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3 years 48 weeks ago, 4:39 PM

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I was wondering if it was legal to hunt with my M1 Carbine? I want to hunt deer and varmints with it. Of course I could use my Nagant or Stevens 67 E, but want to try with my carbine at least once.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 5:24 PM

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but as always check your laws as to many " BANNER'S " IN THIS WORLD. It is a 30 cal use a good round and good luck.TY

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 5:50 PM

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tallguy basicly already said it"check your laws" magazine capacity here in ca is 5 i belive,although there seems to be great debate over some loophole or another.check it out for yourself through the apropriate chanels in your area.also,the .30 carbine isnt realy very powerful,so your gona have to place shots carefuly on deer,at a close range.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 5:56 PM

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5 round limit in the mag for hunting.

Do a google on VA hunting reg's...

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 6:29 PM

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Sounds good

Apparently I can hunt Groundhog with my carbine which is something I would like to do.

Rifles used for deer or bear must be .23 caliber or larger. So apparently I can hunt deer and Bear with my carbine. Also apparently no Mag limit so that means I can use my 15-round mag.

http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/hunting/regulations/general.asp

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 7:10 PM

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Snake,
you might check further into the regs. Sometimes they say the caliber must be .23 or larger WITH "X" foot pounds at "X" distance. They do this to dissuade people from using .32 pistols to hunt elk with.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 7:49 AM

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I heard it was legal

to use a .32 on an Elk as long as you bought it several drinks first.Maybe that was Colorado.I have never been able to explain how an unfired box of .32 shells has ended up in my ammo supply,i never owned a .32 that i can remember.might be a gun nut if......

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 7:57 AM

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Hmmmm

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to use a .32 on an Elk as long as you bought it several drinks first.Maybe that was Colorado.I have never been able to explain how an unfired box of .32 shells has ended up in my ammo supply,i never owned a .32 that i can remember.might be a gun nut if......

maybe your just LUCKY as I wish I was living in CO trying to move there so maybe I get those .32's from you and I bring a few bottles lol.. TY

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 6:29 AM

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lol. That's awesome. I'm going to have to dig that one up again.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 7:11 PM

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Sounds like a hunt

Cool Beans, now all you need to do is git-er-done.

I'd practice with it and get good with it, know the point of impact at different distances so I didn't have to chase anything down to shoot it again.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 7:27 PM

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ISD & Clint

ISD-I have been shooting the carbine a bit lately and am getting real good at it. My carbine has an adjustable peep site. It can move forward and back as well as a fancy knob that adjust left and right. So I will practice a bit before hunting starts.

Clint- Very good point made. I will check into it more. Thanks.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 6:53 AM

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Remington 110gr JSP, or the better Speer 110gr Gold Dot would be acceptable deer ammo in the m1 carbine platform. Heed the aforementioned advice to place shots carefully, and well inside the 75-100yd effective range of the cartridge, and since northern deer can get much bigger than in other states I'd be even more careful in VA. (Yes I know VA is 'da Sowf' with regards to our domestic war).

The Federal JSP has shown in tests to expand poorly if at all, very much like an FMJ. The Winchester 110gr SJHP can expand/frag early and is not the best choice either.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 10:57 AM

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I never could wrap my head around the fact that FL isn't considered the South to many of the Rebel ilk yet VA is.

Though I do have to admit that there isn't that many of Crackers running around anymore. All these Yankme's down here dirtying up the Beach and all. hehe

The Deer down here you could pretty much hunt with a Pellet Gun. Mostly about the size of a Dog up until you get farther North up near the Georgia border then you get into White Tail and do not see as many Key Deer.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 6:28 AM

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Hell, most Texans don't consider Dallas the south. To the natives, it's a "yankee enclave". lol

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 2:54 PM

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da sowf

and nobody wants what's in Austin! Lib city.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 2:22 PM

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I meant to reply to this before, but have been busy. Yeah, that's no lie. I'm a Texas Longhorn fan, but I don't know if I want my son going there for school. He'd probably come back with corn-rows, tie-dye shirt, red-eyes, and beating a bongo drum. lol

As much as I love him, if this happened I think I would have to dis-own him, and I don't want to lose my son.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 11:49 AM

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Head Shot?

The way ya all make it sound under powered suggests to me that a Head shot from 80yds would be the most effective yes?

In any case a head shot is more my style anyways as I dont think a .30 would hit the heart of a deer due to the thick muscle and hide. And plus a head shot pretty much will drop on the spot.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 12:06 PM

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I take that back

It WILL clean cut through the hide and muscle!

Doe Shot With M1 Carbine
This doe was shot at about 60 yards with Remington soft-point hunting ammo.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 12:58 PM

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Nice shot doe & real nice rifle con grads

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 1:12 PM

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Oh no this is not my handy work. I googled an image for an example.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 1:01 PM

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deer arent really known for having thick hide and muscle,compared to other medium/large game like pig,bear, elk.getting into the chest cavity shouldnt be all that hard at under 100yds,but the placement of the shot is important,and the ammo you choose will ultimatly be the point on wich your kill will hinge.(an fmj will easily get into the chest cavity,but wont be devistating enough to get you a clean kill.)

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 1:15 PM

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Very good point. I may use the Remington Soft point like the fella used in the pic above to take the doe. If it works for him it may work for me if I find a good point of impact.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 3:14 PM

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snake.ill be doing my deer hunting this year with one of three older weapons.rem 1100 shotgun with rifled barrel,so bear is doable if i run into one at shorter range.mosin nagant bear and deer at longer ranges.sks deer only at shorter ranges less than 200yds.abot 150 it will do verry well with 158gr jsp.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 3:21 PM

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I will bee doin my deer hunting with my carbine when season is open. I havent check yet when season opens so I will have to do that soon. I will try to bag 2 deer this season. One with the carbine and the other with the nagant.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 6:15 AM

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Headshots on most game animals are very likely to result in an inhumane kill or wounding only. The position of the brain in many mammals is nothing like that of a human, and their heads are almost constantly moving, even if only slightly. I've done a couple headshots on wounded deer at work and regretted it (12ga).

A co-worker consistently takes smaller whitetail with marginal calibers (.223) with neck shots. Assuming the deer is broadside at no sharp angle, the .30 should be able to down it with a shot to the heart/lungs area. Google deer anatomy target and you'll see a proper aiming point.

The Remington 110gr JSP is cheaper and more readily available than the Gold Dot.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 6:49 AM

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Headshots on game

TLG is 100% right about this. I was going to post this, but saw his reply. Many less experienced hunters ask about headshots a lot. The answer is always the same, don't do it.
Deer would be the prime example. The deer moves it head a lot. Even when it's body is still. It's a smaller target. To be quite honest, you are more likely to just miss, but the problem arises when you do hit it. If you are aiming at the chest cavity, a bullet that is an inch or so off its mark will still destroy something vital. A inch off when aiming at the head is usually a miss, or worse, a shot in a non vital area. If you hit a deer in the jaw, you can cause a VERY inhumane death for that deer. You won't be able to recover it, because it will run away and you'll never find it. But it won't be able to eat and will starve to death.

Bottom line is, don't do it.

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An exception, IMO, would be squirrels. You are usually at a distance that you are going to hit, and if you don't then it's a clean miss, not a mess.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 1:29 PM

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Head Shot

Good point from both of you. I will go for a heart or lung shot like suggested. Thanks for the advice before I make a mistake. I dont like to see animals suffer whether it be a possum or deer. So a broad side shot is what I will do.

As for squirrels a .30 is a bit over kill so I best stick with my .22 Marlin for that.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 3:45 PM

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Head shot...

I generaly ain for the base of the spine. I also use a .308 (I know a freakin canon) due to my confort level with the rifle. All my hit's have been instant kills or clean misses. I hope I'm not Jinxing myself, but hate to see any animal needlesly suffer, even those stinkin pigs.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 3:53 PM

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I would love to hunt some bacon but not sure where to hunt them in VA. I think a .30 is just right for a hawg.

Question: Say I hit a deer in the side and it drops but starts kick and freakin out and junk. Would a head shot be humane to put it out of its misery? I ask this due to it freakin out must show its in pain and suffering right?

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 4:56 PM

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I think Reaper even said it and Vaq, I do not like suffering of any kind, I always give a behind the ear shot for deer, unless a trophy buck, then straight chest heart, even if you have to get down with the gun, but not close to the deer. We had a big drive going one year and the kind you don't really want, where the shooters were in a center circle type apart but center. we all converged and I thought thankgod no deer, even though most shooters were in stands. But Uncle was on ground. 5' away deer was standing breathing heavy and 6 pointer, we all yelled no shoot, no shoot! That deer pinned my uncle to the pine tree for what seemed eternity, yet it was really about 45 seconds and my uncle was a big man and could not get an inch of that deer off him, my older brother actually stabbed the deer with a 16" blade above the front leg & a little behind but got the heart and down it went. But to this day none of us have a clue how long, where, was it running in circles, did it freeze, and just stand there and then take off. Just no clue. But one strong animal, I would not want to meet without a weapon. JC

3 years 47 weeks ago, 5:10 PM

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I should have added that in jersey you could only use a shotgun, at least 410w/slugs on up or down to 10 ga. most 12ga, I personally always and jersey law because it is flat, no rifles at all, which does not make sense to me with slugs and stuff, but also only 3 shots allowed in gun at anytime. So I would go with slug,00buck,thenslug again. My thinking was slug for distance and accuracy, and then double0 buck in case of schrubs, and in need of suffering kill shot the slug in head or heart, and I always used a pump model 1200 winchester so the pump I could get to the buckshot quick without wasting a slug etc on kill shot. and answer your PM. John

3 years 47 weeks ago, 5:33 PM

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Shooting a deer with a shotty is not my style for 2 reasons. 1. buck shot,i dont like the idea od lead in my deer jerky lol and 2. I seen my step dad shoot a deer with a 12 gauge when I was little. I dont know the shot size but I remember the deer drooping on th hill side and "Break Dancing". (Thats why I asked if a head shot was humane when the deer is down but not out")

So I will personally stick to my carbine or nagant to deer hunt with. I am still looking in to restrictions on ammo limits in mags. However I have not ran across any.

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Head shot

I would not approach a wounded deer, wait for another clean shot. If the deer does take a hit in the vitals, it may not even drop. I've seen clean heart shots and the deer still ran 50 yards. If it does drop, it won't suffer long. Most old timers will tell you to wait a while before approaching a deer you are convinced is dead. The old tales about the hunter laying his rifle in the antlers for a photo and the deer "waking up" and running off with the rifle has a spark of truth to it.

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to it you can cut the neck to bleed out,but I do not like that as it takes time and u have to be next to it.as for hog google your area Florida has a lot of them and you can pay and they make sure you get one.Just do not go on private land you might get shot.TY

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If you are in Texas it is Legal if it is a 10 round Mag. as to where you are at check on the Laws there. if you have any other question Snake let me know. I will try to answer as best as I can.

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