hah hah hah, DIE, LIBERAL SCUM!!! Just kidding. Not really. Yes I am. Fuck, I'm confused.
This second page is like a bag of holding in Dungeons and Dragons or ebear's ass. We just can't seem to fill it up. Am I a geek?
where's samd at???I love it when he flashes back to the days when he was one of the original 300
im just whoring points
kool i wanna be a part of a useless endeavor
I don't think it's going to.
glocks are a piece of crap, a loud piece of crap that shoots straight. and my girlfriend is cuter than greasypaws
You told me i was your goddess/god?WTF?
greasypaws is one back shaving away from being a super model
Does 3 pages excite you?
ebear where is your new ugly bff?
im only dating him so i can inherit his XDm when i give him the Swine Flu
dont be upset I wouldnt give you any play, besides I kick it with ebear because he does a good job on my lawn!!!
on the right keeps getting smaller. WE CAN DO IT, PEOPLE!! clitofalesbo, I agree completely that Glocks are garbage. No they're not, you are. I may be a piece of crap, but at least I'm not mexican. Or a marine. Or a mexican marine. Are there any other kinds of marines? Hell, I don't know. I didn't know Mexico had marines. Not Mexico, dumbass!. Oh.
delete this whole stupid thread! My peepee is better than your peepee.
Out damn spot!
has an elite killing squad made up Telamundo extras.thier sweat glands secrete a synthetic drug that make caucasions crave Mescal, which is really beached whale piss.
a ghille suit, I will delete your peepee with a knife Lorena Bobbitt-style, samD. So anyway, I think Pelosi is making a mistake butting heads with Christians In Action. These people find out things about people for a living, and in order to get to where she's at, she's gotta have some skeletons somewhere.
which he is a majority stakeholder.
all I have to do is call a do see do and walk away from you!
I can, if you saw in the video, hit things while do se do-ing, so that won't work. I really need a range buddy to film that stuff for me.
i passed out, woke up and we have three pages. What have we learned?
Ebear is a mexican marine that runaway doesn't believe in. Greasy is my goddess, ford loves him some glock, and we can get to 3 pages, just not on topic.
I hope we are proud of ourselves for this accomplishment.
FOUR PAGES, AND BEYONNNNNNNNNNND!!!!! Anyway, samD, the new avatar is a bit disturbing, but I like it. I wish I could come up with something cool. Maybe I'll scan one of my dead people pics and use it as mine. Probably not. I wouldn't want people thinking I'm a dead Iraqi. Hell, I don't know.
Do I not believe in ebear, or mexican marines? I'm confused
I will take my XDm 40 over a glock any day.
well, this is a fine kettle of fish.... I have to say I have both glocks and the single actions, 1911s and hi powers...you know like my picture... I have carried both, but I feel the 1911s and the hi powers are much easier. they are heavier, but they are thin and stick tight to the body. I think they are inherently more safe and I believe glocks will someday come with manual safetys. there is little doubt which is the more accuate in my mind, but glocks are plenty accurate for their intended purpose. I will never be without any of my SAs, and I have sold most of my glocks. I am keeping my 23 but that's it. I definitely favor the single actions.
In my country the Glock price is about US$3000 But compare to same quality as Glock Turkish brands or Brazilain (Taurus) are nearly $ 600-700, The rate of import custom and other taxes are the same about 80%, The Glock.. When anybody go to a dealer for buying Glock the dealer smiles and ask Its very Expensive...Yes really its very expensive, But Why ? Maybe the dealers monopoly... or the Glock's monopoly
wow. remind me not to buy a glock there... that is interesting however. here glocks cost around 550. how much does a kimber cost?
Depends upon the shooter and his hand. Ive pretty much have one of each and my old S&w will outshoot my glock but when it comes to pointing and shooting my glock wins.
As far as the more safetys go NO. I havent seen a gun go off yet on its own. Learn to keep your finger off the trigger till time to fire. My S&W 1076 has no safety to speak of either just the military trigger setup and thats the way it should be. That is one of my major bitches about the 1911. I know the 1911 shoot well but they could stand to take off lets say aboout 5 safetys and that would still leave you a few.
Glocks are ugly but dependable and very few moving parts. Im not sure to many pistols could be thrown in the mud and shot without cleaning them. I konw one little piece of crap under that 1911 grip safety and its no longer of any use. My xdm has that grip safety but it is set very loose from the factory.
Glock mags were out very easy too due the fact they are held in by the plastic housing. But face it in the time of need do you care if you put 3 bullets in dime size hole or do you care if it goes off?
I've had Glocks for years and the mags are more reliable than any other mags I've used. The plastic sleeve shields the liner from dings that cause the 1911 mags to get thrown away.