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5 years 1 week ago, 2:45 PM

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Recoil in rifles "for hunting" is somewhat of a suppressed subject. I don't know if manly men don't think others manly if they complain about recoil in their old thuty-thuty. Or, recoil whiners need to stay home in their smoking jacket. Some Outdoor writers have got the bore caliber required to kill an Elk at .35 up to .471 biggahummer. A 30.06,and similar calibers were once thought to be sufficient to hunt Elk with, after all, wasn't that what we were told. But every year something happens(progress). I believe the industry continues to push larger artillery. Or is PETA pressuring the industry about the critters we harvest don't get dead enough when we make them dead (ded) dead? Whatever, me-thinks there is a continued "bigger is better" push from those that are "the Industry".
We do have a huge number of calibers available to hunt the Deer, Caribou, Elk, Moose, Black Bear critter. Some calibers more suited than others for that specific animal. I love to see new cartridges and rifles come out, don't get me wrong. What I'm seeing though is a Magnum round being touted for certain animals as the only efficient/compassionate way to hunt them.
When I check the weight of the rifle I see the manufacturer bragging about the damn piece of iron is 9 1/2 lbs. It's 9 1/2 lbs because the recoil is in the 30's and we are told the "average" shooter says ow'weey. If you need that .41~ Thunderwhizzer at 9 1/2 lb for your 105lb Bambi it tis OK with me. It's also OK with me if you hunt your Elk with a 5lb, .340 Weatherby.
I do believe somewhere in the middle (call it animal wellness)is the way to go. Too much energy and the hunter can't hit squat. If they are new at the game they may decide to quit. After all several writers said the .41~ Thunderwhizzer with snow cone control was the ultimate. Other folks said the new.369 Stagger at 5 lbs made you quiver in the morning.
I have humped many trail, mostly up and down. I do like "light" stuff. When I shoot off the Bench I also wear a sissy pad (medical reason)which allows me to be extra comfortable.
What are your thoughts: 1. Are there more Magnum calibers today than ten years ago and do they actually fill a meaningful "space"? If so, Why?
2.Why are rifles so heavy ? Why is the average non-magnum over 7lbs.?
3.Can you hit the door of your pickup truck at 400yards?
4.Can people shooting that Ultra-Light StaggerDoNutHoleMaker be accurate?

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5 years 1 week ago, 4:08 PM

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the new rifles are more powerful. But I think the industry has a Tim Allen
complex rr. I personaly perfer my 3030 winchester its light after all day of hunting, compared to alot of other rifles out there. but at the same time I think every one should have a choice.

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5 years 1 week ago, 11:34 PM

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I have noticed this also. If you were to believe the hunting magazines, every hunter needs the latest SuperUltraShortTacticalBeltedMagnum rifle with built-in laser rangefinder and digital SD media port to film the shot. The fact is that a .30-06 loaded with 180 gr SP will kill any herbivore in North America and the same gun with 220 gr SP will take care of the meat eaters. .30-30 is still a great brush gun and very suitable for hunting in the woods. I don't have real numbers, but I'm willing to bet the .30-06 and .30-30 together have killed more American big game than all the other smokeless cartridges combined.

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5 years 1 week ago, 2:18 PM

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I'll bet you are right. I have an .06, but haven't had it out of the yard in years, except to shoot it at the range. I favor my .280 Rem. (.06, cartridge case) or now my lightweight Kimber 84M, .338FED. The Kimber weighs less than 6 1/2 lbs. w/Leupold FX II,3x9 ultralight & sling. I do not want to chase Bambi around the swamps (now that is political correctness).
My Marlin 1894 .44 is a super little lever action. If you are pooh poohing the little gun I suggest you check the ballistics of a .44mag popping out of a rifle. A nice 100 yard rifle. This is my 30.30 replacement.
As an old game taker in North America I would also have to include the .303 British for our Canadian friends.

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5 years 1 week ago, 8:26 AM

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When I was in high school, farmers around where i lived offered 35 dollar bounties for coyotes and I had an Enfield No 4 MK 1 .303 Brit. I'd just stake out the cow ponds where the coyotes would come to drink or hunt bullfrogs and blast 'em. That .303 soft point would spin 'em around and leave pretty ghastly wounds. Farmers didn't care about keeping the pelt clean, they just wanted proof the fuckers were dead. I more than paid for my rifle and ammo pretty quickly.

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5 years 1 week ago, 8:30 AM

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runaway poor Wiley.

Beep beep my ass, runaways going to kill something.

5 years 1 week ago, 8:35 AM

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My wife's had a Rem 700 varmint rifle in .223 for months now and she's finally going to fire off a couple rounds so I can get started on breaking in the barrel. I've already tooled up for loading .223 for it. Gonna be nice. I really need to get my surefire supressor for my Bushmaster so I can kill some critters from my back door without my old-ass anti-gun neighbors getting mad. Fuckin' retirees.

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5 years 1 week ago, 8:38 AM

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for a coyote. I have used as small as a a .22 Hornet, but the .22/250 was the best in Colorado.

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5 years 1 week ago, 8:40 AM

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Sounds like fun

Retirees not much fun to hunt. Slow, very slow. Probably Safeway parking lot as they back out without looking back, should be justified homicide. Sometimes a tough shot because you can't see their heads above the seat. Those big ass wrap around dark sunglasses that look like welders goggles that they wear, geesh.

5 years 1 week ago, 8:44 AM

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right margin cut-off!?

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5 years 1 week ago, 8:59 AM

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Right or left margin?

I just put cursor on left margin and moved it back over. I am sure it is just a glitch, that can be corrected. PM's work great now, so far!

5 years 1 week ago, 8:50 AM

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and as for hunting the neighbors, the woman rides a horse about every morning, so I can probably "Christopher Reeve" her.

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5 years 1 week ago, 8:58 AM

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You really are wasting your time as a cop. You need to be writing fiction.
You have a great mind and a way with the word. Spell checker and Editors will do the polishing up. Do a treatment, basic story layout, then expound.
You are very good at expounding. Take a creative writing course. You have the experiences, write about the liberals, for a change and how bad they are. I wish I had your God given talent.

5 years 1 week ago, 9:08 AM

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It's called "The World According to Dave". It's just a collection of thought, views, and ideas from a guy who's not famous, not special, and not of elite pedigree. I also thought about "Faces of America" or some variation, in which I get anecdotes or stories of life experience from random people I meet. I think about that a lot, because my grandfather was just a normal guy as far as I knew, but then I found out that when he joined the army, he rode around the country on a train for three months going from camp to camp because of a series of clerical mistakes, was on the design team for the Nike missile, and hit a guy in the face with a pipe wrench after the guy threatened him for crossing a picket line during a strike. Now I look at people sometimes and just wonder what kind of unique story or experience they might have. Especially members of the Greatest Generation and now the Korean War guys, as we are going to lose a lot of history when those people leave us.

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5 years 1 week ago, 9:12 AM

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Titles need some work. I am sure you will do great with it. Throw in you vehement hatred for all that is wrong with this country, bash Hollywierd and you should sell a copy or two...

5 years 1 week ago, 9:16 AM

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Having hate in your heart is not Christ-like. And it increases your heart rate, thus throwing off your aim. Hold on, Sean Penn, gotta calm back down.....

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5 years 1 week ago, 9:18 AM

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