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3 years 12 weeks ago, 6:55 AM

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My friends--I hate to sound like a raving paranoid, but I have an uneasy feeling that we may be being snookered by a President whose approval ratings are approaching going down the tubes. First we are treated to [finally] a release of his "birth certificate", which now appears to be an inept forgery--at least according to those who can use software to demonstrate HOW the forgery was accomplished. Next, we are treated to the long-hoped for eradication of Osama bin Laden, under circumstances that might cause many of us to scratch our heads.

It was a "kill mission" because if we captured him, we were concerned that al Qaida would take hostages to bargain for bin Laden's returm. Does anyone believe al Qaida is not capable of taking hostages or performing other acts of terrorism right now, just because we killed but did not capture bin Laden!!?? This is an example of Obama-fuzzy logic. It makes no sense. Then, there is a precipitous burial at sea, but not before we receive an announcement that there is DNA corroboration that it REALLY was good old Osama. More fuzzy logic: well, we did not want to burry him on land and create a shrine to be visited by hordes of already arroused Islamo-extremists who would use it as a center for recruiting and mobilization of more and more jihadists. Does anyone believe that al Qaida needs a grave site to do that?? And DNA--? I do not pretend to be a medical expert, but definitive DNA testing takes a while to perform carefully and accurately. Yes, you can do a paternity test in a day or so, but it would seem to me that this determination was important enough to do a full-court press DNA testing that would require much more time to complete. What exactly was the test performed? How about the expected accuracy? Where did they get the valid comparative sample of Osama's DNA to begin with? How could they have performed such a full boat test in such a short time?

They may release pictures, and they may show DNA results, etc.--but you can bet the pictures will be analyzed and might also be shown to be shopped, and you can bet the DNA results will be scrutinized. But I call your attention to Obama's already begun 2012 campaigning under circumstances of very low approval ratings. Perhaps the two events--birth certificate release and bin Laden's waxing may be pathetic attempts at getting a boost in the ratings. I say pathetic, because it shows what he thinks of the intelligence of the people of the USA. He conned the electorate in the 2008 campaign, and I think he may be conning us now.

WHAT DO YOU THINK??

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 10:41 AM

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I share your distrust with the machine that is government and Obama in particular; however, I am more skeptical of a conspiracy theory. If it quacks like a duck , smells like a duck, and looks like a duck...
The mission was a success. I do not believe the U.S. Military, especially tier one operators would proliferate conspiracy. I have know many tier one guys in my short life, the ones I know are "no bullshit guys".
I do not think anyone believes that al Queda will cease and desist their terrorist actions because OBL was killed. I do believe al Queda would have done everything it could to get back OBL body.
Pictures and a more accurate report of DNA testing could help people with closure, but right now, the circumstantial evidence presented seems overwhelming. My question: Would you be cross examining if Bush was President? (I actually think you would, but I have been wrong many times in my life.)
What you have failed to mention in your question was all the hard work the intelligence community has put into this operation. The SEALs were practicing for at least 1 month, running extra helo patrols inside Pakistan, and gathering data for the final assault. The CIA has had operatives passing information back to Langley since they identified the phone call that pinpointed the compound.
The release date of the birth certificate should be more scrutinized than the military action. That timing could be argued that BHO knew the raid was going to happen and released it to coincide with polling numbers, but the relentless attacks by Trump probably had more to do with it.

Just my thoughts,

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 4:10 PM

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on important matters in the past, I appreciate this one, wholeheartedly. I fear I am behaving like the holocaust deniers or the folks who believe that the trips to the moon were staged on some secret movie set. I cannot shake the gut feel that the "raid" and everything reported about it, so far , including the beautifully presented stills of the "events" being viewed in real time by the NSC in the Situation Room, have been very artfully presented. From your critique, I think you have accepted the party/media line. This is not meant to reflect anything negative concerning your position. This is to say--that is precisely what the Administration wants. My enlightened paranoia and my gut feel is that this story is unfolding very artistically......too artistically and smoothly for me to get to a point of believability. The President can make things happen, perhaps even beyond the ability of most of us to believe possible [media manipulation]. If Bush were president, and I suspected he was a closet Islamist, who perhaps was the Islamo-extremist "candidate", I would be "cross examining". Such are the rantings of an old head, who has seen too much history, and has taken to heart George Santayana's sage warning. [ see the religiously sanctioned principle of the "Taquia"].

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 8:50 PM

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I always find it nerve racking to comment on one of your posts. You might be the smartest guy I have never met. Your assessment about me taking the party/media line is precise. No negative connotation interpreted. Occum's razor just makes more sense to me in this case. There is no argument from me that the most important guy in the re-election campaign is the PR specialist, I will not disagree with you that the release of BHO birth certificate is suspect.
This military action did not happen when it was reported, it started with President Bush and the gathering of information for the last 9 years. I give BHO credit for sending men to kill the murderer rather than 2000 pounds of explosives, but the events predated his presidency.
One more point I want to explain and perhaps enlighten the jedi master, it does not surprise me at all the way the story is unfolding "artistically". The intelligence community and the tier one guys are extremely professional and loyal to our country. They train a lot. I do not know any SEALs, but I heard somewhere the tour with SEAL's lasts 3 years for most because they get burned out. I can not site my source, so if someone can, or correct me that would be great. My point is that the United States military and Intelligence community made BHO decision look genius, not his actual thought process.
I humbly concede the rest of time on the floor to the ranting of an old head who has seen too much history, I am of course typing about George Santayana..."only the dead have seen the end of war"

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 11:08 PM

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George Santayana also said something like " those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it"...or something like that.

I wish to challenge you--because the youth should be challenged. Here it is, and I put it to you and all my friends here--

WHY would we want to kill a primary, potential asset like Osama bin Laden? For revenge? To send a message? For "justice" sake? NO! This is war, and it would be a tactical and strategic blunder to allow emotion to overcome intelligent action. It would be insanity.

Let me put it to you all in this way: During WW II, as we approached fruition on the Manhattan Project [nuclear weapons development--Uranium and Plutonium], the Nazis knew they were racing us, but they were behind in the game. Suppose that the Nazis were clever enough to have kidnapped and spirited away J. Robert Oppenheimer, the "father" of the bomb. Do you in your wildest of dreams believe that the Nazis would have killed Oppenheimer because he happened to be a Jew!?
Even Hitler was not that stupid or insane.

I do not believe our leadership [despite my rejection of their politics] could be THAT stupid or insane. And therefore, I say to y'all: Dollars to donuts, despite the "picture[s]", Osama bin Laden is alive and he has been spirited away to a place that many of us will never know about in our lifetimes, and a place that al Qaida will never find.

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 8:06 AM

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I was not trying to be convoluted with my compliments. I always look forward to your "fatherly" advice and your sharing of your experiences and knowledge. I have learned much from you.

I see the logic of your scenario with Mr. Oppenheimer, but the law of probability needs to factor in this discussion somewhere. Perhaps it is my naive and impressionable young mind that can not fathom the industry it would require to implement this theory of yours. I may be alone in my synopsis, but OBL is dead. Elvis is dead, Hoffa is dead, JFK was shot by Oswald, we landed on the moon, and the fifth dentist did not like trident.

clint

edited: the fifth dentist did not like dentyne...

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 11:35 AM

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OK, Mr. Clint. You invoked Occam's Razor. I claim that my alternative is the most reasonable and parsimonious. So, you do not believe the Pres could pull that off without leakage, and you invoke the law of probability. Fair enough. Please give us your probablistic calculations and some sylogistic logic also. LMBFAO [no offense intended].
I am going to develop the scenario further. Upon information and belief, BO is a closet Islamist, who has invoked, as a good Muslim should, the Taquia for most of his adult life. There is copious information to support this, but I want to deal with the here and now.

Why would he contrive to spirit away OBL?? As I said, you do not kill one of the best sources of pertinent intel EITHER in a war situation OR, if you have other surreptitious uses for such intel. BO, IMO, is living a double life: First as POTUS, and second as a loyal supporter of and pretender to, leadership of worldwide jihad. Finding OBL gave him a tremendous opportunity to exploit the situation, while satisfying his narcissistic lust. Here's the plan:

I can spirit OBL away, wring him out and steal the march on al Qaida and at the same time get real insight into the workings and goals of the [sophisticated] Muslim Brotherhood. I can thus become a real player in worldwide jihad,and lend my ability to power the accomplishment of the objectives, and thus, ultimately become the over-all leader--Today Islam:Tomorrow the World!!
At the same time, as POTUS, and continuing with the Taquia, I can become a hero by finally breaking the genius of the REAL story of OBL to the people of the USA, and how the intel that I, BO so brilliantly obtained, is literally going to save us. All the while, he uses his power and authority to slowly and carefully insinuate sharia law, and ultimately make it ubiquitous, and his domestic success leads to his lionization by the Muslim Brotherhood, and their ultimate proclamation of him, as their Grand Leader.

NO! Glen Beck did not tell me to say these things. Ok--so it sounds like a reasonably interesting nucleus for a novel/movie., but my gut feel is it, or something like it,has a high probability of being real. I can hear it now--"That LLE is a senile old coot--but somewhat entertaining."

So there you are, Clint. Elvis IS dead,Hoffa IS dead, JFK WAS shot by Oswald, and we DID land on the moon, and I am not certain about the fifth dentist--BUT I am certain OBL is alive and well.

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 12:15 PM

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Okay, LLE you got me on the probability quotient. Please keep in mind your scenario relies on your belief that BHO is a Muslim. So unless you can prove he is, then your argument is as opinionated as mine. You keep saying BHO found OBL, this is just a small part of the information present you are concentrating on. BHO happened to be the president when all the intel came together which led to the killing of OBL. The gathering of information started nine years ago. It seems to me that you are playing a devils advocate. I intrepret your points as based on conjecture. You will fire back saying my points are based on lies from the media, the government, and the military. I must be naive to believe all these people are subscribing to the presidents Taquia and allowing it to happen. I just don't see it.
You may be correct, I may be correct, John Campbell mentioned this on a post he wrote earlier that we may never know what is happening within the government.
As far as I am concerned, you have an opinion and I have an opinion, it seems like we are the only ones really exploring this issue and I know I will never change your mind, and so far, there is no evidence presented by your excellent use of the English language to waver my belief.

good debate sir, I thank you for the opportunity.

clint

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 1:35 PM

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I like your style, and fortitude. Thankyou for being on this site JOHN

3 years 12 weeks ago, 2:02 PM

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prove that BHO is a [closet] muslim. But the belief stems from the seminal document from the Islamic schhool he attended, and the document that declared his affiliation as muslim. It also stems from description of his behavior over the years--mostly the application of Taquia to construct a desired image to obfuscate the real image..

I remember using the words reflecting BHO's finding of OBL, only once. That was in the context of how BHO wanted it persceived by the great unwashed people of the USA. I do not remember repeating it, or implying that no one else had anything to do with the hard work necessary to smoke OBL out. So, as near as I can tell, I did not "keep saying BHO found OBL".

Analysis, synthesis, conjecture, gut feel----all of those and perhaps some subliminal stuff too, went into what I wrote. Yes it IS an opinion, and I am happy with it because it is outside the box. If you thought I was trying to change anyone's "mind", I must tell you that I was not.. It is a pleasure and a privilege to offer a different perspective and see what that might precipitate. At least you and I had some fun.

More seriously, you will probably live long enough to see whether anything I put forth had any validity at all. If it should turn out that it did, please visit my grave at Barrancas National Cemetery, and let me know. On the other hand, if we discover reasonable accuracy while I am still alive and kicking, I promise to be kind and not bedevil you with I- told -you- so's.

Thanks, Clint

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 12:24 PM

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The statement --"That LLE is a senile old coot--but somewhat entertaining." is pretty accurate! I'm still undecided on where I stand on this. The probability is that OBL is most likely a boat anchor right now, but It is interesting and entertaining to consider LLE's theory. I like giving thought to most conspiracies only because I share the same distrust for big brother that I believe many of you do.

So LLE, under your scenario... would BHO be considered one of the three anti-christs or one of the four horsemen? If so, is he riding a pale, white, red, or black horse?

Hoffa is dead, Elvis is dead, Oswald was framed and the moon is sketchy. Four of the dentists were paid by Dentyne, one was paid by Trident.

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 2:12 PM

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I'm the one who said it, and I ought to know, having been LLE for almost 80 years. Sorry, I cannot answer your question about BHO, because I try to stay away from religiously based conjecture.

On the other hand, I think all five of the dentists committed suicide.

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 2:17 PM

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I heard it was a hit by Wriggles that got the Dentists, photos will be leaked toot sweet as everyone knows they can not keep anything secret for long...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 12 weeks ago, 2:38 PM

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No, not the show. The unknown variable. In this case, Aliens. The ET kind, not the south of the border kind. We didn't consider that did we? That's because the government doesn't want us to, so they blocked those thoughts from us. But I'm wearing my aluminum hat. Ha ha ha ha. Take that, secret govt. agency!
Oh hell! I just posted this. Now they're on to me. If you don't hear from me again, the MIB got me. The truth is out there! I am not crazy!

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 10:50 AM

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dead on with this comment. I too began wondering about the birth certificate as soon as I heard about it. I had found it funny that Obama's (public opinion) ratings had fallen to as low as Jimmy Carter's were at about the same point in his first (and only) term. I think that with Trump announcing that he was going to go after the birth certificate, Obama felt that he had to do something to redirect. Like someone else said in another post, "give me a couple million bucks and 2 years, and I can produce a birth certificate that says I am Obama!"

Oddly enough, I believe that with that much money, the position he holds, and resources he commands, I think he can not only produce a good fake, but have it authenticated to a point that makes it hard to prove it is a fake. I'm not saying it is or is not a forgery, but personally, I have my doubts that it is the real one. There was too much secrecy at the beginning of his presidency for me to believe much of what he says or produces on this issue.

Secondly, on the issue with Usama bin Laden. It is truly amazing that suddenly, after all these years, we suddenly have information as to his whereabouts, and even more than that, find out that he is in a compound near where several of the Pakistani Generals, live. It all seems too coincidental. At least to me. I don't like it. No pics, a DNA test that I find questionable at best, and the only proof is their say-so. Sorry, if I sound like a "Doubting Thomas," but in this case I am. To set the record straight, even if it were Bush, McCain, or any other person in the same situation, I believe that I would also have doubts.

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 3:41 PM

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My $.02

Let me start by saying, if I offend you with what I am about to say, I did not mean to. I won't apologize because this is how I feel and, as I said, I do not intend to offend. Only to provide my opinion.

The birth certificate issue. I don't waste time worrying about this one. My take on it is that if their was any truth that he was not born here, the Republicans would have uncovered it and publicized it long ago. They have more of a motivation and much more resources than you and I. Besides, it's kind of moot now. What good would it do at this point? Give us a year of Biden/Clinton?

The death of OBL. As much as I lack respect for obama, I don't think this is something even he would fake. #1, like Clint said, you wouldn't be able to get the military behind supporting this and even if you could, you couldn't trust that no one would leak. #2, as much as this puppet is worried about his public image, he would not pretend ObL is dead when he is not for fear a video would surface making him look foolish.

That being said, is it a coincidence all this is going on now as his numbers are down and an election is around the corner? I don't think so. He is in campaign mode again. And woe to America because of this. Because he will spare no expense at your expense to get the PR machine humming. How much ObL's death cost us is unknown but surely in the billions. And now he is going to focus on immigration? How much you want to bet that it involves amnesty for 30 million new voters? Is he worried about his image more than America and its people and prosperity? Yes, I think so.

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 4:01 PM

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Well, here's my .02...

Let's as a nation stop saying OBAMA got OBL... The NATION got him. It was the work of military special forces, the intelligence community, and a lot of other little cogs in a BIG machine. Did Obama sign the orders... YES. Did obama take a chance if he wasn't there? YES, but that is it. He wasn't on the ground, he wasn't even supervising the mission, I hear he was...... Playing Golf? Lets talk about hero's here.... Lets send our admiration to the team leader that took a team of men into a heavily gaurded fortress, killed the most wanted man in history, and brought EVERY MAN HOME unharmed. Lets show respect where due. * get's off his soapbox....

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I think he just did it now because of the royal wedding. He wasn't invited and he's pissed, so he did to steal back the media. LOL!!!

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Elvis,jimmy Hoffa, and i are going golfing.

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 4:28 PM

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tools of ignorance, just let me know. I may not know much about guns, but I am an expert on golf clubs.

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 5:03 PM

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thanks LLE

i walked into a guys office and noticed a box in the corner with "Big Bertha" advertising on it.

I said"is that a Big Bertha Driver".

He looked at me smugly and said"what do you think"

to which i replied,

"i think it's a crutch for a weak follow thru"

He's never asked me to golf with him.

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you a mean man LBC

you chase little white balls?

most frustrating relaxing game on the planet from what I remember...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 12 weeks ago, 5:21 PM

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no way,well once every few years,my brothers and i,they are real good golfers(means can control anger)and i am a snowman( joke for LLE) at every hole.If i could bring a pistol and shoot those pills it would be funner(not my word"funner",my grandson used it on me:granpa it would be funner if the fish were biting")

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 5:30 PM

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never before or since has such an aggravating "game" been devised. I do better at rigged carnival games.

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step sister ran into the house one time crying about how I hit her in the back of the face with a snowball one winter....

Skeet Golf? why not?

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 12 weeks ago, 11:15 AM

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Skeet golf

I just read this ISD. It looks like we had the same idea. It is a frustrating game. I gave it years ago with many clubs sitting in course lakes. Y'all ever seen Robin Williams' take on how it was invented? Funny as hell.

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 2:56 AM

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My Big Bertha can hit it down the middle of the fairway, no matter how bad your swing is!

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 5:39 PM

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Uncle left me some golf clubs & bag and brass putter. A complete set of wilson irons, and some woods, and putters and different wedges, sand etc. Aunt says he used them from she thinks late 50's and early 60's. he used the heck out them, that is for sure, Any value there at all. I cannot play anymore sense disabled with back injury, and they are a little short for me. What would you do with them? Thanks John .

3 years 12 weeks ago, 11:21 PM

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in this age of hi-tech equipment It would be like having to defend yourself with a flintlock against a BG with a semi-auto big caliber rifle. If they happened to be in like-new condition, you might get interest from collectors, however.

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 8:32 AM

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Thanks for the reply, I do not think they are worth anything, but just finding a place to store them, out of respect for Uncle. Thanks John

3 years 12 weeks ago, 6:40 PM

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I tried to tell you in some many words the other day exactly what you are all doing, part of what you say is correct, and other parts are not, and you will know only if somehow you are reborn a hundred years from now and read it in history books or whatever they have then to teach our Great granchildren by then. Just like the JFK assination, we that were alive for that horrible act will not know shit, untill we all are dead and our grandkids read about it when they declassify the files. I am not saying that anybody is wrong or right, or anyone is smarter than anyone else. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, are we all in agreement with that. If so why was the vietnam Vets spit on and all the other inflammatory comments made and still go on today. God knows I have written enough of it to make me see and I thought you guys understand. The post I put up the other day was just what I meant it to be, exactly what you guys are embracing now. Randy- Look at Bush with his famous, when McCain decided to run photo that magically appears as a flyboy and great pilot he was. he was never in the anyforce! The shit gets deeper and deeper, but I truly believe that Bin Lade , I will not spell his gutless peice of shit Muslem name correctly, because that pisses them off and shows no respect after death. I hope all the Muslems in this country actually have the balls to say something to me, about that p-o-shit and their beliefs. I will take them down in fkg wal-mart with one finger and walk away, like they fainted. John G was and a few others got what I said in my post. Others had a different responce, and I listened and answered there questions. I am not superior than anybody else, I am not smarter than anyone else unless you measure it by an IQ test, then my score was 147. At the age of 18. I do not measure intelligance by scores and Iq tests. I do not belittle anybody because of their color or creed, only if their actions offend me and the usa. Again I would like to point out and Randy being a Navy guy and a good compassionate guy w/family. I think will be appalled by this. Top Shot program on tv sunday, gets down to nothing but Vets. 2 are marines, one younger and other about 30, 1 Navy guy, and I do not know the rest, but were vets. One marine rides the navy guy so bad and calling him out and keeps asking him and telling him he is nothing and should not be there, the other young guy built good , but joins in and says FYou to the Navy guy. But it comes down to challenge to see who goes home and even though he shot better than others, they vote him and big mouth marine to shootoff. The navy guy wins, so big mouth went home and how dare he even in a contest think he was better than Navy guy. All Vets are important Guys. The Navy Guy was a computer missile program writer and a setup man for command posts in Iraq and Afghanistan. The marine did not go anywhere. But what happened to his patriotisim, and the younger one started to change his tune when the other guy lost to sailor, but still said F-you bleeped out to the Navy guy. What the f---k. Vaq hit it on the head, be histerical for finnally getting even. Shepard Smith on fox today almost quoted me on the Government will never tell you what the real story is. Too many sp-op units out there with no ties to Usa and if fail or cause an internatinal incident, the USa will deny them. I tried to tell you guys before My father was an important man in ww2 and worked after the war on so many experimental projects, it is not funny. I personnally have experienced the we do not know who you are if you get caught or picked off over in another country. I cannot tell all and will not as per oath to my country. You can say I am nuts, not wrapped tight, a liar etc. It does not bother me. But 1 vet against another for some money, or one president over another for a fake whatever. Yea I should not take it so hard, right! Well how about this-- A merchant marine saved my life once and caught the almost all of a 1.5lb claymore, and do not write me about they are only 3lbs. You are wrong in late 60's and early seventies we made them what we wanted or had. and the filthy Gooks stole them and cut them up and pointed them back, incase nobody ever heard of that.After he shoved me and I got up he asked me if I would find his eye, because he promised he would come home in one piece. He did not promise that he would be in a body bag or not. He was a patriot and Veteran. And yes I put his eye back. I will not say anymore and if that offends anyone, I am sorry. I guess you had to be their and for almost 40 or more years people still won't admit that the men who fought in Nam were Patriots and soldiers, just like the other men. JLC

3 years 12 weeks ago, 6:55 PM

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PM to ya.

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 7:21 PM

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Thankyou my friend, I returned to! JOHN

3 years 12 weeks ago, 7:35 PM

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Back to ya.
Let this serve as a notice.
I have all confidence in John.
As both a true warrior for good and a humble servant to this great country.
My BS meter aint so much as flickered.
John, I got yer back, just don't show me yer ass.
LOL!!!

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 8:04 PM

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Right back at you my friend and compatriot, I will never turn my ass to a man of your stature. So let that be written, so let that be said! JOHN

3 years 12 weeks ago, 12:35 PM

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John Campbell wrote:
The Navy Guy was a computer missile program writer and a setup man for command posts in Iraq and Afghanistan. JLC

Jamie was a rescue swimmer

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 1:26 PM

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Not doubting what you heard on TV. I happen to know someone who can profile any serviceman. Jamie was also what I said. But that was not my point, that I was trying to make. So I will put it in a question form-- What does anything in civilian life have to do with respecting somebody, even the courageous ladies who join any branch of service, dedicated to saving our american way of life, If he was just a swimmer and resue man, what is wrong with that. If a marine needed to be rescued, that man would risk his life for him, and any other branch of serviceman and any American period. Or would you rather stop and do a bio of the marine or who was being rescued first before jumping in and doing the job, he voluntered for ? You have a lot of opinions Reaper and I respect all of them and do not want to doubt or argue any of them. But sometimes you and yes I are taking what is written wrong. Why do you not see the whole issue like it was writen for? Why do you take a piece and figure I can challenge that ? I cannot see the point you are trying to make, when you think you find a discrepensy, or do not agree with what someone says. Nobody is right all the time, but I still enjoy your remarks because it shows spunk and the diversity, that I constantly put in my posts. I will always say with pride that whatever you did in any service for our country to keep it's freedom is a good person and all are still Veterans of the USA and should not be seperated by which service they were in, or how they helped this country keep moving on and safe. Veterans do not judge each other by what they here or think someone has done. I hope this doesen't offend you, because you have as many rights as I do and anyone else. But I have to say this, untill you walk in another mans shoes, do not down him, offer him help. That is the american way! That is all I have to say on the subject. John Campbell, for those who do not get what I wanted to say!

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I agree with everything you just said. You are right on. Paper pushers and desk jockeys deserve recognition along with all of the door kickers and low drag 4000M super snipers using 5000 FPS 5.56 katana rounds out of magical bull pup rifles. All I was doing was making a correction to a statement which I believed to be false. I believe it to be false because the history channel production crew reported otherwise. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. If you're aware of some secret info that wasn't presented to the mass audience, please forgive me. After being on the boards for some time, one of my pet peeves is the spreading of false information. ebear is a queen who has most likely contracted a rare form of a rabies/HIV/progeria strain from playing butt darts with raccoons by now.
http://www.history.com/shows/top-shot/bios/jamie-franks

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Anyone told Nitris to get his dog checked?

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 3:25 PM

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I was told

by a K9 profiler that the dog has built up natural immunity

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 3:49 PM

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My mistake for not reporting the entire thing, I know you were not picking a fight, you make to many good posts. I should have spelled it out right the first time, and I did not because I thought most of you guys and Vets are hopefully thinking the same way I do. I just still hear, believe it or not, somebody put down a merchant marine as pertaining to Nam as a sellout for not joining the so-called depts of defence, meaning fighting men on the ground air and sea. It just boggles my mind after all these years that it is still said. I am glad you recognised even the pencil pushers and all the nurses and whoever. Thanks Reap John, I will include all info for now on. My appoligises please

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 4:38 PM

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Wow

The USA brought down its #1 target and we should feel some pride in a job well done through cooperation of many govt agencies.
Let's see if we can dissect this and find something to bitch about. (sarcasm font)

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ok lol

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Have I mentioned....

The golf course I'm helping to build??? It requires a gun and on some holes a fishing pole. I swear!

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How much are "green fees"? Sounds like a good time.
Ft. Hood aint all that far.

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I'd be in for that!

heh, ya'll need to make sure you got Drink girls running around on carts with coolers full of beer too!

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 6:26 PM

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6th hole.

You have to shoot/catch a fish before you move on.... 2 strokes off your score for bagging a camarant (sp?), 1 stroke for spotting the sponsered animal for the hole your on... (it is a private exotic ranch), 4 strokes off for bagging a rattler, and a hole in one for a pig.

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 6:30 PM

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Hell yeah!

I bet I aint got enough cash for 18 holes though. : (

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LOL!

Being as how were all texans, bring meat for the grill and some beer, and we will waive course fees. LOL! Hole 2 is a killer though. It's a par 2. 124 yards, 6 ft drop straight shot. only issue is that if you overhit the ball, you end up in a nasty patch of old oaks and cactus... if your short, sand. This drought is killing it though, and the wind isn't helping....

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Hole 2...

Hole 2's sponsered animal is Oprah.... An American Buffalo. LOL!

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Why thats. well thats.

just fantastic!

LOL

Now you all got to have one sponsored by Clinton like say a Screech Owl?

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Hole 7

Is Walter, the wallaroo. No screeching owls, but do have a few mini-donkeys. :)

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WOW

I just got a visual of one mounting, ahh, never mind. LOL

That would be the premier hole in my opinion!

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LOL!

That's just sick!!!

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HA!

yeah it is...

Ok, her mounting the Donkey....

with a strap on, saddle.. yeah thats the ticket, I was out with my girlfriend, ah, ah, Morgan, ah Morgan Fairchild, yeah, thats the ticket...

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 7:32 PM

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SERIOUSLY!!!!

STOP!!! that image of her and the donkey is burned into my mind! Something seen cannot be unseen. GRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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LOL

yeah, I'll have problems sleeping tonight too...

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Awesome, Ronin! I like it. I had an idea for skeet golf. You have a 12 ga w/ you and if you hook or slice and can hit your ball (or your caddy) before it hits the ground, you get a free drop on the fairway where the ball was heading.

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Saint J.M. Browning wrote:
Awesome, Ronin! I like it. I had an idea for skeet golf. You have a 12 ga w/ you and if you hook or slice and can hit your ball (or your caddy) before it hits the ground, you get a free drop on the fairway where the ball was heading.

OK, I need clarification. Is it "you or your caddy can shot the ball", or " you can shoot the ball or your caddy"? I know this is TEXAS, but even we have a FEW laws.... Besides, you know how hard it is to find a good caddy?

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Caddy clear up

lol
I didn't even catch that! Yeah, I meant if your caddy can hit the ball. Otherwise, finding caddies would get pretty difficult.

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Your serious?

....

You honestly think Bin Laden is alive?

just curious

: yes I was asking LLE this :

Doesn't mean anything, just curious

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are you asking LLE? Just wanted to make sure. BTW, is your old avatar back, or is my browser acting up again?

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did not feel right to me not being me... ? ...

eh, mental mastication...

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 1:45 PM

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Are you asking me, my man. He is stone cold dead, and I love the dipping in cesspool and tp for wrapping remark! You are the Master, where is my western holster, just kidding. John

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No I'm not...

I'm just some screw stick with an opinion and not enough sense to keep it to myself.

Then again, most of us on the site who take part in the forums probably have the same sense of humor to the greater degree....

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 4:17 PM

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Always keep the pic, it shows me a laid back guy that remembers what mistakes he made and never makes them twice, and a great friend to have with a wealth of knowledge about just about any weapon, always trying to improve his and familys life and still has some fun once in a while. That is my take JOhn and I am sure many more to be said

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I been wondering, you don't think that's me in my avatar pic, do ya?

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lol

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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yeah vaq

what the...? We all use our real pics around here!

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3 years 12 weeks ago, 4:32 PM

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must be getting to me.
Not like it's affecting reap though!

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I think Reaper od'ed on Kaboom cereal when younger.

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If I could find some, I would still eat it!

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