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2 years 11 weeks ago, 10:16 AM

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The NRA says they have obtained a draft of Feinstein’s bill seeks to redefine what is an “assault weapon” to include a more encompassing amount of guns. There would also be an initiative of forcing Americans to register their guns with the federal government under the National Firearms Act (NFA). This would give the federal government authority to confiscate weapons that were identified in violent acts.

Feinstein hopes to:

• Restrict the modifications to firearms available to citizens
• Classify specific modifications as illegal
• Restricting the acquisition of rocket launchers

With the redefining of assault weapons, semi-automatic, centerfire, rimfire rifles will be illegal; as well as the M1 Carbine and Ruger Mini-14. No more than 10 round magazines will be available.

The NFA will collect taxes of an estimated $200 per gun purchased as well as the owner file their fingerprints, photograph, address and obtain permission before taking the gun across state lines.

Guns could not be sold privately or passed down to heirs. The owner would relinquish their gun to the US government upon death.

The date of manufacture of magazines would be a necessity to reign in imported firearms, while it is now not common place to date-stamp domestically produced gun magazines. The restriction on handguns, although it violates the Supreme Court ruling that affirms that possession of handguns is the right of all Americans, will be all-encompassing. The hypocritical nature of this addition is that Feinstein is a registered handgun owner.

2 years 11 weeks ago, 10:58 AM

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2 things... 1 rocket

2 things...
1 rocket launchers???really?
2 she (fuckstein)should have to show proof of what type of gun/guns she owns

CRY HAVOC and let slip the dogs of war!
2 years 11 weeks ago, 4:28 PM

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of Pelosi. If you add their two IQ's together, the number might be high enough to reach 70.

Never one to be over-confident, it is my opinion that this proposed legislation will die of its own inherent stupidity.

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2 years 11 weeks ago, 4:49 PM

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I never underestimate them, they are truly more dangerous than all of the bloods and crips put together. Everyone has to stay engaged with their local congressman and senator and make sure they know how you will vote if they gl along with this and other bills.

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2 years 11 weeks ago, 5:27 PM

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lle hoping you are right but the misinformed majority seems to demand a ban.hoping if this ban goes into effect it will at least come with a time limit as the last one (that didnt work) did.personaly im trying to prepare to pay a tax stamp on all my "assault guns" and being scrutinized by the government the same as NFA items,just not transferable...

CRY HAVOC and let slip the dogs of war!
2 years 11 weeks ago, 7:26 PM

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and we all know it, all the legislation in the world is not going to keep firearms out of the hand's of bad guy's. How the liberal mind can think this shit up is astonishing (look at Chicago's record since new year)....unbelievable! Don't look at the real problem (mental health), go after the guns, that's their way of dealing with it............pretty sad.

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2 years 11 weeks ago, 11:56 PM

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AIDS kills far more people each year than firearms. We should enact legislation to ban certain sexual acts that may contribute to the spread of HIV. In addition a 5 year prison penalty for anyone using inter-venous drugs.
I use 5 years because thats the penalty in NY for having a high cap mag.
Sound ridiculous?

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2 years 11 weeks ago, 1:17 AM

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Thanks for the comment...I now have some more ammunition to use for the anti-gunners in my family....The comparison to aids is priceless.

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2 years 11 weeks ago, 10:12 AM

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Here is an example of liberal thinking. Years ago when i lived in Oregon a democrat state senator had a fender bender with an unlicensed un insured driver. His solution to the problem was to put a 10 cent a gallon tax on gasoline to pay for state liability insurance for the uninsured. Did he think those who were paying for insurance would continue to do so and pay the tax too? Fortunately calmer heads prevailed and his bill was rejected. The libs never seem to understand the consequences of their actions, Raise taxes=less tax income, Threaten gun control= enormous increase in gun sales, especially the ones they want banned the most, do a trillion dollar stimulis and wind up with 12% unemployment (the real number, not the gov. BS number) and 15 million new peeps on food stamps

2 years 11 weeks ago, 4:49 PM

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It's coming

And there's no way to stop it because Obama is going to revoke the 2nd Amendment via executive order and circumvent Congress where he knows he'll lose.

2 years 10 weeks ago, 2:39 PM

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The POTUS does not have the authority to preempt any part of the Constitution. He can issue such executive orders till the cows come home, and they would clearly represent a breach of his oath of office, and immediately be prima facie evidence for an impeachment warrant by the House of Reps, to be tried in the Senate.

Any member of either chamber who supported such an executive order, would also be openly guilty of a breach of oath. Any member of the military who supported such an executive order, would be similarly, openly guilty of a breach of oath.

I am betting "on the come" that under such circumstances there would be significant numbers of US American patriots in all walks of life, including 15+ million veterans plus MOST active duty members, who will make the Constitution PREVAIL, with whatever force is necessary.

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2 years 8 weeks ago, 1:29 PM

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I beg to differ. I know I took the oath to uphold against all enemies foreign and domestic and still take that oath seriously. I would stand my ground but with what I see in the media now or should I say " lack of" this SOB in the white house thinks he can do any damned thing he wants. Look at his manipulation of the news media and his statement of I have them all in line accept Fox And Rush. This asshole doesnt even know the 2 nd has Nothing to do with hunting but hes constantly quoting he believes in the 2 nd and our rights to hunt. He was a dang Constitutionl speaker in Chicago I believe but he is stepping on the 1st ammendment already and is about to seriously mess or take away the 2ND He believes he can do what he wants because he is superior to everyone and actualy cant fathom ANYONE NOT AGREEING with him. He cant wrap his mind around it and their isnt any Congressmen or Senators left with big enuf balls to say hands off if he tries changing the 2nd nor enuf people banded together to piss in his wheaties. We need to rally before its to late. Some other asshole in history did the same thing as this slick SOB and his name was HITLER

2 years 10 weeks ago, 9:17 PM

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 1:30 PM

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FYI - WAKE UP !!!

FROM Guns America:

There is an old adage, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." This week the media is trying to convince us that support for Senator Feinstein's anti-gun legislation is weak, but if we are not PRO-ACTIVE, the legislation will pass as written. You will wake up just in time for SHOT Show with new laws that make your AR-15 a Class 3 weapon. This means that if you want to keep your tactical rifles, you will have to register them, pay a $5-$200 tax, and notify the government if you intend to take them out of state. You will also completely waive your 4th Amendment rights to reasonable search and seizure. ATF will have the right to knock on your door and inspect the weapons anytime they want. You will also see an end to standard capacity magazines. This isn't a threat. It isn't political posturing. Diane Feinstein and the anti-gun machine have already introduced the legislation, and it will be rammed through Congress and signed by the President if we do not Stand As One and act today.

Please contact your legislators immediately, and post the links above to your discussion boards. Also please contact all of the gun companies you do business with and ask them to take action now and don't sit on their resources in reaching out to the gunowners of America. All of them have mailing lists, and all of them are sitting on them pretending that they don't have any responsibility, while doing record business in the stuff that is going to be banned or regulated. This 2nd Amendment crisis is not about KA-CHING. We call out to Midway USA, Gunbroker, Brownells, Sportsmen's Guide, Cabelas and all the firearms and accessory manufacturers. If you have a list, use it. We must Stand As One if we are to defeat this threat to our freedom. Aside from one NRA-ILA email notifying us about the legislation, even the NRA has been silent. Facebook isn't enough. Our testing has shown that the effectiveness of Facebook is very small. You MUST EMAIL YOUR LISTS THIS WEEK before the legislation gains public support. We are about to enter a dark time in 2nd Amendment freedom and political wrangling from the NRA isn't going to cut it this far out from an election. The legislators need to hear from us, that we will work to defeat them in their next election bid.

This is not an alarmist position. The anti-gun machine was prepared for this opportunity, and they are very well organized. Senator Feinstein herself admitted that she has been working since last year to investigate all of the loopholes from the last "Assault Weapons Ban" and eliminate them. That means that this time there will be no thumbhole stocks, no sawed off flashhiders, no California "bullet buttons." It is almost as though the anti-gunners allowed the old ban to end in hopes of making a better one this time. This legislation is extremely comprehensive and if it passes, every tactical rifle in America will instantly become a Class 3 weapon. No new guns will be produced at all, effectively shuttering every AR-15 manufacturer in the country.
Don't be fooled by the pollsters this time, for or against. They key point in this legislation is that we are more than a year from the start of the next campaigns for the mid-term elections. The anti-gun lobbyists, as you read this, are contacting the House and Senate members trying to convince them that American voters are not going to punish them for voting for new and sweeping gun control. Few politicians actually stand for anything, so how we react is paramount to defeating this legislation. You must notify your legislators that you are watching their vote and that you will work to defeat them in their next election bid if they vote for any new gun legislation that comes out of the Sandy Hook shootings. Over 500 people have been killed in Chicago this year, the most gun restrictive city in the USA. We will not sacrifice our 2nd Amendment rights because the media is up in arms about the slaughter of 20 white kids by a mentally disturbed individual who stole his mommy's guns.

Also don't think that the Supreme Court is going to help us on this one. The legislation clearly identifies the approach to grandfathered weapons as a tax, and the Supreme Court has recently dealt with this issue on Obamacare, and refused to strike it down. Our swing vote, the George W. Bush appointed Justice Stevens, has already demonstrated that he will not strike down major legislation from the bench if he can find a way to avoid it, and this tax approach to our guns won't even make the Supreme Court. You may think that the original 2nd Amendment guaranteed us the right to the same guns at the government (muskets at the time), but there is plenty of Federal case law from the 1986 machinegun ban that has laid the groundwork for this Feinstein bill. It will pass, and it will stand.

If we Stand As One this week, the legislation will be stopped. Please contact your reps in the House and your Senators today. Mobilize your friends and family. Email everyone in your contact list. And most importantly post the direct links above (not to GunsAmerica) to every single discussion board, blog or forum to which you frequent.

As we have tried to explain already, GunsAmerica is all alone out here in this fight. Please encourage the gun websites you do business with to join our Stand As One campaign and email their mailing lists to fight this game changing legislation. We are all NRA Life and Endowment members here at GunsAmerica, yet nothing has come from NRA. Our competitors Gunbroker have sent nothing, apparently content with the spike in business. Midway USA has a huge list, yet nothing has come from them. Brownells is in the news for selling 3 1/2 years of magazines in one day, yet nothing has come from their email list. And worst of all, Cheaper Than Dirt actually announced that they would stop selling guns online, supporting the public opinion against our guns. Sportsman's Guide even had the nerve to send a happy go lucky "After Christmas" sale email on AR-15 accessories. Don't boycott these companies. Contact these companies! We have to stand together or we are going to lose. Now is not the time to argue and sit on our resources of huge email lists to America's gun enthusiasts. We Stand As One!

Some of you got upset at us calling Alex Jones a turd in the punchbowl of 2nd Amendment freedom, but it is the truth. The conspiracy theory websites do not stand with us on this one, though they claim that they do. A lot of young people are caught up in a conspiracy theory mindset that is preventing them from seeing the forest through the trees. 2nd Amendment rights were never about hunting, and there has always been an out in the open "conspiracy" against them. if you espouse big government control and oversight of all Americans, you obviously don't want free thinkers to be armed. It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to figure out that Diane Feinstein wants to watch and control all Americans, and disarming us is an important step for her and her ilk. Alex Jones and his gang may seem well intentioned, but what they really want is internet traffic. They want to sell you the movies and the water purifiers and the survival food and the male enhancement pills, PERIOD. Guns are just the latest thing on the conspiracy theory bandwagon because it "gets the buzz going." They may be gun loving Americans at heart, but what is driving them today is the almighty but ever weakening $$$ dollar.

Diane Feinstein doesn't care how much survival food you have in your bunker . But what she does have is the actual power to halt the production of an entire class of firearms and magazines, and she plans to do that, this week. Get out of your armchair and get into action.

This quote from a recent article in the Russian newspaper Pravda urging us to not give up our 2nd Amendment freedom says a great deal:

Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.

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2 years 8 weeks ago, 4:04 PM

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The much talked-about Feinstein newly-proposed legislation is not appreciably different from the legislation that covered the period from 1994 through 2004, [signed by W. J. Clinton, as POTUS].

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
2 years 10 weeks ago, 1:44 PM

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I called my Congressman yesurday, his staff smugly assured me that he would back the gun bill. No need to call my Senators as they are both far left liberals and have voted against gun rights at every turn. The liberal media will tout a few points of the gun bill and neglect to mention any of the other far reaching assaults on our second amendment rights and a attack on our freedoms in general.

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2 years 8 weeks ago, 1:58 PM

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Come and take them ..........

U R Nutty - Your name is very appropriate for you.

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2 years 8 weeks ago, 2:40 PM

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It is unanimous then, all of Texas is glad you are gone.

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2 years 8 weeks ago, 4:23 PM

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I thought the people selling purses and such were a pain is the ass. This guy takes the cake however, asses like him enjoy the attention. So if you you respond to him, you make his day, the best way to handle idiots like him is to ignore him. When no one answers him, or argues with him or contradicts him, he will go away and bother someone else. I work with someone just like him.

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2 years 8 weeks ago, 3:47 PM

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TROLL--TROLL--TROLL

What else could this person Be!!??

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2 years 8 weeks ago, 3:50 PM

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Agreed.

Other words would also apply but politeness ...................

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That's too bad. Next time, don't ban them (unless of course they really are spamming the site). I'd love to debate with these asswipes. It's easy enough to do. Boy, they really came into the Lion's den, didn't they? I wish I could have seen it. They're probably used to going on generic sites to spew their propaganda. It's a little harder with people armed with the truth and facts.

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2 years 7 weeks ago, 5:38 PM

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I would think in the right hands a long range single shot rifle
would be a very good assault weapon.
So anything else is icing on the cake.

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2 years 7 weeks ago, 5:43 PM

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It all depends on :

the shooter doesnt it. lol

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2 years 7 weeks ago, 8:40 PM

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Well the constitution doesn't define it. It says arms and my right to arms shall not be infringed. The bill of rights is not predicated on any demonstrated need so I should be able to have whatever I want. But if they really want people to demonstrate a need before exercising a right, then people should prove a need before exercising the first amendment. Or better yet, how about showing a need before an abortion. I like it better just being free to make my own choices without proving a need to others.

2 years 10 weeks ago, 3:49 PM

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Almost.

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN
2 years 10 weeks ago, 12:17 PM

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LBC

I think the hour arrives. At least for a show of force near their homes...

2 years 10 weeks ago, 3:12 PM

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show of force

a good ol fashioned ......... Yee hah !!

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2 years 7 weeks ago, 5:41 PM

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Flag upside down?

Naaaaaa Run up the Stars and Bars

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2 years 8 weeks ago, 1:10 PM

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Hey you forgot the grenade launchers that attach to the assault guns. When in hell heve u ever heard of bein able to buy a GD grenade launcher ?????? WTF does walmart in California sell em?? Or any other store????? This woman is IGNORANT!!!!! And she sait she LOOKED AT PICTURES!!!!!!!!! To decide which guns to add to the list. This is assenine!!!!

2 years 7 weeks ago, 5:32 PM

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Relax guys

The Federal government under Obama will do what it damn well pleases.
They have already proved that with this medical bill they voted on before
they even read it. All the normal channels of protecting our rights are null
and void.
Only one way to take America back
Take it.
Run them all out of town uninsured with no pension.

waiting for a knock on my door or dodge the fling pieces when it is
busted off its hinges.

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2 years 7 weeks ago, 5:48 PM

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The founding fathers never meant for politics to be a career
They never meant for our congress to get rich off us.
They make their own rules so how do we shake them up.

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2 years 7 weeks ago, 8:19 PM

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I have been beating the drum for term limits for years.

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2 years 7 weeks ago, 8:25 PM

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Forget term limits, one and done for all of them. Career politician should become a obsolete term.

2 years 7 weeks ago, 2:36 PM

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I have contacted

my legislators. I believe I'm going to end up becoming a single-issue voter. Other than contacting my legislators every now and then, I have taken a head-in-the-sand approach to this. Like I said a couple years ago before going AWOL from this site the first time, the more I see and read, the angrier I get. There's only so much I will be able to take before putting my training and experience to use stateside.

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I started talking to more people about guns and gun issues. I try real hard to not come off as extreme when talking to people I don't know very well. In the last year, I have taught 4 people how to shoot that didn't like guns to begin with. My wife used to hate my guns and was an issue of tension, but she has come around and has even been asking if I'm carrying a gun when we go on a trip. She had even asked me to teach how to shoot. This led to me teaching her folks. They each now own a handgun. The other person that I have brought around is a friend of my folks that was outright hostile to guns. I allowed her to ask all kind of questions and showed her that gun owners are not radical crazies (not all of us that is). So far she has asked twice for me to teach her how to shoot a pistol. At work, I have met way more people who are supporters of guns or at least not against them then people who outright are against the 2nd amendment. This struggle will not be won on a Hail Mary long shot (pardon the pun), but has to win over the middle by proving that we are not the threat, but normal folks exercising a fundamental right. This is a battle for hearts and minds. Hey, if the gays can become mainstream, why not gun owners. People need to feel comfort that you or I are out there willing to stand up to the scum and not afraid of us.

2 years 5 weeks ago, 12:56 PM

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"Hey, if the gays can become mainstream, why not gun owners" ive been thinking that exact same thing for years now.i seriously think if we could put aside our moral issues of religion vs homosexuality and help them understand our position as well as trying to understand their issues we gun owners could have a very different and ever increasing number of supporters to our cause...somthing like the Gay American Gunowners (G.A.G.)hahahaha.seriously though we pro gun folks should try to say offer free or nearly free gun training/shooting lessons specificly for homosexuals to come meet each other become educated and empowered all in one,advertise it like "guns have no sexual preference" or "guns treat everyone equally".our group (pro gun people),need a fresh new way of being portrayed the old "good god fearing christian family values" isnt what people think of when the think of us,they see a white hillbilly dressed in army fatigues sitting in a concrete bunker full of ammo waiting for ww3 so he can start shooting people.what we need is to be viewed as a regular person FIRST,and a gun owner in addition to our personality,not a personality itself.i think by specificly targeting minority groups like the homosexual community,women,blacks,the poor,we can start to change the way the world sees us.

CRY HAVOC and let slip the dogs of war!
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Jay

Maybe if states honored the gay marriages of other states, then we gun owners would have leverage in having other states honor our concealed carry license.

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