Want to say hey hello to all and what a truly hardcore site!
Im a cross linear bastard so I use Shotties mostly but with lasers its an even playing field >:)
Welcome to gunslot. Enjoy the site. What kind of shotty's to ya own?
Thanks for the welcome's all
My current Shotgun is a Mossy 500 w/ Weaver tri rail mount and a laser with a pistol grip
Feels kinda like cheating shooting 30-50' from the hip and consistently hiiting the Bulls eye, but after that the laser disappears and its time to earn my marks.
I would like to get the pro's and con's and some input on a 10mm pistol.
I was looking at .40 &.45 and stumbled on the 10mm and am curious now.
I made a mistake and picked up a .45 Kimber and it was love at first feel.$820
Then the Glock 20C 10mm for almost 1/2 that, but would take some getting used to mabe the back straps could help.
Thanks for any good input
Welcome man. Enjoy! There are a lot of great people on this site. If you need advice or have any questions just ask, this is the place!
Hey there. Welcome!
Pricey to shoot, though. Get rid of the 1911, get the Glock, be happy knowing you have the superior weapon.
Toss out the toy gun, Stick to the 1911... A century of performance. :)
I'm not sure if the compensated barrel is really needed, unless its strictly a target pistol (in which case, I don't know why you'd want 10mm).
My reason for this:
1. In a low light defense situation, the muzzle flash is directed upwards through the barrel ports, which will temporarily blind you and pretty much render you unless if there is more than one attacker (wolves hunt in packs), or you don't stop the threat with the first shot.
2. If you're using it for a primary carry/duty pistol, or a field gun/hunting backup (which is what the majority of G20's are used for) then debris will easily collect inside the barrel ports making you clean it often, when you should really only have to clean a Glock once every 25 years or so.
I have a G20SF, which I absolutely love. I did a few things to mine (Trijicon night sights, 22lb spring and full size steel guide rod, extended slide release, lone wolf bbl for shooting lead) but those are all personal preferences. I had a TLR-1 on it until I put it on something else, so I'll be replacing that soon. Anyway, its hard to beat a good 10mm load ballistically (until you get into magnum revolvers), and you have 15+1. For me, the 3rd gen SF fits perfect, so 4th gen and backstraps were not needed. I can't seem to make myself like 4th gen Glocks yet. If you can learn to tame the recoil (the 22lb spring helps a little) and practice with follow up shots, you'll be set. Just know where you're shooting. Hot 10mm loads will keep going.
As far as ammo goes, you can get Blazer or Remington for around $25 +/- a dollar or two for a 50rd box. Factory 10mm loads are usually pretty watered down, but good for practice. For the real stuff, I like Double Tap's loads.
Reaper, sounds like a fun one to shoot. The 10mm's are hard ones to find down here in Florida because everyone who has one will not get rid of it and those that want them use them Hog hunting.
I've shot a few different 10mm's and it seems to me that the Glock was the easiest to shoot, though the EAA Steel Witness was a close runner up. The Colt Delta Elite hit like a freight train and was not much fun at all. Though Tommy also had a Colt AR with a 10mm upper on it and that was a freaking blast shooting.
that would be interesting
Olympic still sells them.
I was thinking that the best Oh Shit setup would be an SBR in the same cal as your pistol. I really am hoping this .357 sig upper works out. I like the round in a 226 Elite, with the design and CTrace Grips it hits like a 9 mm and in a 10 - 11 inch barrel it would be devastating out to 50 yards.
I took the time and stomached watching the LeMass 5.56 Land Warfare Ammo tests on the Hogs. It really showed just how much bullet placement is key to a quick end to a situation. Even the lauded .45 cal did not out right kill the Hog. They hit is once in the chest from the side, it took it a while to bleed out and it was jumping around the whole time. Center Mass is good but center neck and up would be best. But then you have to deal with the Lawyers and the claim you meant to Kill and was wanting too. As if you pointed that weapon at them to scare them off....
There is a guy working on a .357 Sig upper at a local shop. He has just figured out how to bleed off enough of the gas so it will cycle correctly. He's using UZI mags from what I've seen. Personally I think it would be a pretty good CQB setup with the correct ammo.
I'll see if he will let me get some Videos from the range tests and post em..
.357SIG AR uppers/conversions were submitted to USSS a few years back but as far as I know none of them performed well enough to be purchased or deployed. They've dumped the P90 as well to the best of my knowledge.
As far as function, he shouldn't need to 'bleed gas' or even have a gas port in the barrel...with pistol cartridges 10mm and down it's a straight blowback operation and the weight/type of buffer along with the recoil spring are the only 2 variables.
I'm a huge fan of the 10mm; used to carry one on duty. Unless you need a handgun cartridge to perform at longer ranges (25m+) or defeat specific barriers, the 10mm is wasted power. Modern .45acp and .40SW outperform the 10mm with regards to expansion/penetration in most handgun applications....there have been VERY few modern bullets made with the 10 in mind, and many do not take advantage of the extra velocity available (CorBon DPX and PowRBall are both very mild, not much above their .40SW stuff).
As soon as a Federal HST, Gold Dot, Partition Gold, etc. is loaded in 10mm at beyond .40SW specs, then you'll see a 'better moustrap'. I doubt it'll ever happen since ATK regards the 10mm as a 'dead' cartridge and has for many years. The Silvertip, XTP, Black Talon, etc. are 20-year-plus designs and cannot equal the performance, esp. in the FBI tests, of newer bullets.
Smaller-batch manufacturers like DoubleTap turn out some great stuff, but most of it is still .40SW bullets loaded beyond their velocity envelope. The 180gr GDHP for instance actually winds up with a *smaller* expanded diameter at 1350fps vs. its intended velocity around 950-1050fps. Their new 125gr Barnes load looks terrific but I have yet to try any. My 10's stay loaded with the custom duty stuff McNett loaded for me, and I won't run out of it any time soon.
Spears were used for well over a century, but they've been outclassed since their invention. So has the 1911. If Glock had been around, the 1911 would be a footnote in fireams history, not a cover model every month for gunmags trying to earn more advertising money.