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Ok here is another quick question. How hard is it to get a MK23 Socom? I mean a real "SOCOM" not the civiy MK23. Just curious cause maybe someday if I am good and play nice with my money I may buy one. I like to get one but the reason I want one is stupid so I will keep it to my self so I dont get judged. Any ways I want to get an actual Socom complete with supressor and LAM someday. Maybe in a couple a years.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 11:35 PM

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Become a seal. :)

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 11:14 AM

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lol, Ronin

Or kill one. But you'd be more likely to become one. Just watch out for week 4. ;)

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 2:37 AM

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come on Snake...

Not very comman, couple thousand dollars and unnessisary...even for someone like you Snake. Just because you see it on your video games does not mean that you should own one or would have any idea what to do with it.
http://www.impactguns.com/hk-mark-23-45acp-socom-black-mk23-723001-64223...

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 1:14 PM

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snake if u go in try to become a SEAL it's called HELL WEEK for a reason if you do it make sure you get a lot of SAND on you and do not wipe it off till told lol,Years ago when I got my H & K USP I ask for the seal one and was told I could get one then for $2000 salt water would not hurt it.But if you go to any web site that sell's them ( not sure if I can say them on here with out being banned) the old saying " IF YOU GOT THE $$$ MONEY $$$ you can get any thing.
Hey great luck in the navy ship's ahoy if you get sick cum water not DI oh that some one else sorry.If they take you in to training hope you can SWIM stay awake and under the age of 30. TY

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 10:19 AM

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2K isnt bad if I save up my money. Thanks for the link Syn. This is a piece I will buy in a few years if I can.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 8:35 PM

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You do realize 2K is just for the pistol.... then you have to pay for the suppressor and all the other goodies, then you have to submit your paperwork to the BATFE ( and pay for the suppressor), then wait till it is approved (3 months to 15 months) before picking it up.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 8:45 PM

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I am as patient as a monk. I will wait no prob. 2k for the Socom,2-4 for the supperessor I think. And a whatever it costs for paperwork. I aint saying I am gonna get it all at once. Rome wasnt built in a day. I aint in no rush for it.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 8:49 PM

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About 700-1000 for the suppressor (depending on make), 40 for the paperwork, and 200 for the tax stamp.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 8:54 PM

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Snake, have you picked one up yet?
They are huge pistols. Pretty close to the desert eagle 50 cal. Not at all concealable. They were designed as an offensive pistol. Not trying to discourage you at all, I had the chance to pick one up for $700 but tuition was more important at the time, I look back and see I was wring in that choice...

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:03 PM

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I know they are a good size pistol. ".45 caliber offensive handgun designed for the Special Ops Command (SOCOM)" Its large yes but I am not lookin to get it for carry I am looking to get it just for the cool factor. I am a big fan of Metal Gear Solid video games hence my "Snake" name. And well the Socom is on the game and I just want one for that fact. Childish I know but I dont care to be juged on that if people want to judge me over getting a gun seen on a game.

School is more important to me so the SOCOM is gonna wait till I get good money flowing from a good job. The socom but also family and bills and other things important come first.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 8:56 PM

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Basically 4k +/- and I can have a real socom. If I save up for it and can afford it I dont see anything being wrong with it. Unesiscarry or not I just want one for the cool factor and yes saw it on a video game like syn said but so what? Its my money not syns and I mean no offense by it by the way syn just expressing my thoughts on this. But at the moment its the main gun I want in the pistol category. Just my 2 cents and everyone here has a gun they want to get well the Socom is the one i want.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:08 PM

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Not judging you. Hell, I bought a tommy gun. Just making sure you realize that your not going to be able to just walk into a store and buy one. As long as it takes the BATFE, you may want to order the suppressor, then get the money for the pistol while your waiting. :)

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:13 PM

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snake,
depending on the suppressor you choose, there might also be leeway for production. I know some people that ordered suppressors and had to wait 3 months for their order to arrive, then after the suppressor hits the stores shelves and the can is paid for, the paperwork is filled out and sent to BATFE. Like Ronin has typed, it takes how ever long it takes for BATFE to process your request. Purchasing the suppressor first is not a bad idea.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:25 PM

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I will patiently wait for all the pieces to come together.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:14 PM

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Not saying anyone is judging me. But if they want to then they can. I wasnt saying you were. Not blamming anyone on that anyways. And thats a good idea. I agree with ya on ordering the supressor first. Thats step one. And while the BATFE is "Processing" I will get the LAM. Then finally last but certainly not least the SOCOM. Thanks for the advice.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:29 PM

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Also, not sure if trying to get the EXACT pistol or not, but if memory serves, the suppressor that was issued with these to military in the begining was made by Knights armament... also the LAM was Wilcox, and are VERY hard to find.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:34 PM

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I want the exact pistol down to the batteries running the LAM lol. I want it Identical to the one pictured below.

MK 23 Socom with Government Suppressor

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:35 PM

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You may as well forget about that. First off, the goverment doesn't produce anything, they contract out. Secondly if you managed to actually get a US Gov suppressor, the BATFE would be kicking in your door. Selling goverment weapons systems is a felony, and you would be in possesion of stollen property that happens to be a NFA weapon... also a felony if memory serves. Buy a knights suppressor from a reputable dealer.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 12:51 AM

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the exact same supressor can be bought but won't have the US markings........My advise to you snake would be get USP tactical......just about as close as you want and save some money.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:38 PM

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Well how close to this pic can I get? A similar suppressor by KA is fine. What about the LAM? and The "True" SOCOM? or will I have to settle with the Civiy model and put makeup on it lol. Makeup being a replica suppressor and LAM?

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:42 PM

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Very close...

Finding a suppressor with identical dimensions shouldn't be an issue, just won't have the markings. The pistol can be purchased, thing about Beretta, they sell M-9's also, and the wilcox lam also, however some companies won't sell IR to civilians, don't think it is a law, just policy.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:42 PM

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I remember KAC

They had the golf ball pock marks on it.

Holy cow look at how much those things weigh: http://www.knightarmco.com/suppressors.html
adding one to the end of that pistol is like carrying around sledgehammer!!!

Still super cool though...

Snake, I did not realize they came in different threading, you might check with the gunstore on which threading can order so you do not get the wrong suppressor, that would suck.

I saw a guy convert an USP 45 to an HK Tactical, he stayed with the left handed barrel because it was more German.

One more thing, you might have to stop by GG&G to pick up a universal rail mount. I think the USP had a proprietary rail, but I am unsure about the MK 23

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:44 PM

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didn't know about the rail.... good point to check into, However, since wilcox made the lams, it shouldn't be much of an issue, if they sell to civies.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:47 PM

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Believe it or not but IR lasers in the 5MW range and above are controlled by the FDA. I spoke to a rep from Laser Devices about acquiring a DBAL A2, he said if you could it would be stolen and see Ronin's scenario for Major League Door Kickers.

You could probably find an IR below 5MW. Laser Devices makes a civilian DBAL A2 now, so perhaps you can start your search there.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:49 PM

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clintlebo wrote:
Believe it or not but IR lasers in the 5MW range and above are controlled by the FDA. I spoke to a rep from Laser Devices about acquiring a DBAL A2, he said if you could it would be stolen and see Ronin's scenario for Major League Door Kickers.

You could probably find an IR below 5MW. Laser Devices makes a civilian DBAL A2 now, so perhaps you can start your search there.

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Then I won't talk about what I have in my car. LOL!

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It used a 16X1 mm right hand thread on a true MK23. Most civilain models use a left hand thread

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:51 PM

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nearly 1lb. Pretty hefty for it but what the heck it aint like I am gonna be carrying the MK23 with me everywhere. Secondly The Socom has a Rail and third if I am not mistaken the Military Socom's suppressors can be screwed and adjusted to 10 positions what ever tha means and if adjusted properly the gun should feel the same as if it was with out the suppressor. I think.

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Snake wrote:
and if adjusted properly the gun should feel the same as if it was with out the suppressor. I think.

Uhhh.... No.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:54 PM

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wrong snake

you add that weight at the end of the barrel and you will notice it.

Ronin, you mean your "friends" car...

I did a quick search for the Wilcox Lam unit, the mean was $2800. more than the gun...

just something to think about snake. a weapon system you are going to use for plinking costing you around $6000.

Still cool, but wow now you are up there with the big boys...

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 9:59 PM

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My dream gun is a H&K MP5SD.... Snake is still going cheap. LOL!

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Tell me about it, my ACR is evolving...

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 10:18 PM

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$7000

And I should be foggin up the lenses of the actual MK 23 Socom. I hope I can get one someday. Not this year. Maybe not next year but maybe in 5 or 6 years I can wave it around like it meant something lol!

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In Canada, a device to muffle or stop the sound of a firearm is a "prohibited device" under the Criminal Code.[17] A prohibited device is not inherently illegal in Canada but it does require an uncommon and very specific prohibited device license for its possession, use, and transport. Suppressors cannot be imported into the country by civilians;[18] special licensing is required for businesses to import and sell suppressors, and they are typically only available to law enforcement, conservation agencies and the military.

In the United States, taxes and strict regulations affect the manufacture and sale of suppressors under the National Firearms Act. They are legal for individuals to possess and use for lawful purposes in thirty-eight of the fifty states.[19] However, a prospective user must go through an application process administered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which requires a Federal tax payment of USD 200.00 and a thorough criminal background check. The USD 200.00 buys a tax stamp, which is the legal document allowing possession of a suppressor. The market for used suppressors in the U.S. is consequently very poor, which has driven innovations in the field (buyers want the height of technology, because they are basically "stuck" with the purchase). Suppressors are available in other countries for under USD 40,[20] but they can be of crude construction, using cheap materials and baffle designs. The following states have explicitly banned any civilian from possessing a suppressor: California, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Vermont.

The Federal legal requirements to manufacture a suppressor in the United States are enumerated in Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code.[21] The individual states and several municipalities also have their specific requirements.

From Wikipedia so if anything is wrong then feel free to add the truth.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 12:48 PM

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Quick note on that suppressor law or laws, and I will not be on for any thoughts back for a while, but for instance that guy Will on the show that builds the guns for anybody as long as legal, and have right paperwork. I still and some friends threw their and my old government jobs. Have the clearance to buy the suppressors, or have them made wether custom or not. I have not however tried to buy one out of the country for years. So I am all ears on that, and I have sold a couple of guns in past with a suppresor and to person with I think just regular AGR CCL. But will check with active law enforcement relatives and friends if you want me too. I have been told and forget where, but some states require outdoor ranges within a certain distance of residential areas that have past the safety regs and are able to provide rental weapons that are awful loud or even privately owned ones, require suppressors to be used and decible readings accordingly to that city or state. If you want more I will call some relatives in Jersey that are current law enforcement,and a few guys still in FBI, on Monday, and get all the skinny on it. Gotta GO though. Probably no help though right now, so sorry, but will monday for sure when everybody is open as usual. John

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If you have not seen it by now__ Bushmaster has put out a PRODUCT SAFETY NOTICE--WARNING. Basically >>>>immediately discontinue the use of the rifle and contact Bushmaster at 1-800-883-6229". When you call, be prepared with the serial number of your rifle.

Source: Bushmaster ad in the June issue of The American Rifleman.

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LLE- Did it mention what the recall was about? I'm wondering if this is still the same heavy firing pin problem (rifle can go FA) that they originally put out, or if this is something new...

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Discontinue use immediately.

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This a new recall or an expansion of the serial number pool of recallable weapons?

What are you getting for 3 and 5 shot groups 100 - 300 yards?

Also does it heat up allot after say 200 rounds?

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Good call ISD, I suspect that it is an expansion of serial numbers, but who knows. I can't find any info on their website and tried to call them but they're closed in consideration of the rapture. Maybe clitbo knows.

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Kinda long winded, but yeah. You get finger printed (believe it has to be electric now) fill out a form 4, get it signed by the Chief Law enforcement Official in your community, included 2 passport photos and send it all in with 200.

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you are now offically on the list

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Like I said

I am patient. Rushing through and hoping for a speedy way of getting it aint gonna help. Just take it one step at a time. Rome was not built in a day. If I want one bad enough then I shouldnt let a long wait stop me. Just my thinkin here.

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Why don't you skip the pistol and just spend less for a KRISS and put a can on it?

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 23 weeks ago, 12:11 PM

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Kriss?

You mean that fancy Kriss Vector? Nah I wouldnt want that. To pimped out for this Snake. A Socom is my goal. Well the Civiy MK23 that is.

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What you want can be done, with-in the limits that we have discussed. Suppressors can be purchased ( I am on the list now for one), the gun (or a VERY similar model) can be purchesed...ECT. If this is what you want, go for it, just remember your modeling off a game and this is life, that's all we are saying. Shoot a suppressed .45, see how it feels, try and find a place that will let you rent the pistol for a day to shoot on their range... I just don't want you to spend 2 years and 7K for a pistol that you end up not liking.

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I already own a .45 and I love the feel of it. What would be the difference other than a little weight and size? My Para GI is smooth and I am sure the MK23 Civiy Model wouldnt be any different.

As for the range thats not gonna happen as I dont have any gun ranges close to me. If I did have a range close to me I would be there every weekend. Oh well. I would love to get the feel of a MK 23 before I buy it and only place I can think of gettin one is Trader Jerry and I dont think he has one in stock at the moment. I would most likely have to order the MK 23 online and have it shipped to TJ through FFL.

The closest model I can think of being similar to a SOCOM is a USP. I would like a USP Tactical in 9mm but not sure Civiys like me can get those either.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 6:20 PM

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H&K USP-MK23-45ACP

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The closest model I can think of being similar to a SOCOM is a USP. I would like a USP Tactical in 9mm but not sure Civiys like me can get those either.

The Mark 23 is a USP, the 23 is a Optional Package of the USP Pistol.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 6:11 PM

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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=230819848

HK MK23 with AAC Can...

The HK Pistols and rifle line is known the world over for it's rugged, reliable systems.
HK Mark 23 Features:
Can be carried “cocked and locked” in single action mode with the safety lever on
Frame mounted decocking lever and separate ambidextrous safety lever
Universal mounting grooves for installing accessories
Threaded O-ring barrel with polygonal bore profile
Extractor doubles as a loaded chamber indicator
Corrosion proof fiber-reinforced polymer frame
Oversized trigger guard for use with gloves
Ambidextrous magazine release lever
Patented HK recoil reduction system
Patented Lock-Out Safety device
Corrosion resistant blued finish
One piece machined steel slide
Extended slide release
Match grade trigger

My buddy Felix the owner of AVGuns has a couple of them. The onlu difference between the Civilian MK 23 and the MK23 SOCOM is the Chamber Pressures allowable. You can fire a hotter load in the SOCOM.

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which is almost a Blue in color...

That is the Model Sergio owns. MK23 NAVY Finish...

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There is a HUGE difference between the feel of a 1911 and a Mk 23... Apples and oranges, not even compareable.

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without question there is....

I was shooting a Full size HK USP 45 today with the LEO trigger in it. Shoots nice enough and for as heavy as the trigger was, it was smooth enough. But there is no comparison between the feel or the trigger on those two... no at all

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HK Mk23 USSOCOM pistol. Comes with 4 mags, original camouflage case with inserts, tritium sights, NSW holster and vector accurizer. $1900.

Mark 23 SOCOM

if you got the money you can get what you want pretty much...

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Really?

I didnt know the MK23 was a USP. Well aint thtat somethin. Optinal or not I am stayin focused on a MK23.

Maybe in a year or 2 I will do bidness with ya friend ISD. Ya think maybe he will give me a 10-15% discount since I am pals with ya ISD? lol.

I would settle with the MK23 pictured above only thing it needs is a legal Laser. Shit I would settle with a Tac light.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 6:47 PM

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You PM me wih exactly what you want, and how much cash, and legal anywhere, and if you are waiting anyway, give me five, that's 5 days and it is yes I have it, or no I do not. It is in your ballpark, you are waiting anyway right ? JOHN PS No hardfellings eitherway right, cabeshe!

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I asked around at the range today and talked with one of the guys from over at SRT.

With the money you can buy and own military grade lasers.

http://www.nitevis.com/LDI_DBAL-A2_Laser.htm

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PM for ya. Not sure what ya meant above my friend.

ISD a military grade laser would give it the look of a military grade socom. Would it be illegal to have "U.S Government" put on the civiy model with a metal engraver? Really I want to be as close to the actual SOCOM as I can leagaly be without the BATFE kickin in my door.

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Hell, engrave "Excedrin" on it with "Take two TAPS and call a Hearse in the morning"

Only thing you don't want to put on it is the same thing you never want to mention in the wrong company of people even if joking would be anything to do with a persident.

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That being said.

Once I get me a MK23 then if I can afford it I will get a Master Engraver to put "U.S. Government" on the slide to mimic the real SOCOM. Anyways once I get a MK23 the gun will NEVER be for sale. This is something I want more than any other pistol. Long guns are a different story lol.

One question has me boggeled here. If the BATFE caught wind of my MK23 being engraved with U.S. Government would that be copy right infringement? Or would they kick in my door due to "Thinking" it was a Government pistol?

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Got to run for a few

I will be back in a few.

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Ping

contacting MBT about your spamming and seeing what they will do about closing your distributer account...

enjoy...

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VAQ!!!! LMAO

LOL

Hell might eat em too.

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Question for those of you more knowledgeable than I...

Some of the original spec's/requests during the development of the Mk23 were a slide lock (in order the keep the slide locked into battery....no shell ejected and slightly lower noise when shooting suppressed). Does the civ Mk23 have this feature? I've handled and shot them but never thought to look or ask 'til now.

DS1-era suppressed M9's equipped with a slide lock had failures due to the slide lock being stronger or made from a harder material than the slide (aftermarket, Knight's I think).

I was interested to see that the early Mk23 test/spec stuff had the 185gr Hornady XTP mentioned; it frequently gets 'most accurate' from many .45acp pistols.

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Earlier in the thread, ISD posted a website that sells the DBAL. I emailed them requesting more information. As I have mentioned in the past, class 3b lasers are controlled by the FDA. You need to be in the military or on a police force to own one of these lasers.
Ken from Kerif lasers sent me this email:

Sir,
I’m not sure where you got the idea that we are selling DBAL-A2 to civilians, or that our website states this, because we make it clear that they are restricted.

EXPORT LICENSE REQUIRED.
IR LASER's are restricted to Gov't & Law Enforcement agencies only.
Please be prepared to provide credentials when ordering.

We do sell Eye Safe versions of some Lasers within the US to civilians. No export sales.
DBAL-I2 (PN: 50433 –Red Pointer + IR Pointer) = $717.00
DBAL-I2 (PN: 50436 – Green Pointer + IR Pointer) = $937.00
EOLAD-1I (PN: 50033 – IR Pointer) = $1,069.00
ITAL-Classic (PN: 19206 – IR Pointer) = $503.00
OTAL-Classic (PN: 19217 – IR Pointer) = $503.00
If you are interested in purchasing one of the Eye Safe versions, please use the attached Order Form or call us to place your order.
Thank you for considering KERIF Night Vision.
Ken Frank

I hope this helps with some of the mystery concerning the Dual Beam Aiming Lasers and Infrared Pointers. This is basically the same information that Laser Devices Inc told me on the phone and at SHOT Show. This makes sense because it appears the Kerif Night Vision is selling the Laser Devices product.

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WHO IS ALLOWED TO PURCHASE MULTIPLE OPTICAL DEVICES?
We can sell multiple devices to anyone in the US who is a legal citizen or company within the borders of the USA and has made payment for the purchase.
Fleet purchases from Dealers, Government & Law Enforcement Agencies, Military Personnel and Re-Sellers are always welcome and have the added incentive of fleet purchase discounts. For more information on fleet purchase discounts, please email us at sales@nitevis.com , Fax to (702) 869-8451 or call 1-(702) 324-6463 and request a Price Quote. Requesting a price quote does not require Payment Method information. If you are requesting Payment Terms, please indicate this on the bid request.

http://www.nitevis.com/How_to_Order.htm

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ISD, the difference is

DBAL A2 has a class 3b laser, DBAL I2 does not. So if you are happy with a civilian version they will sell the DBAL I2.
All class 3b devices are restricted to military and government sales. It is the FDA that restricts the use of these devices.

My gun store tried to purchase one for "demo"purposes, but because they did not have the necessary credentials, they were denied their request.

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3 years 22 weeks ago, 5:58 PM

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Well that sucks...

If I want one I can get it through one of the guys who do Military/LEO Demo and sales, that isn't an issue for me. I was going by the wording on their web site.

Hell, not that I would suggest anyone do it, you can scavenge a Blue Laser diode from a computer Blue Ray DVD player. Not only will it carry further, it will cook what it hits if held on it long enough. lol

I wonder what or if there are, penalties for modifying l2?

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Blue Ray...

That would be cool. LOL!
I have an idea....

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As a side note...

http://www.thinklasers.com/

http://ezinearticles.com/?Military-Laser-Pointers---Dangerous-Military-G...

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Clinybo.. check here

http://www.thinklasers.com/photonic-disruptor-military-lasers.html#
The Photonic Disruptor has been specifically designed with tactical military and law enforcement use in mind. This high powered hand held pointer performs like no other laser tool anywhere and has been built for use in harsh and rugged environments. This burning military laser is classified as a Threat Assessment Laser Illuminator (TALI) and comes complete with an adjustable collimating focus lense to pinpoint your target with accuracy.
It was even featured in a "Future Weapons" episode on the Discovery Channel.

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3 years 21 weeks ago, 8:57 PM

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PS2 and 3 huh?

I take it you completed the missions with the Socom only also

Well I bought my Mark23 in '97 because I could and it was a onetime deal at the shop where I bought it.
Do you know the difference between the two?
the military and the civilian?
I've held both
The mark23 is the better choice with ambi- everything where the Socom is right hand dedicated
the Mk23 slide is enamel bake where the Socom is blued
My Mk23 was chipping from poorly ejected shells bouncing off the slide
It would do exactly what they said it would do and thats hit the same hole at 25 yds with ball ammo.
WHOOO HOOO!
I just sold it for 2k last Oct. a pretty crappy investment since I paid $1800 and got 2k for it
The clips cost 50 bucks each and the high-cap 12 round clips cost $150(1997)
It took 7 years to find a holster and the flap snap is to short(kept it)
It was big and clunky and kicked like a magnum making back-up tough
And needless to say I never fell in love with it
But the HK ELETE did catch my eye a few years ago in desert tan with 14rnd clip
And finally that infamous silencer. Designed for close in work like the video game
Sub sonic ammunition! Thats 720 fps! What does a 230 grain bullet do at 720 fps?
Not much, bought as useful as that bayonet lug on my Uzi.
Sorry to burst your bubble Snake but then again I bet you played a whole game without any kills huh.

3 years 21 weeks ago, 11:39 AM

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.45 230gr subsonic

.45ACP and 9mm damage. Graphic!
The entrance wound on the left was made by a 230-gr. 45-caliber Golden Saber. The one on the right was made by a 9mm 127-gr. Winchester +P+.

9mm 147 gr JHP Ballistics Gel Expansion -0.62"
.357 SIG 125 gr JHP Ballistics Gel Expansion -0.63"
.40 S&W 180 gr JHP Ballistics Gel Expansion -0.68"
.45 ACP 230 gr JHP Ballistics Gel Expansion -0.74"

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is that a cat?

We all can be misinformed at any given time.
I never tried shooting critters with the socom either.
So I wonder what is the training for shot placement with a bullet that fades rather quickly

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Whitetail deer. This was done on carcasses as a ballistics test. As far as shot placement, IMHO either round is meant for 2 legged critters and center mass is always advisable and generally effective.

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just about all of what you have said is the reasoning behind most of the Operators not carrying it these days. A number of them are glued to their 226 Elite's and or 220 Combat Tactical.

Though a 230 - 185 grain .45 doing 720 fps is still going to screw someones day up without armor being worn.

The SOCOM also can handle a hotter than normal round too, so I've been told by two different people who carried them. One is totally in love with his FN Tactical 45 and the other swears by his Sig 220 Combat, both have and use AAC can's with 200 grain hollow points and do quite well with them in that configuration. Even with full power defense loads, the cans cut the noise down there were you do not have to wear ears while shooting them on an in doors range.

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I just wanted to clarify that a Mark 23 is not an option for a USP. The Mark 23 was developed from the OHWS program. It has completely different internals than a USP and while it is large, for anyone who hasn't shot one, it's really nice. It's not for everyone, and its expensive. It is a great firearm though. The 3rd layer of finish could be a little more stout though.
Snake, the LAM you wanted is the prototype unit, but if you want the look, the TM airsoft LAM fits and is identical to the phase 1 prototype. The KAC suppressor is identical, minus the markings and can be had for 1299 from 3 different locations. The Mark 23 will run you new between 1800-2100 and lightly used ones won't be much cheaper. The airsoftgi lam, if you can find one, is around 60-80 dollars. The real deal is around 1500, and it doesn't look the same.

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