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5 years 31 weeks ago, 10:59 AM

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i think we should vote 'ol Ted in to office.

http://splodetv.com/ted-nugent-has-some-words-obama-and-hillary

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 11:13 AM

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I may think of Obama or Hillary, personally or politically, that kind of stuff is a public abomination..Why not do something positive, for what he believes in, rather than vomit his anger and rabble-rouse?

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 11:37 AM

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and what we have now is an "obama-nation"

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 11:51 AM

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LLE, if you have ever read about any of Ted Nugent's programs or views, you would know he is doing more positive for America than any liberal out there. He has youth programs that take kids from all walks of life and teaches them the joys of the natural world, He is an outspoken conservationist and die-hard critic of big government. Ted Nugent is my hero because he is a rock star who has flat refused the pressures to engage in drugs and alcohol. The number of fence-straddling mushmouthed pussies on both sides of the aisle have contributed to the emasculation of America. Ted Nugent says what he believes and if someone doesn't agree, well, we're in the USA. You're allowed to do that. For now.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 12:00 PM

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you described are clearly admirable. His behavior, on that video, was not.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 11:56 AM

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Does Not include the right to instigate or incite a riot or other chaotic actions on the part of large groups of people.
As for your second sentence, you need to explain what you mean, if you want others to understand your point of view.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 12:02 PM

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He did not instigate

At no point in the video did he tell the audience they should force any elected official to sit on his machine gun. He did not incite anything at all, he simply stated his opinion.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 12:11 PM

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is your opinion, which is valuable, but not necessarily synonymous with the "TRUTH", in case something dangerous happened contiguous with the concert.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 12:19 PM

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obama-nation

what i mean by that is that what we will have now is a more powerful government that will not only tell us (like LLE) that we can't say how we feel, but will force us not to be able to.
did ted incite a riot that i missed?, did anyone hear any opposition to what he was saying?
LLE, i am very proud that i fought on foreign soil so you and everyone els here could speak their minds. what enables you to tell us what is right or wrong, or what we should or shouldn't do? sorry to hurt your liberal feelings.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 12:26 PM

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person here, who fought "on foreign soil", and I am not telling anyone what they should or should not say or think. If you want anarchy, I suggest you start with lynch mobs. Your criticism of me has missed the mark.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 12:52 PM

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is that Ted Nugent is inciting anarchy by stating what he believes in? he is doing so by saying how he feels in front of a crowd?
ABSOLUTE LIBERAL INSANITY!

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 3:32 PM

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to argue from a position of logic, then your strategy obviously is to put some words into the speech of your opponent[words which were not there] and label that idea emotionally, so as to "win" the arguement....not a very convincing procedure.
I did not equate Nugent's on-video speech with inciting or even supporting anarchy. You need to reread my postings carefully.
As for the "LIBERAL INSANITY" label, since you seem to need a political positioning, my opinion and "speech" on the matter being discussed is actually far right Conservative; It is called "Strict Constructionism", ie, it may very well have been that Ted's "speech" could have caused a "clear and present danger" leading to "imminent lawless actions" on the part of members of the [possibly high or inebriated] audience.
Not a particularly pretty picture.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 3:50 PM

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that is the problem

liberal Americans (that includes most everything you have said), are always ranting, "if", "what if", and we shouldn't say this or that because it might hurt someones feelings. my point is this, Ted stated what he believes, (not what you or i think) and to say that he would be, or should be responsible for what someone in that crowd "might" do, is insane. you might as well side with the people that believe a gun manufacturer is responsible when someone is killed with a gun. and you question my logic?
i bet you thought that Ozzy Ozbourne should have been indicted when that kid killed himself while listening to Suicide Solution.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 5:51 PM

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is the inability to argue without labeling, whether it is you or Mr. Nugent. If I heard correctly, "piece of shit", "bitch" and "whore" are labels; if he has an argument about some grievance or disatisfaction, where is it? If he argues, angrily, form a position of tearing down the reputation or character of the people he is unhappy with, he has figuratively castrated himself. If YOU argue from a position of labeling a strict constructionist approach, "liberal", you do the same thing.
You MAY be interested that IF---yes there is that word again-- If damage and/or injury were caused by members of the audience after rising to the fever pitch heard on tape, the individuals proven to have perpetrated the acts, would be properly charged and prosecuted. BUT in addition, all who were injured or who were damaged would have a very good cause of action either individually or jointly, against Mr. Nugent. Your gun-causing-killing assertion lacks logic regarding my own beliefs, but it also proves a point. Human beings have volition, guns do not. Nugent had volition-- to stir up, or NOT to stir up, to foment or NOT to foment, to incite or Not to incite. IMO. It looked and sounded like he was getting off on the increasing crowd noise, and just couldn't control himself-ergo--loss of volition.
Finally, you have used the words "insanity" and "insane" in this discussion. I wonder if you might please give us all your definition of those terms.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 3:53 PM

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Excellent response and very well worded. Invariably we all that contribute here will, and do have different opinions. It pays to read carefully prior to judgement on anyones postings, and then possible you add to forum a more intelligent design.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 4:01 PM

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well put

papasan,generally i try to do the same just sometimes my irish temper shows up!lol

5 years 31 weeks ago, 4:07 PM

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Greasy, as I know you are undoubtedly aware off the Bill of Rights, we here need to keep in mind the Bill of Responsibilities, they can be a bit tougher to define, but none the less just as important to good conversation and friendship, plus we learn more about what makes up the Union of our many States.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 3:55 PM

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i will intervene here on one point.i went to his concert a few months ago.the majority of the people there were 50+ years old!yeah,they were drinking but this isnt exactly the "imminent lawless action"societal group here!made my 31 years feel very young!

5 years 31 weeks ago, 2:04 PM

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good for ted

he's just exercising his 1st (and 2nd) amendment right(s)!

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 3:18 PM

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exactly

thanks reaper. at least some of us believe in the constitution.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 6:55 PM

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Your disparaging comments on Ted Nugent's conduct appear to stem from some primarily emotional base. While Mr Nugent did utilize some derogatory terminology in the course of his monologue, The net result of his diatribe was a confirmation of the connection he has with a largely disaffected portion of the citizenry. His somewhat vulgar use of the vernacular may have acted as a catalyst for an impending revolution, or it may have acted as a catalyst for an increased level of socio-political awareness within his audience. By focusing on the possible results of his less-than-eloquent speech, you are demonstrating the same emotional characterisitics of a juvenile female. I implore you to look past the content of his conversation with his audience and see the feeling of abandonment and mistrust the objects of his wrath has precipitated with their elitist views and comments. See? I didn't even need a thesaurus and I can play your game. Big words do not a wise man make.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 7:07 PM

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I played that game in college... worked like a charm! lol

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
5 years 31 weeks ago, 7:54 PM

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samD will probably tell you, much to his disapproval, that that is my actual vocabulary, without recourse to thesaurus or other such crutches.LOL

Emotional base?? Do you want me to believe Mr. Nugent has absolutely no responsibility for his own behavior? I do not believe that, any more than IF he were to have falsely shouted "fire!" in that concert location, just for fun. By focusing on the possible results of his less-than-eloquent speech, I am demonstrating, clearly, the content of Mr. Nugent's character. [Sorry you had to sneak in a labelling of me. You apparently think that label is appropriately derogatory; But once more, we see an effete argumentation characterized by an apparently felt necessity to purely demean the "speaker".] You do not need my permission to do that, but think about what that means to others of our intelligent readers.
I have never appreciated satire, but your posting gets a C, because the contents, although somewhat derisive, are also a little humorous; I could not give you a higher grade because you have been unable to discern the difference between game-playing and honest discourse.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 6:58 PM

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Stirring people up?

Barack Obama's rallys stir people up. Should we blame him for Mccain/Palin posters that might have been destroyed or vandalized after one of his speeches?

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 7:32 PM

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Obama should be hold accountable for the destroyed and vandalized to McCain/Palin posters after his speeches. Go Ted, feel free to let the people know the truth and what in the constitution. I get upset on how the liberals think they have a right to believe one way and if you don't believe that way you are not human.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 10:31 PM

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When I went to the firehouse to vote on election day there was a McCain yard sign on the grass across the street and a few others for State positions, when I drove by later in the day that sign had been torn down and some punk had replaced it with an Obama sign....I don't care WHO you are voting for....any infringment on someone's freedom of speech is intolerable and is unfortunately from what I can tell a liberal sentiment and is apparently acceptable to them. Funny little story with that. One of my professors is a Retired Briggadeer General and he had a McCain sign in his front lawn, someone stole it, so he put another out, someone took that, he decided to take action so he built a display case for his sign and coated the inside of it with some sort of sticky substance, that too was destroyed, so finally he climbed the telephone pole and put the sign up there and coated the bottom of the pole in grease so nobody could get up there....

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You are focusing more on the ramifications of what Nugent's speech "might" do. Of course he should be held responsible for his own actions. You are attempting to hold him responsible for the possible actions of the audience members who get too stirred-up by Mr nugent's monologue. If Mr Nugent were to shout "fire", and people got hurt, he would be responsible, because that is illegal. He is not shouting "fire", he is shouting for elected officials, people who voluntarily put themselves in the spotlight for public scrutiny, to sit on his machine guns. While the words he may use are considered offensive by some, the message is nothing more than that of disapproval for the policies and views of those targeted people. At no point did Mr Nugent suggest those individuals should lose any of their basic rights, nor did he suggest they should not be allowed to protect themselves or their loved ones from harm or from opressive government. The same cannot be said for the individuals whom Mr Nugent directed his comments to. I will not resort to the tactic of questioning your support for the ability to exercise our basic rights, but your apparently delicate nature has taken "center stage" (hah hah) for too long now and is becoming rather boring. Ultimately, the best solution is to stop watching the video and watch something more appropriate. Perhaps the bikini-clad girls firing automatic weapons would help soothe the irritation of seeing an American icon doing what he does best-pissing people off and getting out an important message at the same time.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:16 PM

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it is, then he should fairly, but passionately argue why he disapproves of the policies and views of the "targeted people"[an interesting choice of words].

I do regret having become rather boring; however, you seem to have been captivated enough by my language and deathless prose to have counselled me on what to watch. You have misdiagnosed my concern for "irritation". I am not at all irritated, although I will admit to you, I AM amazed at Mr. N's overt behavior in the case we discussed. If that is exemplary of his every-day on stage behavior, and that is what he calls getting out an important message, we are in deep trouble, especially if people see him as an Americam icon.

I, and my "delicate nature"--
now relinquish center stage, and exit, stage RIGHT.

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I'm with LLE on this one....

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 10:10 PM

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However, that might get you in some trouble, here! LOL

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 10:18 PM

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That is the story of my life....haha

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 10:15 PM

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LLE,look for his CNN interview with Glenn Beck.it will give you a better feel for this man than the video clip here.this wasnt his finest minute.i think this video put a bad taste in your mouth.or as i have done read his books.God,Guns And Rock And Roll is a great read,his newestis Ted,White And Blue(i havent read it yet).he is as good a writer as he is a musician

5 years 31 weeks ago, 11:12 PM

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that LLE is not at least somewhat open-minded. I will do some reading and since I watch Glenn, I cant figure how I missed that one, but I will look for it. I know he is a "musician"--I am too, but he would not care for my style, and I do not understand his. LOL. Nevertheless, if he is a musician, he has great worth to this society and culture.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 12:44 AM

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never let it be said that i think you are closed minded.i know that it is not the case.i dont know your experience with or about the nuge and just didnt want you to write him off as a foul mouthed whacko,for that is not the case.

5 years 30 weeks ago, 4:44 AM

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gentleman and a scholar, and a good judge of Old Dudes!!

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 10:56 PM

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I have both books.

This video of ted Nugent is taken at one of his concerts. He is a musician. At another concert years back, he pulled a tarp off an M2 .50 MG, said, "Hey Janet Reno, I got your assault weapon right here!", and began firing off blank rounds over the crowd. They loved it. Raw, unforgiving, point-blank language is one of the things he is known-and admired-for. Greasy is right, the interview shows a different person altogether. Look at the messages and antics demonstrated by other musicians or, god forbid, rappers. Mr Nugent's offensive nature pales in comparison with the assault on decency and morals of mainstream America found in concerts of many others. Musicians have gimmicks. Mr Nugent's gimmick just happens to be a louder, more profane version of his views on the attack and deliberate erosion of the independent, free American spirit by those who would have us live in a government-run nanny state. For those of you who may be easily offended by this sort of showmanship in front of a crowd of people who paid to see him, knowing his message, I highly recommend borrowing a copy of his books, "God, Guns, and Rock 'n Roll" or "Ted, White and Blue". Better yet, buy them both. You will find, especially when he discusses the wonders of being a part of nature by hunting, an intelligent, well-spoken man who shatters any and all notions of how a rock star is.

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I don't think he's a very good musician, but that's primarily because i don't like that style of motown inspired rock. But that's my opinion. Again, for samD's benefit, I'm keeping my asshole to myself.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 12:46 AM

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i hope that thru a bit of reading others will come to understand mr nugent

5 years 30 weeks ago, 7:13 AM

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particularly like this comment. I just read the piece on Ted Nugent in Wikipedia and I am not overly impressed. Yes, I am for his anti-drug, and anti-alcohol stances especially regarding children, and his work with MADD and Big Brothers/Sisters is admirable. I also really do not quarrel with his politics, except for what has already been discussed. I certainly do not accept his avoiding Viet-Nam era military service using subterfuge.
To a certain extent, after reading the Wikipedia piece, Ted reminds me very much of Don Imus, except that Ted seems to have been at least a little more careful in his public pronouncements. I do suspect that Don may have been been a role model for Ted, and that ain't nothin' to write home about.
I will read more.

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doesn't necessarily mean you should do that thing or say those words...just sayin'

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