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5 years 38 weeks ago, 5:55 PM

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Ok so here is a good example of the CDC costs. Read through this.

PRISON LIFE INSIDE C.D.C.
With the crime rate on the rise in California and the passage of legislation like the "THREE-STRIKES LAW", our state prison system is packed beyond capacity. With an annual budget of $3.6 billion, California taxpayers often complain that prisons are like country clubs, since inmates get three square meals a day and higher education more than even some law abiding citizens can hope for. California has the second largest prison system in the world, second only to China (See FOOTE Page 1). It is difficult to grasp that our state has a larger prison population than any other country in the world with the exception of China. This report will examine the California Department of Corrections, exploring the taxpayers view that prisons are like country clubs. The general public tends to think of prisons as place where inmates have free and unlimited access to education, fitness, and entertainment all while being fed, clothed, and sheltered using tax dollars. While some of these services are available, I will show that the average California prison does not serve simply as a vacation spot for criminals, but in fact, life inside is difficult and dangerous. If the state prison industry were standardized, it would not only run more efficiently, but would cost less and result in a lower repeat offender rate.

Taxpayers tend to complain about the money spent on the system, because as the California Department of Corrections (CDC) states in its web page, it costs more to house an inmate than to educate a child. Currently, it costs $21,509 per year to house an inmate however, the bulk of this price is not "three meals, television, and health care." Instead, it is for the security of the institution guarding inmates around the clock. Security accounts for forty seven percent of this cost, or $10,240 per inmate, per year. As CDC states in its web page, inmates "must be supervised twenty four hours per day, seven days a week." The prison staff must oversee the inmates movements "from the time they wake up, during meals, when working or in class, during free time in the dayroom, and believe it or not, when they are asleep" (See CALIFORNIA Page 1).

In 1994 the Little Hoover Commission, an independent agency created to oversee state government operations, studied the California Department of Corrections. According to their report, the goal of the system is to rehabilitate and punish inmates but does it? The answer is NO! While the system does punish, it does little to rehabilitate, and many feel the punishment is often worse than the crime in terms of time served behind bars.

The programs needed for drug and alcohol rehabilitation have been virtually eliminated, "only a tiny fraction 3% of prisoners in need of drug treatment receive it, " (SEE FOOTE Page 6). A judge can send a person to state prison for up to five years for possession of rock cocaine, but there is little or no drug rehabilitation offered to that person. (See CALIFORNIA Page 22). As FOOTE states in his report, it is unfortunate that the "dead" time behind bars cannot be utilized for training, education, drug treatment, and other therapies for inmates, the large majority of whom will be returned to the free world within a few years."(See FOOTE Page 6) Without some kind of training, these offenders will be back inside a few years, continuing to cost the state money. One report likened the idea of sending a drug user who has been convicted of committing robberies to finance his habit to state prison, to "a maid sweeping dirt from the floor under the living room rug. The dirt from around the house has not been removed. The problem has not been solved, it is just out of sight." (SEE MARZINSKY Page 6). He then goes on to say of the prisoners that eventually get out.

"Many of them are getting out in worse shape than they went in, much angrier. Many have been raped, beaten, robbed, and psychologically brutalized by other inmates to levels unimaginable to the average working man." (See MARZINSKY Page 9).

This is not conducive to a productive return to society. Though television talk shows and media leads us to believe that inmates are getting free higher education at taxpayer expense, this is simply not the case. However, some kind of standardized educational system is needed within the prison system, since many inmates have turned to a life of crime due to lack of education. As the Little Hoover Commission reported in 1994, "Fifty-six percent of male inmates cannot function at a ninth grade reading level and "20,000 don't speak English and the vast majority never have developed skills to hold a job successfully." (See CALIFORNIA Page 108)

Works Cited:
http://www.inmate.com/inmates/davidvlifeincdc.htm

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5 years 38 weeks ago, 6:04 PM

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And Here is My idea

So if California is in such debt, than why are we paying for dirtbag scum to exist? I have a much much better less expensive, actually money producing idea.
Since gangbangers murderer's etc... always say how tough they are, then why not give them a chance to prove it??? I say, bring back the competition of Gladiator's. So here is how it will go, you take a coliseum, modify it to be secure, like a holding system. Then you take your offenders, and throw them in a ring and let them battle each other with mid-evil weapon's. I think having a conveniently placed incinerator would be good to to keep the bodies from piling up. It would be great, let them battle it out, if they think that they are so tough. It would give great incentive not to voyage to a life of breaking the law. Now i am not saying that the dude caught for imbezlement (spelling?) or traffic tickets or simple theft should be punished like this, but your life sentence,murderer's rapist's and any and all GANGMEMBERS should, YES, be thrown through this. The only way to live is to fight. If you don't fight, you die. I love it, would be perfect, and you could charge for tickets and concessions. That would quickly help to bring California and possibly America out of the debt that we are in. And would definately bring the crime rate down.

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5 years 38 weeks ago, 6:07 PM

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Things have actually changed a little bit since then, after all this report was done over 10 years ago. Since then there have been a few important props to help with rehabilitation and so forth. I forget the name of the props but I will find out. My father in law is a rehab counselor here in Grass Valley. He is constantly being commended on his helping our community. Most of his clients are direct results of our propositions ( I keep thinking prop 28 for some reason)

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5 years 38 weeks ago, 6:11 PM

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I kinda like your idea, in a morally sick and twisted way, but Im also the guy that enjoys watching al-queda blow them selves up, so I guess that doesnt say much for my morals.

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5 years 38 weeks ago, 6:53 PM

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i dunno about the gladiator idea, but the gangbangers, murderers, rapists, would get the death sentence quickly, drug uses would get minimum 5 years and drug dealers get the death sentence.

IF THE PERP GETS MORE THAN 30 YEARS, EXECUTE!!!!!

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5 years 38 weeks ago, 6:55 PM

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It would be a fundraiser also. Maybe each prison or city would have an all star team, and at the end of the season, they would have playoffs with rivals in their division... leading up to a national championship. The winner should be rewarded somehow. Female murders should be given out as slaves/brides to the champions. Of course, the reining champ will have to defend his title next season. we shall call this sport... "football".

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5 years 38 weeks ago, 6:55 PM

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So take all those derelicts and send em to Iraq, pull our brothers and sisters in arms from there so that they can be with there families. My buddy Chris is saying, "Send em over with just a KaBar, and let them kill them all. Robs saying send them over and drop supply boxes for them. Everybody agrees send them over, kill all the terrorists and if they win, then they can have the country.

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5 years 38 weeks ago, 6:56 PM

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REAPER!!

haha and then when celebs go to jail, we dont give them the star treatment, make paris hilton fight a big black woman who killed 50 people, YEAH!

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5 years 38 weeks ago, 6:59 PM

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she would be his slave woman... until his next match. If he gets defeted, the winner shall inherit her for the remainder of her sentence.

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5 years 38 weeks ago, 7:00 PM

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i can see it now, those dumb rappers who end up in jail vs the aryan brotherhood LOL

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5 years 38 weeks ago, 7:13 PM

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Thats exactly what I am talking about, death to the Gangs

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5 years 38 weeks ago, 12:39 AM

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""and any and all GANGMEMBERS should, YES, be thrown through this. The only way to live is to fight. If you don't fight, you die. I love it,"" you know i wonder how many of the gang members felt this way growing up and that is why they joined a gang? i aint making excuses or feeling sorry for them but just like the other forum post about people taking their own lives, who knows why people do things? there is always a way out? just for gang members and not for people wanting to commit suicide? and where do we draw the line on the "requirements" for gladiator school? (which, by the way is what they call Chino where all new prisoners go for orientation when sent to prison) No embezzlers? I bet if someone took all of your grandma's money by swindling her you would want blood. i know i would! what about drunk drivers? not unless they kill someone? how many of us have driven a little buzzed once or twice? i know i have. Send them to Iraq? sure. . . we talked about this before. but give them a gun and do it right, if they serve the full time required, let them go. The french foreign legion has been doing this and we did this during both world wars. . . . judges would give a guy the option, fight or jail.
you want to know the people i have problems with? REPEAT OFFENDERS. wether its bank robbery, drug dealing, rape, embezzling, drunk driving, what ever it is if your dumb ass keeps getting caught QUIT DOING IT! YOU SUCK AT IT!!!! i think that (and yes there are exceptions to every rule) everyone is entitled to fuck up!! its when you can't learn from your mistake that the punishment should be severe.
Just my thoughts on the subject

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5 years 38 weeks ago, 6:36 AM

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It's a culture problem

Drug dealers and users don't need to be "rehabilitated". It is not a chemical issue. It is a cultural issue. You live the life, you do the dumb shit that goes along with it. It's like a biker attending an AA meeting and then going to a rally and expecting him to be successful. Reduce the sentences on all drug and violent crimes to one year. Strap them to a chair, put an IV in their arm, and keep them going with just enough fluids and nutrients to sustain life. Put one of those electic muscle stimulators on them to keep from having all their muscles completely atrophie. Show before and after pictures of them on the nightly news. That'd be a deterrent.

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