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4 years 29 weeks ago, 10:25 PM

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Guns Allowed in Arizona Bars Starting Wednesday

Tuesday, September 29, 2009

PHOENIX — Bartender Randy Shields was serving British brews and Arizona ambers as usual at Shady's bar in east Phoenix when he saw a customer walk in with a hunting knife strapped to his hip.

A disturbing image flashed through his mind — "that knife sliding between my ribs."

The customer willingly turned over the knife while he was in the bar, but Shields still worries about a new Arizona law that goes into effect Wednesday that will allow guns into Arizona bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.

Under the law, backed by the National Rifle Association, the 138,350 people with concealed-weapons permits in Arizona will be allowed to bring their guns into bars and restaurants that haven't posted signs banning them.

Those carrying the weapons aren't allowed to drink alcohol.

The new law has Shields and other bar owners and workers wondering: What's going to happen when guns are allowed in an atmosphere filled with booze and people with impaired judgment?

"Somebody can pull the trigger, then a bullet comes out, and people get hurt and killed," said Brad Henrich, owner of Shady's, a popular neighborhood bar that sees occasional minor scuffles. "The idea of anyone coming in with guns in a place that serves alcohol just seems ludicrous."

An 8 1/2-by-11-inch sign that says "No Firearms Allowed" and shows a red slash over a gun now hangs next to Henrich's liquor license. If a bar owner does not post such a state-approved sign, people with concealed weapons are allowed in with their guns.

There is no way to track how many of Arizona's 5,800 bars and restaurants that serve alcohol have posted such signs. The Arizona Department of Liquor Licensing and Control has signs available for download on its Web site and doesn't track that figure.

Tuesday, September 29, 2009

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 10:36 PM

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People already carry guns into bars, & have since there have been bars (& people). I played music in the bars & dance halls of Texas, Oklahoma & Louisiana for over 25 years, & we always knew that there were armed customers. Many of us musicians were armed, since we never knew what was going to happen or when we'd have to defend ourselves. In some of the places we played in Houston, especially down by the Port of Houston, you were nuts if you weren't armed. Some guys carried their revolvers in their waistbands, with the butt visible, so the predators would know they were armed, & would leave them alone (& go to some other victim).

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. (Mark Twain).
4 years 29 weeks ago, 11:08 PM

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yes and

the key word here is"concealed".

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 11:44 PM

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Maybe if open carry were legal, the predators would see that they were so outnumbered that if they started anything they'd be shot to pieces in a heartbeat.

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 2:11 PM

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And it only allows for concealed carry. Open carry in a bar is still a no-go. This helps a lot in this state, because a bar in Arizona is any place that serves alcohol. Therefore, Chili's and Applebee's are considered bars. I carried into them anyway. If a business owner doesn't like it, they can put up a sign. If I see the sign, I eat somewhere else. This is how it should be, unlike the smoking ban in this state. I think if a restaurant owner wants to have a smoking section, then it's his/her call. I won't go there because of my son, but that doesn't mean that the state should be able to interfere with a business like that. However, I think a lot of business owners liked the smoking ban, because then they could blame the state and not lose customers. With this CC law, businesses have to let their customers know what they stand for and reap the benefits or suffer the lost revenue, as the case may be. I also think AZ should change the legal definition of a bar. I believe Texas's definition is any place that makes over 50% of it's revenue from alcohol service. I like that one. But in any event, AZ got this one right.

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4 years 27 weeks ago, 12:41 PM

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CCW in a bar

It seems to me that some bar owners in Az are over re-acting, many states already have same law in effect and these states have not seen a blood bath. I don't drink but my wife likes a glass of wine when going out to dinner and I carry 24/7 and I personally know of 2 bars were lives were saved and robbery stopped. Its a shame that the plus side does not come out very often

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4 years 27 weeks ago, 3:42 PM

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Media coverage

The overwhelmingly liberal national media is not about to give any coverage to positive actions by CCW holders. They don't, & seemingly won't report the overwhelming support for firearms by the American public because this run counter to their beliefs of what's right & proper. They also don't report the drop in crime traceable to private firearm ownership and to CCW's.

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