Hey man in 1540 there were no illrgals here only the Native Americans. So we are all descended from immigrants legal or illegal. But I say, they must come to this country legally, like some of my ancestors did. I have found them in the Ellis Island Registers and databases. So I know that I am a legal. Don't come to this country illegally then make demands on me and others. Go back, apply and do it right. Anyone here illegally should be DNA'd, sent home and if they return illegally, they will never be allowed in.
YOU DON'T JUDGE A COUNTRY BY HOW MANY WANT IN TO IT, BUT BY HOW MANY WANT TO GET OUT OF IT!
the native indians tried to stop illegal imigration and they got casino's
what pisses me off is illegals that get free health care and dont pay any fuckin taxes
over here in Chicagoland we have allotn of Polish immigrants , but they also spen allot of thier money back into the economy.you know booze and speeding tickets and burritos.
People will come here legally and illegally because regardless of the shit storm we're about to enter it's still the best country there is. One of the reasons that people come here illegally is that in some states we do give them healthcare and other benefeits for nothing. When I lived in The Peoples Republic of California we voted against this, then the liberal lawyers took it to court and overturned it. (Sound familiar, they did with the gay marriage thing too.) Anyway, as long as people can get something for nothing they will come, especially if that something is better than that wich they were working for. It's all about getting better economically. It's not right, but thats the way it is until we change it. As long as it doesn't get changed back by bleeding heart moron lawyers backed by even less intellegent and moronic politians buying votes with peoples livelyhoods.
so what you're saying is there are other better reasons for killing illegals?
I know that illegals are hurting the image of those that are here legally. Many of my spanish speaking friends can't stand those that come here illegaly. I'm not trying to single out anyone race, this is just my example. We need to quit giving handouts and being so sensitive to them because they might be a "minority" or something. Stiffer penalties to those that employe illegals, nothing free to anybody, that includes U.S. citizens, and deport them back to there country, just make it a long ways from their home state, city, whatever. Thats my view.
The illegals dome here and want to work, We have millions of people that just go on generational welfare and suck us dry. Lets end welfare and make people work those jobs that illegals take. That will stop immigration, when the people here do the jobs.
i can see both sides. allot of valid points on both sides. But I feel the point is mute, Because of the Economy being as bad as it is ,everyone is losing jobs.and hopefully when it picks up again ( and it will ) employers will be going by the book on hiring practices because everyone is really watching now.Allot has to change for us to get back to prosperity and theres too much bullshit that we have discovered causing this recession, and i think too many big shots lost too much money to screw it up again.
this problem is to secure the borders. Don't let them cross whenever they feel like it. Put up a REAL border and patrol it. If someone wants to become an American, then go through the naturalization process and learn English. We would love to have you here. Paying taxes and bitching about the illegals is our God given right as Americans and we would love for you to join in the conversation.
I hate to say this but, the only thing that can be done about the illegals that are here now is...Amnesty. Grant them citizenship, give them a Social security card, teach them English and absorb them into the system. Let the tax money that they generate help pay for the English lessons that would be required for them. Then we could get back to a single language on the soup cans. El Campbell's Pollo Soupo just ain't right. If you want to become a citizen of the United States of America, then BECOME one. My ansestors did it and it was good enough for them. What makes the Mexicans any different?
Think about the jobs that could be created. Government jobs...Hey liberals, can you hear me talking to ya? Government English teachers, funded by the taxes of the new "citizens". Would that not work? Our government is going to become larger than it has ever been, so why not make a program that might actually work?
by establishing a 10 year National goal of rounding up, and expelling 12 million illegal aliens, while at the same time actually sealing the borders, seaports and airports. It will not take space technology to accomplish that, and it will demonstrate to the rest of the world that the PEOPLE of the USA are no longer going to countenance Executive and Legislative branches of the Federal government whose primary accomplishments are running around in circles, with their heads up each other's asses. It will also demonstrate the resolve of the PEOPLE to insure that our immigration laws WILL be enforced, firmly but fairly. It will similarly demonstrate to the islamo-extremists/terrorists that we are not only going to defeat them OUTSIDE the country, but importantly, INSIDE the country also [intel is no less than 6 al Qaida cells operational, at some level in the USA right now].
I am not advocating an internal US "Gestapo". However, a national immigration investigative force with very limited, circumscribed authorities, could be very effective.
I don't know if the capitol it would take to build a real border barrier is possible. Besides the distance it would cover, the terrain is rough as hell too. The places these people come through to get here are hot, steep cactus filled ravines. If anybody knows somebody around Sierra Vista Az., possibly stationed at Ft. Huachuca, they can attest to it. Theres no building a fence there. Southern Ca. is an ugly place as well. Not sure about New Mexico and lets not forget the largest state in the lower 48. I'm for keeping them out, just not sure of the best way yet. I've seen the National Guard all over at the border here but I think their hands are tied other than to watch. Plus I think drugs are the main concern at this point down there. As for Canada, don't trust a people that don't even know if they're French or what. The still print a picture of the queen on the curreny too. Whos' are real problem? Poor people to the south or confused socialists to the north? I 've met some cool Canadiens, I know it's their respective governments that are the problem. Just trying to be a little funny to some extent.
annex Mexico and make it the 53rd state. I hear the fishing is great down there. This is what is happening here already, except we aren't getting the land out of the deal. Or the good fishing.
Are you referring to the seperate states in Mexico, Chihuahua, and....,shit, I can't remember any others right now for some reason.
CABO SAN LUCAS IS MOSTLY AMERICAN ANYWAYS.
THEY HAVE SO MANY UNTAPPED OIL, AND DANCING DONKEYS
I don't need the donkey show thing. My mind is so warped as it is. I think that would push me over the edge of sanity. All joking aside, we bought some blackberries from Safeway the other day and they were grown in Mexico. They weren't very good and I know lots of people who view blackberry bushes as a nuisiance and cut them back. Those are usually good too. I don't get it. No problem with Mexican people, just Mexican government.
VERY CORRUPT GOVERNMENT. ALWAYS HAS BEEN
From what I've read he sort of started alot of the corrupt stuff. Not always sure of the history I read though, remember "To the victor go the spoils" and the ability to write history to their point of view.
we take them over, overthrow their oppressive government, put up 10000 Starbuck's, cut down their crappy blackberry bushes and go fishing for peacock bass while swilling some fine ass tequilla. I like it! Who's with me?
THEY WOULD KILL THIER OWN HEROES IF MENT MAKING A BUCK. SANTA ANA WAS AN IDIOT. ZAPATA WAS A TRUE FIELD GENERAL AND THEY KILLED HIM. PANCHO VILLA WAS A CROOK....BUT A SMART ONE. BUT HE EVENTUALLY FUCKED HIS OWN PEOPLE MORE THAN HE HELPED THEM.
Don't forget the sombrerros and wool ponchos too. I need to get me another poncho. The women running around with perma-tans are pretty nice as well.
AND THE WOMEN IN MEXICO LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE AMERICANS......BELIEVE ME IN MY YOUTH I LIVED THERE FOR A YEAR.......LIKE A CANDY STORE GENTLEMEN
I'm putting fuel in the bus. Get your guns, your fishing poles, 10 cases of condoms and a spare liver and let's make Mexico the newest United State.
Oh, Yeah...I have been told that you can get some fine Cuban Cohiba's down there too. First stop...Cancun!
I'll meet you someplace in Texas. I want to go check out copper canyon and then do some deer hunting. I can shoot those little coues whitetail here. I'm talking the big muleys they got. After that we'll shoot the best tequilla they got.
that is a deal clencher right there. Hot Latino chicks, Cuban cigars, good tequilla, great fishing, deer hunting. What are we waiting for... REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!! And then... VACATION!!!!!!
How about we take Canada and Mexico. We then have what no country has. Water, Forests, Diamonds, Oil (North & South). We run the water from Canada all the way South. Look at the irrigable land we now have. We have the people to grow crops. We feed us and sell surplus to the World. All our borders are now defensible. We build Cities in Mexico for the hut dwellers inland from the Ocean. We develop a thousand miles of pristine beaches into luxury condos for the retired. Nice weather, fishing, hunting, Tequila, all the comforts of home. We would be the Greatest Nation in the World. Build infrastructure in Mexico, electricity, fresh clean water, sewers, schools, roads and healthcare. What a country.
of the Mexican plot?? Watch for free Tequila inundating the USA. The strategy is to have a major part of the male populous contract cirrhosis of the liver. Once most of us are disabled, the attack will come.
As the Mexican Citizens cannot own guns all they will have is Bean Shooters. OH my GOD, GAS, GAS, GAS
masks, ASAP, before the Tequila gets here.!!
We're expecting a huge influx of illegals in Ft Huachuca because a 30 mile fence is going up except in the Huachuca Mountains . I proposed making FT Huachuca a free-fire zone, but of course I was told no. Ft Huachuca is the Army's intelligence training center and has a lot of secret squirrel shit on post. Why we wouldn't shoot infiltrators attempting access to a facility like this on sight is beyond me. I can see arguments from both sides, but come on now. Sure, most of us are decended from immigrants, but at least our forefathers had a difficult journey to get here. Hell, even the Cubans have to deal with a short ocean crossing. There are actually water points along the border so illegals don't die of dehydration while sneaking into our country. Water stations that we pay for, along with medical care that we pay for, welfare for their worthless asses that we pay for. Not to mention the smugglers that come across. I live very close to the border and when I first got here our neighbors said if an illegal comes to the door and asks for food or water that it's best to give it to them. They said if you refuse or call the Border Patrol and they turn out to be cartel smugglers, they'd come back and kill your family or burn your house down. The idea of American citizens having to give up what is theirs for fear of being hurt by illegal invaders is disgusting to me. Granted, my neighbors said they don't believe in guns (but they're wrong. Guns exist, I have some), and wouldn't be able to kill someone even in self-defense. It is funny how a grown man can consider himself a man after admitting he can't and won't protect his family. But I digress. Kill illegals on sight. Ted Nugent says it best when he says people know if they break into his home they will die. Nobody has broken in, so nobody has had to die. Treat our borders like the walls of our home.
to our HOMES. Well said runawaygun.
1) replace our government with one that more closely resembles the one our founding fathers started.
2) create legal ways to usher good people in.
3) replace "Bush Doctrine" with sane doctrines of use of existing technologies: satellite, atmospheric unmanned aircraft, on the ground devices and trained personnel with a mandate to stop the traffic of drugs and slaves...
4) put REAL consequences in place for those who acquire illegals (workers, sex slaves etc)
5) terminate favored nation status with Mexico until they start holding up their end: keep their thugs a minimum of fifty miles from our border, take over the scum towns near our borders that serve as bases for their illegal activities.
6) mandate, not prohibit, pro-active and reactive use of every military resource available when confronting their thugs at the border (including use of pro-active snipers, special extermination teams from SEALS and other special forces...
all of above is doable, but only with the will of the American people being known to the leaders in a significant way.
right now the governors in power WANT open borders...therefore we HAVE open borders...