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2 years 43 weeks ago, 1:45 AM

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As with many Non Governmental Organizations [NGO], this one has resorted to excesses that are almost hard to take seriously. OK punishment is certainly warranted in the Penn State U. case. Those officers and other personnel who knowingly ENABLED a pedophile to operate unobstructed, and their parent employer who knew or should have known what was happening, must be punished and receive the severest of public condemnation.

BUT WHAT IN HEAVEN'S name is the NCAA thinking, when they levy a $60 million fine!?

Who should such an idiotic penalty be addressed to?? The present student body-who had nothing to do with the deplorable behavior of the executives? The tough to recruit superb teaching and research staffs? The athletes who are the starting players on each of the major sports teams? The citizens of the State of Pennsylvania?.....The answer is a resounding NO, in each case.

This is a case where another NGO, is flexing its curmudgeonly muscles--because they CAN--and by the way, incidentally improve their treasury by a hell of a lot of money. I would hope that injunctive class-action is taken against the NCAA, by the people of Pennsylvania and that the student body files a class-action action against NCAA, for damages from the degradation to the educational excellence promised by the institution.

"Let the punishment fit the crime"

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 9:42 AM

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That is only one year's revenue from the football program. Joe and company allowed these things to happen because they did not want to damage the program. These kids were allowed to be hurt for $60,000,000 a year. They got off easy. As far as the students who will be hurt by this ruling, are those the same ones who protested Joe being fired? I have no sympathy for anyone or organization that would allow or cover up this type of behavior.

2 years 43 weeks ago, 7:56 AM

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it's an industry making many people very wealthy. When that kind of money is at stake the true meaning and value of sports is lost. To hell with academics, to hell with recruiting ethics and to hell with safety and well being of children, it's all about money.
To hell with Penn State and their "sports" program. They are getting off easy. The punishment for the crime is lenient.

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 10:28 AM

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With all due respect, the case was about money and covering-their-asses, but this NCAA monetary penalty is invalidly retributive. This NCAA penalty is, in itself, a symptom of the internal corruption of an organization that pretends to be a guardian of ethical behavior. It represents cruel and unusual punishment of people who had NOTHING to do with the crime: And who will ultimately pay this penalty?--the citizen taxpayers of Pennsylvania. Did THEY conspire to enable Sandusky?--How about the student body? How about the faculty members?
" To hell with Penn State"?? It sounds to me that going a step further, you would lash out, and hang Messrs. Spanier, Curley and Schultz and perhaps even Joe Paterno if he were alive, from the highest tree on campus, and then bulldoze the entire infrastructure to the ground, before any additional due process takes place. Thank God it is virtually impossible to lynch an entire institution!

That is not what justice is all about in the USA.

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 3:03 PM

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up too !!!
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You said: "This NCAA penalty is, in itself, a symptom of the internal corruption of an organization that pretends to be a guardian of ethical behavior."
I was not aware of "internal corruption" inside the NCAA, but then, I don't follow any sports, could you tell me more please?

Sorry pardner but a state university or any school for that matter that has employees capable of allowing that to happen to children has wiped out any interest I could possibly have in seeing it's "sports programs" survive. Yes, the tax payers of Pennsylvania are over the barrel for paying the price of indiscretions of those on their payroll just like taxpayers are liable for lawsuits against any state for whatever reason.
Just how important is the athletic department to YOU?

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 4:58 PM

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Ok, so were was the due process for the kids that were raped by Jerry and then covered up by Joe? The people were glad to benefit from Joe, the school and the program. They can now be reponsible for those actions. I don't care how good you think that school is or was. If that was my kid, Jerry would be dead and I would be on trial.

2 years 43 weeks ago, 4:46 PM

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in the name of disciplinary authority, and just happens to enrich its own treasury by $60 million:
THIS penalty bears no relationship to just or equitable monetary retribution for the actual victims, potentially will degrade excellent educational processes of a top academic US institution, and unilaterally convicts and stigmatizes the people of Pennsylvania. Your simile is defective at least to the extent that this penalty was NOT decided by judicial process. The people of Pennsylvania enjoyed NO due process in this "case". But I am betting they ultimately will obtain due process, rather than be extorted by a self-appointed bunch of self-enriching demi-gods.

I have no interest whatever in the athletic department. I have great interest in the defense of the faculty, and the student body, as well as the people of Pennsylvania. Why do you ask?

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 6:53 PM

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athletic department.
I don't like to say I side with anyone but I have to concur with Coppertop's sentiments regarding the violation of a child.
The violations that took place should have and could have been nipped at the bud.
In the future institutions like Penn State, the L.A. Unified School District and all others will think long and hard before they turn a blind eye to debauchery again.
NCAA, in my opinion let them off easy.

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 9:32 PM

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competing opinions are even better. I do not want to beat a dead horse, but I think I owe it to my "home State" to help in its defense. [THAT is my vested interest]. I ask you sincerely, WHO is the "them" you are referring to, as being let off easy? And---why do you believe that a 60 million dollar NCAA penalty will cause criminals in highly placed positions to think "long and hard" before they attempt to get away with enabling others to commit heinous criminal acts against children?? Those [alleged] PSU criminal enablers will receive due process under our legal system, certainly in criminal actions and probably in civil actions also, but they will not be recipients of monetary retribution from the NCAA, and therein lies the flaw in your logic concerning the NCAA's rationale. The NCAA penalty does not so much as touch those [alleged] criminals. It lets THOSE [alleged] criminals off without ANY penalty, but it negatively affects persons who do not deserve punishment of any kind. That puts the NCAA directly on the road to serious civil litigation, by a class of those persons so-agrieved. A just settlement would be about $60 million for the class, in my opinion.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 4:24 PM

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Penn state does not have to be in the NCAA. They can make the choice to pay or play. The fine was equal to 1 years revenue from the football program and not any tax money from the people. The point that you are not getting is that this was allowed to go on for what, 12 years. Lets use that as the average revenue for each year so they got $720,000,000 from that program. Who knows how much this would have hurt the program had they addressed it properly when first reported. They covered it up to protect their cash cow. So, sense money is more important than kids, they sold those kids out for 3/4 of a Billion. They got off easy. You can't send a school to jail, but you can take it's money and thats what they care about. Also, I heard on the radio going to work that the fine was going to a fund for abused kids. Not verified, just what I heard.

2 years 42 weeks ago, 5:47 PM

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Child molesters

Nobody wins.
Sorry LLE, Daisy, Copper.
It's not fair and nothing good comes from it.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 10:50 AM

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Assuming Copper's arithmetic is good and his premise is correct, PSU's management, and any other Commonwealth of PA legal entities who must be involved, should establish [$720 million is probably a good faith start] within the province of the behavioral sciences and law departments, a new department of Child Abuse. This department should offer advanced degree curriculae which include the necessity of accomplishing USEFUL interdisciplinary research, as criteria for degree granting. In addition, PSU, as a gesture of good faith, should make their own assessments of each victim's case, and determine what remuneration is justified for each.[ Not that money is guaranteed to solve the residual problems of each, or can ever compensate for the heinous damage caused].

Sometimes, we CAN make really good lemonade from lemons, and perhaps, in this case, perhaps the people of the USA will have their attention directed away from the me-me-me value system that is ruining our society/culture, and refocus to something more like the early days of our republic, when, to survive, we HAD TO watch each other's backs.

Lastly: PSU must study, from an internal perspective, what happened to the value systems and judgment of the officers whose alleged failures, will surely be the subjects of criminal indictments, as enablers and abetters of heinous crimes against children. This study must be published for all to see, and must form part of a genuine effort to create an operational philosophy of "never again".

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 11:26 AM

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So the outlandish fines levied have gone from a bad thing to a good thing?

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 2:11 PM

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The fine would have been more than excessive [one year's football program income], until the NCAA elected to invent an endowment for child abuse victims. [I comend them, for that] So, now under those circumstances, the fine serves the purpose of providing for something PSU should have, but has not to my knowledge, yet done.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 8:14 PM

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They had 12 years to do the right thing. 12 years to figure out how this could happen. They picked football over kids. If you pull up the PSU sports website, you will see a count down clock for opening day of football. Wow, the fine sure showed them. If you try real hard, you might actually see where they stopped to do a study from an internal perspective.

The cold hard truth is that self regulation does not work. Unless the pain of letting things like this happen is bad enough, they will never change.

2 years 42 weeks ago, 2:37 PM

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I see. I am not a fan of lemonade though.
Some "good" may come of it.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 5:35 PM

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What's wrong with lemonade that has some gin and a cherry in it??

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