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5 years 47 weeks ago, 7:15 PM

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Group sues to reinstate firearms ban

By JESSE J. HOLLAND – 6 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence sued the Bush administration Tuesday in hopes of stopping a new policy that would allow people to carry concealed, loaded guns in most national parks and wildlife refuges.

"The Bush administration's last-minute gift to the gun lobby, allowing concealed semiautomatic weapons in national parks, jeopardizes the safety of park visitors in violation of federal law," said Paul Helmke, the group's president. "We should not be making it easier for dangerous people to carry concealed firearms in our parks."

An Interior Department spokeswoman refused to comment on the lawsuit, saying the department does not discuss pending litigation.

The Brady Campaign sued the Interior Department and its secretary, Dirk Kempthorne, as well as the leaders of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the National Park Service in U.S. District Court. They want a federal judge to issue an immediate injunction stopping the elimination of the 25-year-old federal rule that severely restricts loaded guns in national parks.

The Interior Department rule overturns a Reagan-era regulation that has restricted loaded guns in parks and wildlife refuges. The previous regulation required that firearms be unloaded and placed somewhere that is not easily accessible, such as in a car trunk.

But under a rule to take effect in January, visitors will be able to carry a loaded gun into a park or wildlife refuge — but only if the person has a permit for a concealed weapon and if the state where the park or refuge is located also allows concealed firearms.

The rules change would take effect before President-elect Barack Obama takes office in January. Overturning the rule would take months or even years if the Obama administration wanted to, since it would require the new administration to restart the lengthy rule-making process.

The lawsuit said members of the Brady Campaign will no longer visit national parks and refuges "out of fear for their personal safety from those who will now be permitted to carry loaded and concealed weapons in such areas."

5 years 47 weeks ago, 7:59 PM

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these idiots!

i want to carry when i am camping because a tent wont stop a bad guy or a bear!

5 years 47 weeks ago, 8:14 PM

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nope

a tent won't stop me

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5 years 47 weeks ago, 9:23 PM

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good to hear we are gaining our gun rights back slowly here. Now i can safly go to national parks with out worrying that i will run into an irrational moron who opposes self defense. and as an added bonus i will be able to stop a criminal who tries to harm/rob me

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5 years 47 weeks ago, 11:12 PM

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What is he talking about, "The Bush administration's last-minute gift to the gun lobby, allowing concealed semiautomatic weapons in national parks, jeopardizes the safety of park visitors in violation of federal law," said Paul Helmke, the group's president. "We should not be making it easier for dangerous people to carry concealed firearms in our parks." Last time I checked, in order to get a CCW you had to pass a background check. Also, I doubt very much that people will be allowed to go out target shooting in Yellowstone. The only "dangerous people" that I have seen in N.P.s are parents who let their children charge into buffalo herds, drive like they are the only ones there while looking at children charging into buffalo herds and those that take off hiking for miles with no food or water and become lost. Then they put the lives of those that work there in jeopardy by having to go look for thier dumb asses. It's great when they start signal fires that burn up those precious National Parks too, fucking idiots!

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." Kevin Spacey: (The Usual Suspects)
5 years 47 weeks ago, 11:15 PM

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national parks!

i am in a different situation!my kids think that we should hunt the buffalo in yellowstone,they like buffalo meat and they think we should helicopter hunt the wolf out of existance because he(the wolf)kills buffalo that we can eat!fire up the bar b q here come my kids!god love them!

5 years 47 weeks ago, 11:21 PM

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Your kids are brave

I have never seen a wolf in my life (except on TV) But we do ha Coyotes and Coons. No Tatankas though.

5 years 47 weeks ago, 11:28 PM

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a wolf or a coyote? Or a coon for that matter?

Go ahead punk, Make My Day!
5 years 47 weeks ago, 11:31 PM

Anonymous

dog meat

coyote is only ok if you are hungry(try skinning your pet dog,they look the same naked(minus skin!))coon is pretty tasty actually!porcupine is real good and possum is good in a stew or something(the grease is kinda strong!)never had wolf!

5 years 47 weeks ago, 11:31 PM

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In whatever National Park is in Estes Colorado, I believe its Rocky Mt. National Park the Elk herds are so out of control there that they are destroying thier own habitat. As for the National Refuges, you can hunt some of them, mostly for waterfowl. Most of the refuges used to be old ranches that went under, the government forclosed on them for extortion "tax" money and now waste millions of tax dollars each year to "manage" them. The federal government should have no authority over any sort of "public lands". Each individual state should have the ability to take care of its own natural resources, if the people of our United States feel that it is appropriate for some level of government within their respective states to do so. Federal taxes should only go to interstate highway systems, some waterways, the military, and then return whatever may be left over goes back to the states.

I know, I got off course. It happens. Just one of my tangents.

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5 years 47 weeks ago, 11:34 PM

Anonymous

game management

should be left to the folks who know it!scientists and the game department!the voters have no f-in clue when it comes to game management and should never be allowed to vote on management of our game animals!

5 years 47 weeks ago, 5:25 AM

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HEY--HEY--HEY!!!!

GreaseMeister---and here I thought you were a "real" Conservative. Do you really want to take the vote away from people because you believe they do not know or cannot educate themselves about wildlife and game management. NOT ME. If there is such an issue in my state, I want to read up on it, do some research, come to an educated conclusion, and then vote, just the way people have done for centuries in the USA.
If I have a voting right, I do not want it taken away by big government. THAT could get to be a very dangerous habit.

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5 years 47 weeks ago, 6:09 AM

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So members of the Brady campaign won't go into national parks out of fear? Good. Let 'em keep their bitch asses at home. Make the hikes through the parks nicer for us.

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5 years 47 weeks ago, 6:57 AM

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Geasy possum

dangerous people carrying concealed firearms is why us law abiding canceled carry permit holders should be able to carry in National parks, although it happens from time to time you don’t see gun toting thugs running up on the local police station and shooting folks. Thugs are lazy and choose easy targets, like locations that our wonderful government for whatever reason will not allow law abiding citizens to carry weapons. About possum, you have to catch them live pin them up and feed them table scraps for about a week to clean them out and lessen the greasy gamey taste.

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