God bless America. and god bless this web site......Guns and tits on the same site. it don't get no better than this shit.
Nice to meet you and join in anytime. Love it all and some great guys and gals on here and friendly and patriotic. Welcome JLC
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Hello and welcome to the site!
damn, now I got to actually look at all those pictures again and find the guns!
eh, thats ok, I always liked wheres Waldo...
my fellow gun lovers. i have a little dilemma. i am a truly 40cal guy. i prefer 40 over anything.(due to the fact that im not to big or skinny and so the 40 cal is the right recoil for me.) i am thinking about getting the jericho 40cal(baby desert eagle) just to have a guy that works in a gun shop argue with me about desert eagle. he claimed that he had a 50 cal deagle jam on him. and so i was wondering about the feed back on the jericho 40cal. right know im thinking either the jericho or the glock 23. i need help with this?
The Jericho is a know off of the CZ and any issues are quickly fixable by your self...
The Desert Eagle has been notorious for FTF, FTE and Stove Piping, Most of it is from improper mechanics for such a heavy load and firearm.
as Reaper mentioned the Glock is fine and voerall one of the most reliable firearms on the market.
You can actually pick up Police Trade in's very cheap, they do not shoot them much though they do show holster wear most times. You can also use the money that you save to trick it out a bit if you like.
I have seen lots of baby eagles FTE and FTF. They seem to be pretty pick with ammo. The G23 will be a lot more reliable.
fill me in with fte and ftf. so far glock1 jericho0
FTE- failure to eject
FTF- failure to feed
Both can be called "jams"
These could be cause by any number of things (picky with ammo, magazine spring, feed ramp, dirty slide, user etc...)
Also, the jericho has to kep kept pretty clean and lubed. Glocks can still fire dirty and dry.
This really depends on if your speaking of the Metal or Poly Jericho...
The reasons the Metal one might have issues are,
a. weak wrist
b. needs a throat job which is extremely simple to do with 2000 dry/wet paper
c. the inner/center rail on the bottom of the slide which pushes the top round in the mag into the breech needs to be cut or cut and polished back a hair at 45 deg angle.
Other than that it should work fine, once those things are done it will forever.
The poly one, I don't have a clue about I've shot a couple but, eh....
Glock would be the way to go if you don't have any preferences to start out.
well that does it. glock it is. thanks guys. is there any website or place i can go to to find a 40 cal barrel for a 1911?
But I would ask why? If it's recoil, as you allude to earlier, the .40S&W has more felt recoil than the .45ACP. And as far as myself personally, I can't tell the difference between them.
But if you are set in doing this, understand that you will need to change out the recoil spring as well and possibly more.
u got a point saint j.m.
crazy shit happen while i was at work. i had my boss listen to a convo i was having with a co worker in where it lead to him having to take me in his office for like the last 3hrs remanding of the shift and he added 2 hrs of o.t. he try so bad to convert me from a 40 to a 45 acp. and to tell u the truth i think i might just convert. i just want the blessing from my fellow gunslot member. and also what feedback can u guys give me on kimbers. i was told it is by far the best 1911. and it has a unique barrel. and if the feedback are good. then i will get a loan for a kimber.
It's up to you, me personally? I'd opt for capacity.
i prefer para ordnance. cuz the make em double stack. i always think of the "what if case" due to the fact that i live in pa. and is common to hear bad news in where it could of all been avoid is a person would of been packing. but i was thinking bout moving to texas, but texas have some bullshit law where u cant carry more than 7 or 8 bullets in ur handgun. and again i was told kimber built 1911 to last. and so i dont want to waste money. i want to get a gun thats is gonna be worth it. so if i dont get the kimber then ill get a double stack para ordnance.
Will, I live in Texas and we don't have any capacity law. You can have a 50round magazine if you could find one.
PARA ORDINANCE 1911 LTC .45ACP NIGHTMARE!
I'VE PURCHASED MY 1911 PARA ORDINANCE LTC IN 2007. FROM THE FIRST DAY THE GUN WAS RELEASE TO ME FROM THE STORE I ALREADY HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE PIECE. THE FIRST PROBLEM I HAD WAS THAT THE GUN WOULD NOT LOAD ANY AMMO AT ALL! THE BULLET WOULD ALWAYS GET STUCK LODGED IN THE BOTTOM OF THE FEEDING RAMP. EVEN CHANGING TO WILSON COMBAT MAGAZINES WOULDN'T CURE THE PROBLEM. I TRIED E-MAILING PARA (IN CANADA) AND GOT NO RESPONSE BACK. CALLING THEM WAS WASTEING MY TIME BEING PUT ON HOLD. FINALLY WHAT I HAD TO DO WAS TAKE IT TO MY GUNSMITH AND POLISH BELOW THE FEEDING RAMP TO CURE THE PROBLEM.
MY SECOND PROBLEM WAS THE MAG CATCH RELEASE BUTTON. IT BROKE WITH LESS THAN 500 ROUNDS PUT INTO IT. BUYING AN AFTERMARKET MAG CATCH DIDN'T FIT EXACTLY. IT HAD TO BE CUSTOM FITTED.
THIRD PROBLEM I HAVE NOW IS THE WEAK-ASS SEAR SPRING THAT IS PUT ON THE GUN. TRYING TO FIND A REPLACEMENT IS A MYSTERY. EVEN BROWNELLS DON'T HAVE ONE?? APPARENTLY, STANDARD 1911'S SEAR SPRINGS DON'T FIT INTO MY GUN.(TOO SHORT)LOOKS LIKE THE PERSON WHO CUT THE SLOT FOR THE SEAR SPRING FOR MY FRAME CUT TOO LOW AND HE/SHE HAD TO BE FABRICATE ONE TO FIT OTHER THAN THROWING THE FRAME AWAY.
if para fall to be a problem then ill just get a kimber and carry to extra clips.
I own a Para Ordnance GI Expert 1911. I have not had any problems with mine. If you would like I recommend checking them out. Or visit a shop that has one and see if ya like it. My GI Expert is bone stock at the moment which I plan to upgrade to my personal likins sooner or later. The factory mags feed fine and I have had no mis-fires or jams. The GI Expert is a fancy pistol for a person like me. A bit large for me to carry but a true 1911 style to show to friends and family a like. I have only fired 107 shots in it since I have bought it. .45 ACP aint cheap and I have to put my college studies first. But all in all please have a look at one when ya can. Or check this link below.
Anyways welcome to gunslot and I hope ya enjoy our little corner of the internet.
$1200.00 one or one that costs even more.
Ruger, Taurus, Para, Springfield all have models around that price. Some are more refined than others and have more bells and whistles.
The new Ruger SR1911 shoots just as good if not better than two Kimbers I shoot on a regualr basis. It costs half the price of both of the Kimbers.
There are stories like that about every gun out there, Kimber included.
Like I said, with a grain of salt...
so kimber is a piece of shit! well i was thinking about getting a rock island cuz is a lil bit affordable. but since i consider you( Ishootdaily ) as a gun guru. plz help a fellow american pick the right 1911.
WWW, You did not hear what Isd said, HE SAID THAT YOU CANNOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR ON THE WEB & NOBODY IS A 100% PERFECT. I can only add this to the conversation. Three members of my family are policeman. 1 member is a federal marshal. They all are in New Jersey and range from detective to chief of police from swat to Gang and murder. One went threw all state trooper training and then trained troopers for 11 years on the range. I have 3 personal friends that are current FBI and 2 retired, mandatory at 55. All state troopers and all city cops and that includes Atlantic city, and the continous gangland and mafia hotspots and federal marshals and FBI guys carry the kimber, that's right, they used to have the option of qualifying and carrying whatever they qualified with. Years of inter police testing with/ Glock, Kimber, SigSauer, Rueger, etc. KIMBER came out on top ! With such a margin that anybody that already had a Glock would get full credit when trading in for Kimber. As a second was the Ruger lcp. The little gun cops used to have to hide from their superiors, to erase the thoughts of shooting an unarmed man and having a second piece to put in his hand. Realising now that the cop would have to carry a saturdaynight special unregistered to do that, so he should not be a cop anyway. That went away.So the entire state went Kimber & Rueger, But there will always be somebody that doesen't agree, and not say they shot the guns or even handled them, like an earlier post I mentioned for ladies and self defence, where somebody jumped down my thoat and said they have the old long trigger pull that they did before and that was not the idea I was posting about to begin with, but they said it enough untill all killed it, but 1, and that was I shoot Daily, and he said it did not have the same trigger as he tested it.But it did not matter by then anyway, because one other God like person had already spoken about the wrong point of my conversation. Just listen to what I shoot Daily has actually written, before commenting back. that is all I am asking or saying to you, and that is just an opinion of mine, living in the United states of America. Like you and most people on this site. Thanks for listening. JLC
re-read the post that you are talking about. It didn't happen the way you just described. I posted my opinions about the pistol, thats all. lighten up no one on here is "God like".
Reap My appoligies sir, you are right, I am the guilty one. I do not want you to take it as an excuse, just my bad. Reap I have never seen a man get hit by a 45 cal and not go down, no matter if it was impact on shoulder or thigh or anywhere. It is just my experience but if you had only one gun and it could be a 45 or 9mm or 40cal why would you go with smaller gun ? Esp. if you were good shot and same ammo ? John
I just did a search for alphabet agencies sidearms. I could not confirm anywhere that Kimber pistols are issued to agents. FBI agents were issued Glock 22 and 27 for backup. The Submachine gun was an MP-5/10 and the shotgun was an 870. This was from reading posts by other readers at another board so I can not list a definitive source, but again, no mention of Kimber or Ruger. You can also read about FBI here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation#Weapons We all know Wikipedia never gives false information...
HRT is issued the Springfield .45 caliber 8 round pistol, the MP5/10 submachine gun.
Please post your source so I can bookmark it and add it to my references.
Here is an 11 year old article about the testing the FBI did for a new sidearm. The link addresses the Kimber pistol issue, but if you wanted to read the whole thing, you can use the feature at the bottom of the page: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_144_24/ai_57886947/pg_4/
FBI has Glock contract. They used to have a Sig contract, and there are still plenty of Sigs in circulation (I bought an FBI trade in P229 9x19 a few years back when they were switching to .40). I think all new agents are issued either a fullsize G22 or compact G23 depending on preference. I've never heard anything about Ruger or Kimber being issued.
Reap As I said to Clint Late of course as usual, it is an OPTION, as long as they qualify on course or range, and as they off record allow 2nd duty weapons etc. OPTIONS is the key word here, so I dhave to lear to make myself clearer more that is all. I appoligise for that. But they do a lot of stuff that is not on Links and written down, you guys know that? But some of these guys are family and talk to on holidays and tell me things and why they use them etc. Here is one that just got leaked out a month ago. It seems this nice woman gets this nicely suited gentleman to help her with her car and when he tries to start it for her she stabs him with a long needle so fine, it barely draws blood to the eperdermal layer of the chest, but fills the aoruta sack surronding the heart and suffocates it. Sorry for the spelling ? So watch it if at the casinos or fancy hot-spots. They think she must have some surgeical training. jlc
Clint- I did not say the FBI was issued Kimbers, everybody tells me to reread my posts, so I am different . I am asking you to reread my post and I did not clarify all the cities and agencies, but did mention they if qualified of course would recieve full credit on their Glock or whatever the city or agency signed up with at that time, etc. I have leaned that state police and city police and inter agengetcys are even carrying different weapons as long as qualifications are met. JLC
Not all Kimbers suck, just pointing out that no one company puts out perfection %100 of the time.
there are a number of them to check out. Myself I will be buying the Ruger SR1911 on my next gun purchase. I've shot it and found it to be a solid, well built, great finish and eats anything. all for $700.00 which is a fantastic price for the quality of the weapon.
Rock Island 1911 $402.00 at buds...
reviews on the above link
thanks you guys. it really came in handy. i think ima go with the Spingfield gi. or the para. a little more on the para of the strength i can get the hi- cap. also i just had my boss call me to continue his shit talking about the 40 cal. he said the 40 cal has the tendency of wearing out the trigger due to thhe fact that the bullet is packed with alot of grain in a small shell. i really dont know what the hell my boss is talking about. i never had a problem with my pt140. again thanks u guys
lots of people have nonsense to say about lots of rounds,and weapons.stick to what you think and gain your own knowledge.i dont understand how the case capacity could wear out a trigger,you dont see people with large bore ar15s saying they wore out the trigger any faster than normal(1000 ds of rounds) usualy never wears out from what i hear.you can listen to isd,luckybychoice and a few other guys on here that have given me good info in the past.these guys dont just talk.id do what isd said,and get the ruger myself,like ruger,and if he thinks its good enough for him,its good enough for me.im not a big .40 fan,but there is nothing wrong with them either.as far as recoil goes my wife is 5'1" 110lbs,and she shoots my buddys ruger .45 acp no problem.
he doesn't have a clue as to what he is talking about there.....
Your recoil spring might wear out in time (they all do at some point) but that is to be expected after 5000 rounds or many more. I think I have around 10,000 rounds on the one in my CZ 75b right now an it is still functioning fine.
Besides the fact that it is a $3.00 spring, you shoot what you shoot best and know you can place the round where it needs to be placed while also allowing quick follow up shots.
I watched a video of a Hog tied to a fence pole. They shot this Hog with an .45 cal HST Hollow Point out of a 1911 in the chest. That Hog jumped around screaming and trying to snap the rope for a few minutes before it went down and then on the ground it flopped around for a bit before finally bleeding out. That whole one shot takes a man out is just as likely to happen with a well placed .22 magnum into the eye as a badly placed .50 GI...
Also not everyone responds to a gun shot in the same way just as not everyone responds to pain in the same way. You don't have to be jacked up on drugs to not go down, but if you put one in the brain case they are more likely to.
Two or three quick center mass .40 cal hits in the matter of two seconds out ways one .45 in the shoulder any day.
Personally, my top three 1911's would be Colt, Kimber and Springfield. If you're definitely going with a 1911, then you might as well stay with a .45. Thats what they've been making the longest. If you want a higher cap .40 or 9mm I would look into something different than a 1911. First decide whether you want double action or DA/SA. Then decide caliber and model. For DA look at Glock, S&W M&P, Springfield XD or XDM. For DA/SA look at Sig, HK, FNX or FNP. CZ makes good stuff too. There are plenty of good pistols out there. I would go to a range and shoot a few.
My skin is getting thickerlol--we totally agree John-in- amazement, esp,HK
again thanks you guys.in the process of getting my g23. but also going to pursuit a para ordnance.for the simple fact i can have 15 45acp. GOD bless America.
I'll speak with Ben and Hiemie Tuesday night and find out who the guys is they have do all the work on their Para's. Then if you decide you want to have it worked over by a Gsmith who knows his stuff you will have a name.
They shoot Para's in IPSC matches and this guy does all their pistol including their carry guns. Not expensive either from what they have said in the past.
thanks. also ive notice desert eagle also makes 1911. whats your take on that?
Not to many people I am around purchase anything Desert Eagle as a rule. A few IMI Metal Jericho 9 and 40 cal's. A few have the the DE in 44 and 357 magnum (they bitch about them failing at times, but defend the cost because, it's a DE).
I would think it would be fine, everyone is making a copy of the 1911. There is little new or innovative happening after 100 years except esthetic's, and parts chosen... Beyond that it is all finish and assembly.
Sorry to re-repeat that which has already been mentioned, but I like to feel like I contributed too. :)
In my opinion (which largely reflects Reaper's) if you want a 1911, stick with the .45ACP and get a Springfield (I have a GI and I love it). Kimber is a GREAT pistol, but it sounds like it is out of your price range. If so, the Colt is probably also out. Rock Island Armory makes a decent, inexpensive 1911. Remington has the R1 1911. It looks good and I've heard good things about it.
If you are leaning toward the .40, and there are lots of reasons to do so, I would go with the Springfield XD, S&W, or Sig.
BTW, Snake has a Para. You might want to hit him up on his opinion.
j.m.b what can u tell me about rock island. i was talking with a co worker. about the tests company puts there weapon thru. for all i know glock is by far the only company that can shot there guns in water ect. what about the rock island. is it worth it or not.
Will, I am not intimate with them, but I have fired them. They are not a bad pistol. Especially for the price. Here is what I do know about them. When I decided I wanted a new, inexpensive 1911, I had narrowed it down to the RIA and the Springfield Mil-Spec. The RIA was about $400 and the SA was just at $600. The SA mil-spec and the RIA are VERY comparable. They are both no-frills, GI style 1911s. The reason I went ahead and got the SA was because it has a titanium firing pin and a lifetime warranty. That was about the only difference between them. I have learned since that the SA is maybe slightly more accurate and reliable, but that could also be the difference with me and not the pistol as I have probably gotten more accurate and less likely to stovepipe due to a firmer grip.
But overall, for an entry-level 1911, it is definitely worthwhile.
If your of mind to...
Pin Fired Brass Cartridges can not because they did not seal the pin.
Modern Brass Cartridges with sealed Primers can and will fire under water. The ammo is the only limitation...
Isd(john) I watched Top Shot reruns today,all of them with the marine and and navy guy they picked on, etc. At the end, they brought in one of the worlds best pistol shooterts/instuctors and world champions of all time. Cold not write his name down fast enough and here what he was saying too about pistol shooting and the myths that rival rifle shooters. He was giving mini lessons for practice sessions.One most interesting things I found he said was over and over again, and all the shooters however reluctant to try finnally agreed was, not to hold your breath especially while speed shooting and prone shooting or pistol shooting at all. I never did and had no prolem, but with a rifle always held my breath and waited then pulled. But he confirmed what I said all along about what you guys say about trigger pull and length and weight. If you can pull the trigger the same way each time, how much time are you saving really? Especially in survival mode, or in this case a Glock 17, with same amount in gun and clip for each guy, to get them all off. But if you are going to hold your breath in between each shot, you will not hit or get all shots off. Now that is coming from a class act pro of the world, not just me. So if you like the gun and trigger pull, why not buy it, rather than knock it and pay 2hundred more for a 100th of a second quicker trigger pull. Especially if not in any competition, just home invasion. That was my point from the beginning and did you figure out the challenge for daughter yet ? JLC
John, Shorter Reset with less forced needing to be applied to the trigger to break the sear = faster reset and faster trigger finger speeds.
Holding your breath shooting a pistol isn't going to do anything but slow you down. Your weapon is in front of you in your hands which are stabilizing it along the plain of your aim. Your arms are more of a suspension system while pistol shooting.
Where as when you are shooting a rifle your arms are creating a frame to stabilize the weapon along your plain of aim, being as solid as you can make it, any movement is going to transfer from your body and down the rifle moving the center of the bore out of line.
There are huge differences between then two type of shooting along with the different types of respective shooting forums.
Combat shooting is on the moment, you point (align your weapon) and shoot the Dink dead.
Target and hunting for the most part you are positioning yourself in a steady position controlling everything possible bodily to ensure the center axis of the bore does not move at all.
So, yes a Lighter, shorter reset is going to not only speed up your trigger time it will improve your hits as you become more proficient with your weapon because your on target and pop it that much faster once you know you weapon and it's point of aim.
That is why you the man- You can be wiggiling from waist down and as long aswrist is steady w/ pistol aim you are on, rifle, your arms more of a tripod you are saying too, I think, right. Okay do you or she want a hint on the CN JOHN
Won't tell her though. HA!
ok boss. now that we talkin. would u perfer i get a nickel platted or parkerized finish 1911. i dnt want to go with the classic finish because getting a good look at my taurus i've noticed the back where the rear sight is at .it had a rust like dirt.
I'd go with parkerized. Which I would call classic, b/c I believe that's the finish what the GI models had. Also, I consider my 1911 a combat weapon, and I do not want a shiny combat weapon. My toys I'll get stainless or nickel, but my serious zombie guns will have some matte, non reflective finish so as not to give away my position to a zombie. :)
I got to see the last 4 guys shoot it out was great.Have tryed to watch each this yr and last but always miss it a lot (work,church,life work) as for the 1911 heck paint it green candy apple is a nice color AS LONG as the gun works great for me and I can hit what am aiming at great.TY
I skipped over to another page, everybody takes me wrong all the time, I can't express myself right or something on paper? But they showed them all in a row today, all episodes, and some stuff, with these pros and pointers and practices and things I did not know they did even. They even showed some guys choking and the big Marine letting another guy win to get to the final two because he had brain surgery and had a couple of kids and was 47 and wanted his kids to go to college and have a home and all, but lost everything when he had the brain surgery and still dosen't have much chance of living too long and not having a stroke or something. So the Marine who was an ace man and I mean and ace of a shot with a rifle at like a ridiculous 50, or 100 ft shot missed a 12 inch square target by a foot, and He said that if he won he was going to by some guns and live it up and after thinking about the other guy, it seemed so petty and meaningless, so he played the game the way he wanted too. Then walked away. But he gave that guy a shot at the big money, and he had to beat an old marine sargent( Gunny) , And I did not get it! Do you believe it. I watched all day and did not see the final 8 minutes of the season. I know, what an Asshole I am right. But what a nice Guy that Marine turned out to be. HOORAAYY!! JLC
You should do that to all the weapons you own now and then, more often for those you carry. Ever see an old Shiny Penny?
Nickel of Park? Depends on your preferences really. I'd go stainless if it is an option.
Thing about Nickel if it isn't a Satin Nickel finish, is it reflects light very well so at night if you do not want someone to see it shimmer or flash when a ambient light is picked up on it.
Also something to consider is if you are trying to not be seen in the wide open, sunlight will reflect off it like a mirror.
Park isn't going to be an issue really, though there might be some reflection it shouldn't show up in most cases.
Something you can also do in time is have a new finish put onto the weapon such as a flat earth tone, or a Flashy Gold and Silver if that is more to your tastes. You can pretty much do it up as you like with a DIY kit which are not hard to do.Or you can send it out which doesn't cost too much if your not getting some kind of wild camo pattern put on it.
nickel will also scratch easier than stainless
Good point, that totally slipped my mind.
My CZ 75's frame is a Satin Nickel with a light gold tone to it.. I really do not care for it and figure I will strip it and then figure out a flat Cerakote color scheme.
It scratches and leave burnished marks when it contacts anything harder than it and just about everything in your gun bag that is metal is harder or softer. Sucks butt!!!!!!
if your slide and sites are N/S they are going to disapear in the sunlight faster than a prom dress at midnite.
Another reason for the choice of a dark flat color.
I've been looking at the different finishes and think I might go with KG Industries coating.
and also the dry lub they produce, talking with Billy about an older Ruger 9 he has and dipping it, then applying the dry lub, then running a crap load of reloads through it and see how it really holds up.
nice! you guys keep making my day!. do you guys know any gun store or gun range that is hiring. i would love to work with guns. cant get enough.
in the eastern pa area.
like brass, is a self lubricating metal. That's the only redeeming quality it has for firearm finish.
If you can get the slide area nicel plated and a dull finish on the exposed surfaces, then you got something.
nickle is a plating process where layers of copper are electroplated to the steel,the nickle is applied to the copper,this process makes chiping and cracking a problem.hard chrome or machine chrome works allot better for use on guns.
heres a link to a place that provides info on hard chrome and other coatings,as well as offering plating and coating services.