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6 years 13 weeks ago, 3:28 PM

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What a crock written by a Bozo...

Comedian Chris Rock once said that if bullets cost more money, say a couple thousand dollars each, there would be no stray bullets or accidental shootings. It's funny for a few minutes because it is so true.Although, certainly not a laughing matter, gun control laws are about as ridiculous as the people who cling to them.

Instead of worrying about public safety, gun owners are worried about their right to bear arms.

But there are some laws that need to be adapted with the times to suit the needs and well-being of the people.

The problem is how easy it is to purchase a gun and how easy it is to get out of trouble if you are irresponsible with that gun.

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Most gun owners don't carry them in their back pocket. So they are out of sight and out of mind.

And yes, most gun owners aren't involved in illegal activity.

However, many of them aren't responsible gun owners because they think it is not their problem if a gun is stolen and used in a crime.

Accountability is something that needs to be addressed throughout our society. Excuses can not be tolerated when innocent people are dying.

Children die everyday because either their parents are too lazy to make sure their gun is inaccessible or because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time when bullets from a stolen gun are sprayed across an unsuspecting city block.

People get so caught up in their right to have a gun that they lose sight of what is important: Public safety.

I know there are some legitimate hunters who think they are allowed to have semi-automatic guns too. It is ridiculous to call yourself a sportsman if you need to use a semi-automatic gun. Each shot should be carefully calculated, not just haphazardly shot repeatedly in seconds in the approximate direction of an animal.

These guns, the ones that should never hit the streets, are getting into the hands of criminals and innocent people are dying. Why? Because guns get stolen.

In my opinion, there is no legitamate use for civilians to use a semi-automatic weapon.

Some guns are stolen while others are the example of a "straw purchase" or purchase made by a third-party. These people who buy the guns for criminals are just as guilty of whatever crime is committed by the criminal's who use them.

Crimes plague the inner-city streets and creep into the so-called "safe zone" of the suburbs because of accessibity.

Gun restrictions are inevitable, especially when you hear about children dying on the street corner because drug dealers are in some sort of gang war. When innocent people get killed due to the irresponsibility of a gun owner or loose laws, then it is time to re-evaluate the safety of everyone and how laws can protect everyone.

There is no reason why the rights of individuals in this country should make it easy for criminals to kill or handicap people.

Gun shows are the worst example of how the private sector can hurt the public sector. A gun, which is a deadly weapon, should only be purchased after a person proves they are not crazy or some career criminal. Thorough background checks need to be made because it is a matter of life and death.

Guns should never be put in the wrong hands because we are simply trying to protect gun owners' rights. What about the rights of those who are being hurt by guns?

Besides gun owners being more responsible by not allowing children to hunt, not allowing children to gain access to a gun closet and the added protection of a trigger lock, there needs to be stricter laws to raise people's awareness that with privilege comes responsibility.

We should never take rights away from people, but homicides are most often committed with guns, especially handguns.

I'm not real sure what type of hunting requires a handgun. And I'm pretty sure there are more effective ways for personal protection other than keeping a handgun around.

In the event of a home invasion, for example, by the time the individual gets to that "locked" handgun, they could already be dead.

So the handgun is not exactly the best option in personal protection. Not to mention the fact that the same gun intended to protect could actually be used against the victim.

Illegal/stolen guns are also killing police officers who vow to serve and protect the public.

Police officers are dying because criminals have too many rights.

It is time for people to see the other side of this issue. Go and speak with someone who lost a loved one due to a senseless act of violence with a gun. Then come and preach about rights.

6 years 13 weeks ago, 3:44 PM

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why should i as a rsponsible gun enthusiast be told i cant have a semi automatic firearm?a single shot firearm kills just the same!as far as criminals having guns and using them in crimes,make the punishment fit the crime.it isnt a big deal to get a couple more years on a conviction because he used a gun.we need to follow the examples of some foreign countries when it comes to crime.you steal you get your hand cut off.you murder you go in front of a firing squad.an eye for an eye!

6 years 13 weeks ago, 4:23 PM

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I agree with greasy

The punishment for committing a crime should NEVER fall back on the legal gun owner. We all abide by and submit to a code of conduct both by law and by nature. We should not be punished for the wrongdoings of someone who does not abide by these.......Stronger laws and more severe punishment against the criminal is the only way to reduce crime....

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 4:39 PM

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I agree

i agree

6 years 13 weeks ago, 6:12 PM

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They don't want you to own a gun period! The criminals have more rights then we do. We are all sub human for wanting to own a firearm.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 7:07 PM

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You know what

I was talking to my grandfather over dinner tonight and we came to this conclusion. It is easier to attack those who wish to abide by the law than it is to attack criminals, by this I mean we who abide by and follow the law and are responsible in the care, understanding, use and sport of these guns and laws are more easily persuaded to do the right thing with them. This is why we are responsible. However, the criminal is not and does not abide by laws and gives all gun owners a bad name. I think we need to find a way to bring them back into the common culture of America and shut these punks up who think that because some scumbag wants to commit a crime all of us good people have to suffer.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 8:23 PM

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i was talking with my sister over dinner,she works as a surgical technician in a large hospital.the topic of gun control came up and she went off about the damage getting shot does to the body and how guns should be regulated.she then went into what kind of regulation and checking out the intended buyer.i explained to her that all these things are already in place!i then told her that more people died last year from the wrong medication their doctor prescribed to them than died by being shot.boy did that shut her down!i then told her when a criminal breaks into her house and robs her blind to come see me afterwards,i will set her up for personal protection(she lives alone in the city)!

6 years 13 weeks ago, 9:00 PM

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yeah

Maybe, while they're at it they should take away our right to drive cars since 16,000 teens die every year from being terrible drivers and because according to statistics one person dies every 12 minutes in a car accident!

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 9:53 PM

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Doctors kill more people than guns, alot more if I seen it right, it is something like 6,849 people die to 1 gun death.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 11:23 PM

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This jackass is a total idiot. so he wants to blame the law biding citizen who purchased the firearm legaly, because some scumbag criminal stole it from them?? thats insane why dont you punish the ppl who are comiting the crime like greasypaws said an eye for an eye. But this is typical liberal shit lots of claims with absoulty no facts i sure hope ppl are not dumb enough to just believe shit they read, without independent conformation, but that is false hope...\\

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 3:17 AM

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I agree that we have a violence problem in our society and that many irresponsible people get there hands on weapons they should not have (which, by definition makes them "illegal weapons"). If someone wants to bring violence upon another person, however, they will find a way, just as humans have done for thousands of years. Banning guns only forces those violent types to find other means of destruction, such as the good-old-fashioned kitchen knife.

Somewhere I have heard that more people are stabbed to death in our country than are shot to death--is this true? Shall we then ban kitchen knives? Or should we register them, or turn them in for "safe keeping." Just think, on thanksgiving, we could all go down and "check out" out our own carving knives from whomever gets to keep them for us. The next day, we would need to bring them back so that no one could steal them from our homes.

On another note, I have always wondered about those who wish to ban semi-autos. What is the standard here? Many hunting rifles are semi-auto in some way--either they are true semi's or they are "high output" in that they can fire ant a rapid place in capable hands. For instance, is my lever-action 30-30 part of a ban? Even though it has a fairly small magazine capacity by modern standards, I could still do some damage in a crowd in a hurry.

My point in all this rambling is that "they" really don't know what they are talking about. They focus on assault rifles, but generally ignore the hunting rifles. They forget that Charles Whitman didn't have an AK-47 at his disposal.

Bottom line is that I think eventually they'll say, "Hell, they are ALL dangerous, let's take them all."

6 years 13 weeks ago, 4:46 AM

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being misunderstood, again: If you want some good facts to dispel many of the MYTHS, go to:

www.gunfacts.info/

This is a great resource for us. It should be required reading for your Sister, Mr. GreasyPaws.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 5:47 AM

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71% of gunshot victims had previous arrest records.
64% had been convicted of a crime.Each had an average of 11 prior arrests.
63% of victims have criminal histories and 73% of the time they know their assailant (twice as often as victims without criminal histories.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 9:02 AM

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i dont think you wrote this cuz it sounds like it came from someone who doesnt think there should be semi-auto or handguns.i do agree that gun owners need to be responsible where they store them and there ammo, teach your kids about proper gun safty but that is part of the problem if you have kids you need to be teachin them guns are not toys but take them out and let them shoot so when they see a gun at a fiends house there not so curious to pick it up and play with it

6 years 13 weeks ago, 9:48 AM

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I didnot write it

Nor do I believe in it. We as responsible gun owners are not the ones to be punished. This was written by a left wing wacko anti-gunner, who would probably shit him/her self at the sight of a gun, either end of it...
Food for thought and a discussion starting tool, that has seemed to work.
Let's keep the good dialogue going. If you want to read some good stuff, try John Lott, Edgar Suter and a few others and have your facts ready for the next kook you meet!

6 years 13 weeks ago, 11:02 AM

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well i didnt think it looked like somthing that would come from you.It does raise thoughts on the way some of these people think,if you take the guns from the responsible owners that obide by the laws then the only gun owners left are the criminals and cops and there is way more crininals than cops.

6 years 13 weeks ago, 11:04 AM

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Amen to that!
I fear the government that fears my guns!

6 years 13 weeks ago, 11:50 AM

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The guns are not shooting anyone, the people are. While I do believe we can do more to keep guns out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them, it's easier for the powers that be to make all gun owners liable and just do whatever they can to get rid of all of them...easy way out, not the best or right way.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 12:28 PM

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i agree

this is a at blame society in other words somone no matter what happened is to blame there has to be someone to point a finger at but with me its usally the middle

6 years 13 weeks ago, 6:03 AM

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A thought

“Can a eunuch argue that you should not have sex? What about a priest? Then can an unarmed person argue about gun control?”
- John Steinbeck

6 years 13 weeks ago, 8:31 AM

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Steinbeck's writing. But I must confess, I may be too dumb to understand what in Heaven's name he was getting at with that quote. Logically, a eunuch might have the intellectual capability to argue such a thing. Whether or not the argument would have validity is questionable. The same might be true for for a [celebate] priest. Certainly, we are continually beseiged by "unarmed" persons arguing for gun control, and my guess is they are so consumed with emotion, that most of them do not CARE that they do not know much about the facts of the topic.
If that was what Steinbeck was observing rhetorically--that the unarmed and unknowing cannot VALIDLY argue for gun control, then I agree wholeheartedly, even though he was a flaming Liberal.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 8:35 AM

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Apparently a respectable one though!

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 9:28 AM

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T shirt:

"If guns kill people, then...

-pencils mis-spell words.

-cars make people drive drunk.

-spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat." ;>))

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 9:35 AM

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true that a good one

especally the last one

6 years 12 weeks ago, 7:54 PM

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gun stats

here is a good place to read about what gun control has done and how gun control advocats misrepresent already bad data. theres a lot there and its a lil old but it still holds true.

http://gunsandcrime.org/

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6 years 12 weeks ago, 6:15 AM

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BS !!!

I live in MD now and just read a Washington Post article about this subject today. The article said that of the guns retrieved in DC murder cases (last year I think) - 76% came from MD which is one of the most anti-gun states in America (excluding CA/NY/NJ/MA)...the rest were traced to VA....DC had the toughest anti-gun ban in the country at the time (no handguns after 1976 - period - and long guns must be kept EMPTY OR LOCKED in the house!!!) Yet DC has not one gun shop or dealer....so where is the control???? ( The Supreme Court recently threw out the ban as unconstitutional --- ya think??!!!) Now if we can fix the rest of the story ....MD...NY...NJ...I bet the crime rate would practically disappear! I'm thinking bad guys aren't so brave when they stand an equal chance of gettin blown away!

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