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4 years 41 weeks ago, 4:22 PM

Reaper308

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I'm confused

1. How was this guy shot 23 times and not only survived, but he's walking around a few days later with only a sling and some bandages?

2. An officer shot another officer in the vest? How can you miss the suspect that bad?

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Angel Alvarez, hit 23 times in Harlem shootout with cops, held without bail on weapons charges

The man who survived being shot 23 times in a hail of police bullets was held without bail Monday on weapons charges.

Cops had sought to have Angel Alvarez hit with an attempted murder rap for allegedly firing at cops during the Harlem melee; one officer was struck in his bulletproof vest and the other was grazed on the hand.

But Manhattan prosecutors said that while the evidence showed Alvarez had wrested the weapon away from another man during a fight - they couldn't prove he shot at cops.

Alvarez's lawyers insist he never fired the gun. Prosecutors said they were continuing to investigate.

Alvarez, 24, was charged with three counts of weapons possession and was held without bail because of a prior weapons conviction in which he tried to run over a cop with a car.

Alvarez miraculously survived after being shot 23 times in the wild August 8 gun battle in Harlem. He was arrested early Sunday following his release from the hospital.

Alvarez appeared in court with his right arm in a sling and bandages on his wrists and ankles.

The chaotic shooting began when Alvarez got into a fight with Luis Soto at a Harlem block party.

Cops believe the 22-year-old Soto had a .38 caliber pistol in his waistband, but when he drew it, Alvarez wrested it away.

When four officers arrived to break it up, they say Alvarez fired at them prompting them to unload 46 shots in return.

Soto, who was hit five times, was killed.

The two officers were also hit in the exchange, as well as three bystanders.

Cops at first said Soto had been killed by a shot fired by Alvarez, but ballistics tests later showed the fatal shot came from a police gun. Tests also showed the bullet that struck the officer on the vest came from a police gun.

All four cops have been placed on desk duty while the investigation continues

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/08/16/2010-08-16_angel_alv...

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4 years 41 weeks ago, 4:33 PM

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The confusion grows

Soto was hit 5 times and died, Alvarez was hit 23 times and all but walked away?
I do understand where you are hit means more than how many times, but?
And the cop hit by a fellow officer????

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4 years 41 weeks ago, 6:12 PM

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shot 5 times, and died, shot 23 times, and lived, i guess if the good Lord says its your time and he wants to take ya, hell take ya.

I'm just another damn yankee with a loaded gun looking for some fun!
4 years 41 weeks ago, 6:19 PM

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are ya? Its not often that we are on at the same time (I work the Gunslot day shift) and by the time that I get home I am tired of looking at the "squawk box", I hope all is well.

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4 years 41 weeks ago, 6:21 PM

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hamp! my main man

its good to talk to ya again, and yes youre right, me, catfish, padre, grease, and ace are the night shifters here, ive been doin great myself, workin hard and gettin taxed harder lol, how about you sir, hows thing over there.

I'm just another damn yankee with a loaded gun looking for some fun!
4 years 41 weeks ago, 12:36 AM

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Raffy???

U still on here asshole???

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4 years 41 weeks ago, 6:27 PM

HampsterW

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Doing well bud,

"long and hairy and hard to carry"....waiting for it to cool off a bit so that I can finish putting my truck together, 20 years ago I didn't mind 100 degree heat, today not so much! Collecting old milsurp rifles, it's all good!

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4 years 41 weeks ago, 6:30 PM

HampsterW

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that Greasy Paws will be back on real soon....He is a good man.

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4 years 41 weeks ago, 1:20 AM

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ACE

yep, still here, kinda...lol

I'm just another damn yankee with a loaded gun looking for some fun!
4 years 40 weeks ago, 10:32 PM

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to subdue the suspect.....sure no not sad for him,he lived.Sad thing is there are a lot of "good" cops in deployed and a lot of in exprienced "rookie's" with too little range time to smack a bull in ass at 10 yards.
The bad part will when our veterans come home to patrol the streets and have a flashback of being in combact situations where there ARE NO room for slow reactions or poor marksmanship and they will be under the microscope for every little thing they do,if it may be questionable to the "public" at large.

The hardest part about living is not dying,it's having something that lives in you,die.
4 years 40 weeks ago, 10:37 PM

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warning shots

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN

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