What would you do ?
This is a potentially dangerous man, who needs psychiatric help.
who are shallow minded enough to think that is a good way to teach their child a lesson. I just hope it's a FB stunt, kids don't need that kind of drama in their lives.
how the hell is that abuse...fuckin liberals....DC and LLE, what would you have done instead of what this father did? I dont really see what he did wrong....but then again, Im 23..lol
I do know mature people your age who think through situations instead of reacting to them. 'Nuff said.
Me, a liberal. Shit, I could almost think your post was funny.
if you read the comment below the first one, you would have seen that I was calling the people who think that was abuse to the child an f'ing liberal...via the msnbc article. I also asked how you would handle it, how would you have handled it...everything he had to say before he shot the computer was great, and nothing wrong with it...maybe shooting her computer wasnt a great idea while filming it...If I am missing something please tell me.
the liberals comment was on that msnbc...I: was reading their article on it
our memory banks.
Teen age children have a lot to deal with. They are trying to become sexually developed, they're going from Barbie dolls to cars and kitchen gadgets.
The clothes Mom & Dad buy suck, if she wears them she knows her friends will pick on her for the rest of her life.
Suddenly every little thing anyone says about him or her can potentially be the death of their social life, forever.
A teen aged child's life is full blast emotions then suddenly the ultimate authority figure in her life takes one of her socializing tools away from her.
That's not bad enough, he uses extreme violence to destroy a part of her social life.
How would I deal with it????
Just what permanent harm did she do while using her computer? Any serious damage to her family? Any major loss of money because of what she did?
Or did she just say a few words that were, for the minute, hurtful? As we demonstrate frequently here on Gunslot words that can hurt can be forgiven and forgotten. That would be a positive way to get the message across to her.
Blowing away her computer gives her a PERMANENT scar on her ego and self image. In my advancing years I have learned that hurting someone because they hurt me does not get a hug in return, now or maybe ever.
Her "Daddy" will carry the guilt the rest of his life if he is much of a man.
I wouldnt think that what he did would be a permanent scar on her ego, once she goes to college shell forget all about it...maybe, maybe not..idk. Kids now days dont seem to be as strong mentally, they are babied more and allowed to get away with things more now than before. You do make a good point, but to what end do you let your kid disrespect you? maybe he isnt that great of a father, and thats why she doesnt respect him, kid seems super spoiled to me. I never talked about my mom like that, not to friends or even myself. He probably shouldnt have posted that to her facebook, or put it online period, because of the public ramifications...you do anything to punish your kid now days and you get the third degree. Kids got made fun of in highschool all the time, and they turned out to be great people, now days kids are killing themselves because they got made fun of. Ive been poked fun of before, never let it get to me. I just hope that Ill have the respect of my child, and they wont act like this girl did and put me in the situation like she did her dad.
hug you passed up you'll never be able to make up. Keep that in mind and I doubt you'll ever face the problems you saw in the vid clip.
It's not spoiling a kid to show concern and affection,it's not a weakness to admit your child can and will hurt you and you'll forgive, it's good parenting.
As for this ol' dude, I'm leaving now to watch G-daughter play basketball!!! Gonna hug her too!
Have a gr8 evening :<))
should have given it to goodwill or something, but when you run out of paper targets, laptops of disobediant kids work all the same :D
wouldn't be made public.
what wouuld YOU have done??
I have no idea. I wouldn't have posted something on the internet, I know that much. Would have for sure grounded her and take away her computer, maybe cell phone too...I would like to think I would be able to raise my kid better than that....that my child wouldn't be so spoiled and so disrespectful. Shoot, were all playing armchair quarterback...All I know is I wouldn't punish my kind via facebook.
At the risk of alienating myself from some of the fine folks on here. In my experience, the sooner a teenager can be led or shoved away from the High School BS, peer pressure, my life is ruined type crap the better. Learning that possesions can be gone just as easily as they can be attained is a part of life. Raging hormones and hurt feelings and hurtful words come with the territory, no matter how good or bad of a parent you are. Scarred for life? Yep, I am. Every scar I carry represents a lesson learned the hard way and won't be forgotten. Some are emotional, some are physical, just like each of you carries. Pleasant? Teen years are anything but pleasant for child or parent. It's a tough time and both sides make mistakes because both sides are confused. Fuck the laptop (and runaway's truck). We don't live with the girl, we don't live with the father. Maybe his venting on the web and blasting the laptop saved her a beating or worse.
Sorry for the rant. Material things just clutter lives and cover up problems sometimes.
as a "troubled teen" myself i can say that although he may not have done the best possible thing here,it isn't the worst.i personally would have received similar treatment,and intend to raise my child to understand that everything has consequences.dont think the guy needs psychiatric help,but i do think he was not thinking clearly.the problem with this whole thing is we don't know for sure whats going on for the girl,or her parents.perhaps they really are strict,and act as though they rant,or perhaps she is a fucking brat like so many other kids of my generation and this one.i will say,if my kid did that to me,but more importantly the "cleaning lady" id break her computer too,or give it away something ,but shed never get a new one from me!yes she was just running her mouth as we all do,or have done,just as every kid is going to do,but 15 is near 18,and the real world is right around the corner,and i think she needs to learn that nice cloths/computers/cell phones are not a requirement in life,they are a privilege,and just like in grownup land your privileges can be taken away,also every kid is different and maybe she hasn't responded well to other lesser measures and they are sick of it..when i was a kid,i had to do sooooo much it was extremely hard on me,my mom recognizes that now,but even though it was more than i should have had to do (maybe) it wasn't more than i COULD do.I AM A BETTER PERSON FOR ALL OF IT!do i want to do everything the same when my child comes?certainly not,but i learned to act respectfully to adults,unless they treated me badly first,i learned the value of a buck,because if i wanted one i had to work (extra chores,or collect aluminum cans or whatever),i learned that whether you(as a child) think your punishment is fair or reasonable it is your consequence for your action,and in big boy land when you do a no no the court may divvy out a punishment that is harsh,so you better get used to it now cuz the big bad world is waiting for you and life aint fair,its one vile fucking task after another between the assholes around you,to the law,to the chores you must do that you just don't wana do on a day to day basis.
well theres my take on the whole thing...i don't think he's wrong,however i woulda maybe maybe done it a bit different by the way if you go to the guys Facebook you will have some more insight into whats really join on.
seems like i always am the guy with the looooooooong posts.haha
bought into the Facebook mania..
she grows up to be a great piece of ass,that'll go a long way to getting whatever she wants.
It's obvious that there is a highly adversarial "relationship" between this father and daughter. The first question that occurs to me is how did it get so toxic!? Toxic relationships between fathers [and mothers for that matter] with their children do not just spring up spontaneously.
Here are some of my observations based on experience, and NOT too much book learnin'.
1) As the kids are learning and growing, and being socialized, if you as a parent, get "compliance" by your own anxiety driven "niceness" [or else they won't love me], the kids learn that they have got you by the short hairs, and they will be continually conditioned to get what they want, by inducing more and more anxiety in you. To me, that is the real operational definition of "spoiling".
2) The exact opposite is to be what some people call the "critical parent"; one who rules by fear, generally and sheer terror at times; one who is NEVER wrong even if the child can see that is not true; one who demands strict compliance OR ELSE. What does that do? Almost everyone knows about frustration-aggression; We fought a war of independence because of a "critical parent" King, who gave us no wiggle room and needed to get his A$$ kicked.
Now think about a kid who has been, in his/her young years been treated as in #1 above, and later after that conditioning, gets hit between the eyes with #2 because at least one parent can't stand it anymore--"that ain't the way I was brought up"!! [I won't comment on who, in this case got to that point, but I am sure you can guess].
You can understand that the kid is between the devil and the deep blue sea. The aggression you heard should be no surprise--what most people heard was a spoiled, disrespectful teen- ager. What I heard was a kiid who had been led to believe she was "due" the goodies, but on the way never learned respect, because she never got any from her father. Mixed messages all the way from childhood to teenage years.
So what's to be done? The answer, partially, lies in growing kids to understand that the game of "gimmethat-or I won't love you" is not going to work, and also as parents to be smart enough to know that the "Critical-Parent" style will ultimately lead to "WAR". The alternative is a different style some people call "Nurturing-Parent"---No spoiling and no war!! But that is a whole other discussion.
is because he used a firearm judging from the six billion comments about it that I have read today. If he would have run it over with his truck, smashed it with a hammer, given it to good will, nobody would have cared. Life has been stated, there are consequences....Did he do the right thing by taking the laptop away? Yes, perhaps the fashion in which he did it was IMO a bit over the top, but that's his business.
eh, screw it...
I think it is some lonely guy wanting to make him self a world wide web star has a old PC and gun and a lame story plus thinks he might be on real tv show for this,There is times I wanted to shoooooooooot my PC for going slow,etc lol. in a month or yr this guy is nothing....TY
I figure he failed in a huge way...
1. His daughter is now holding onto at least a years worth of Drama Queen Mana. It will hold full power with her groupies for at least a month before diminishing at all. *fail*
2. He showed the world of Feeble Minded that he is willing to be the flavor of the month as the Gun Nut of the World, for free... SUCCESS!
give us all a "black eye" when they do this shit! I don't care what his relationship with his daughter is, I got my own problems....But this is....Fodder for the Libs.....I agree with a lot of what LLE said, he is wise and I hold him in high regard but this Dad airing this laundry in public is stupid and 'shooting up' the computer is reckless towards our cause to say the least.It makes us all look like a bunch of 'rednecks' that are heavily armed (which I believe we are) but for Christ sake's, 'keep it on the down low'!
The reason I talked about psychiatric help is---Despite the father sounding reasonably rational, the " act" of shooting a laptop belonging to his daughter, is reflective of symbolically shooting HIS DAUGHTER. He dealt with HIS frustration this time, symbolically, but WHAT ABOUT NEXT TIME!? The act, itself, is an act of terror, designed to frighten his daughter into compliance. That makes me, and probably most shrinks [ I am not a shrink] wonder how far over the line he has gone.
I am 'living' this dude's pain, going through the same shit with a 15 yo boy and soon a 12 yo girl, but I will go about it in a different manner, to each their own I suppose........His mom 'cracked' his Facebook account and not me (we are no longer married, 10 years divorced) but he "flipped out"....Not my 'deal dude', I didn't do it!.....It's the same old song, generation gap
learned later it wasn't his bike. lol
I guess the owner must've been no little and quite some pissed. I once saw a guy playing golf, get so pissed that he threw his whole bag of clubs into the lake he had just hit his ball into. Then he thought better of it, and had to hire a ball retriever diver to go get them---- very expensive round of golf.
I'm not justifying what this guy did, but from my own experience when I was a teen, it might have worked. My father did something similar when I was young. It was my guitar amp and he was pissed because I was playing it too loud. He took it and blew it away with his shotgun.
Was it over the top? Yes. Did I just get pissed at him? Yes. BUT... it was so over the top and so extreme that it shook this dipshit teen (me) right into reality. Again, not justifying it, but I can see when maybe there are times where an extreme reaction like this would be all that would get through to a teenager who (like many left wingers) are completely separated from reality and so self centered, no "reason" will reach them.