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4 years 28 weeks ago, 3:04 PM

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irans nuke program

anyone on the edge of their seat about these jew/america haters making the bomb?im personally freaked out at the thought of these crazies getting a bomb assembled.think we need to take a giant shiite on them really sunni to prevent the use of a nuke against america,or israel,because we all know they don't just want it to be cool like the rest of us,they'd use it at the drop of a muhamed quote.it will be "death to the infidels" and and then... BOOM!

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 5:50 PM

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Sad to say, but the real question isn't if, it's when. It's going to happen one day. Some asshole extremist is going to get a hold of what they need and...poof!... missing city, big tragedy, and nothing really to be done about it.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 6:41 PM

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MAKE IT RAIN

thats why i want to hit them NOW!not with nukes,but with something else...they already hate us,we may as well at least prolong their program,or stop telling israel not to hit them.their prime minister calls it the point of inevitability,or something to that effect.basicly he means once they have enough to make a weapon we can't stop them from using it."point of no return"kinda thing.we got the technology,and the weapons...i say make it rain!(military/labs only)that way they can't say we murdered civies having nothing to do with their program.hit their bunkers,their bases,and all offensive targets all at once.just this rednecks opinion.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 6:52 PM

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If it is not treated or removed it will kill the host!
Radiation therapy works pretty well : )

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 7:44 PM

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I will remember the punch line, and shamelessly claim that I made that up!!

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 7:47 PM

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It's all yours.

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What do you expect when you let a Religion rule a Government....?

Damn best example next to the Catholic Church that there is or how screwed life would be living while leveraged under the thumb of any Religious Zealot.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 8:05 PM

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"faith" being dominant in government is no more dangerous than one specific political "faith". Fascists, communists, progressives, socialists, democrats.
How are people of faith going to EVER rack up the body count atheists Stalin and Mao did?

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 12:08 AM

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Formal Religion and Faith are not one in the same.....

Religion is a manner in which one prescribes to practice their faith, without it, they still have their faith.

Governing a country is not the realm of Religion, at least not in the present times. The Vatican amassed a fortune and power very early, the same with Islam in many respects. Far as I can see, the Vatican was contained a very long time ago and allowed to exist penned up to an extent. Islam was left to do as it would and we deal with that today...

hence my opinion: Religion has no place in Running or Controlling a Governmental Body or acting as one in a free Society....

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there is more to my opinion, but, no reason to go into it...

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 10:49 AM

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all the other forms governing groups can take.
It's just another "flavor" of governing, unless you're atheist that is.

Are you an atheist?

Would being ruled by Islam be worse than being ruled by the Khmer Rouge?
Would being ruled by Catholics be worse than NAZIs?
Would being ruled by Protestants be worse than being ruled by Stalin's or Mao's communists?

For me this discussion has just about reached it's logical conclusion.
Gotta run some errands again today,
Have a great morning and I'll see ya later!! :<))

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 2:36 PM

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I have Faith in God, a Higher Power, not in men and their Religion on how, when, where and why I should practice my faith.

I do not go to Church anymore and haven't in many, many years. I did grow up with my family involved deeply with the Church. My mother and Grand Mother taught Sunday School, my Brother was an Alter Boy (He actually wore a red and white outfit and lit and put out candles during services and such).

I have a very good grasp on the difference between Religion and Faith, it was proven to me many times over.

As far as being Ruled by any Religion, your correct, the discussion has reached its logical conclusion for us both it seems.

Anywho...

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 7:35 PM

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what really needed to happen was International assistance when Iran had their "Arab spring"/"Persian spring" when the 'rank and file' got enough balls to stand up to the fucked up Government that is in place (the institution), which in turn did as expected and started shooting protesters who clearly are not happy with the status quo.

My point here is that I am as fearful as the next guy of Iran having nuclear capabilities, those crazy fuckers (the institution) may use it and likely would, but I believe that a good portion of the population of Iran has more pressing things to deal with, like keep on keeping on, which likely reflects the majority.

This may not win me any friends here, but eradication of the entire country and it's population at this point is playing at their level and I do believe that those in charge at least, truly do live in the 7th century.

Libya may turn into a piece of shit but at least the International community (NATO) "did something" for a fucking change and the U.S. wasn't or didn't seem to be the front runner (who really knows?), anything has got to be better than Gadaffi......Syria deserves the same from the international community but they sit idly by 'cause Russia and China are afraid their vote in favor might come back to haunt them.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 7:55 PM

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you seem to be on my page with this.im not saying wipe them out,I'm not even for bombing their people at all,the people aint the problem the govt is.I'm saying target their military installations government buildings and labs we know are working on their nuke program.hitem hard,fast simultaneously and if one will do the trick send 3.i don't want us or isral using nukes(have a personal problem with nukes chems and bios) i think we should all kill each other the old fashion way like civilized human beings.joking,but serious too.those big bad weapons shouldn't be used.we all know what happens to people and land/animals/crops and how it blows all over when you do.we did it in japan,we needed it then and we didn't know exactly the outcome,now we do,and we don't need to do it again.we do have non nuke-bio-chem weapons we can use,and i think we should!immediatly if not sooner in my opinion.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 8:19 PM

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I am taken aback, I am a student of history and I think about how America came to be and the circumstances involved, not much different really. "oppression" from King George, the 'rank and file' stood up and said "taxation without representation" we ain't having that....And so a new country was born.....Not sure (doubt) such a thing would happen in the middle east but always the optimist...lol

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 8:26 PM

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Carter was president and the barbarians overran our embassy. There should not have been a trace of their military still in one piece but Carter had different plans.

I'm for letting the countries of that region settle it out and I'm sure they can better than we can and to our satisfaction.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 8:35 PM

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And so they should DC

"the Arab league" perhaps?....Fucking..A! I am a Paul supporter that thinks that we need less involvement in this bullshit, let someone else carry the fucking torch!....

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 7:40 PM

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Valid argument Hamp

I really expect Israel to take care of it covertly (seems like somebody is trying) and for US to do damage control and clean-up. As usual.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 7:49 PM

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Yeah Vaq

I suspect you're right....What was it that someone said during Nam?.........."inside every gook is an American trying to get out"....I know that's bullshit, didn't much apply then and it doesn't apply now, BUT someone is trying to get out.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 8:00 PM

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themselves. Most of them have said they cannot live with a nuclear Iran. "Okay, what'll it take for you A-rabs to put Iranians in their place?" "We'll give you a bullet but YOU gotta shoot it."

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 9:00 PM

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"never again", they mean it, even after 60-70 years after the fact. There probably is not a living Israeli [other than children too young to understand, and perhaps Russian or other recent refugees] who in some way has not been effected by the halocaust. That teaches a very basic lesson--one that is called by some--"an existential lesson". It is very simple: when another sovereign country's government leaders proclaim they are going to wipe you off the face of the earth, you better believe them, or perhaps be prepared to suffer a second halocaust.

When Kruschev said to us, "we will bury you", there were not many US Americans who had a sense of humor about that. In his case, there was a lot of bluster in that, but we still took him seriously. It was good fodder for the Russian media to help the Russian populous to feel confident of a powerful central government. Beyond the bluster was a covert knowledge that at least in nuclear warheads/delivery vehicles, we had them beat by more than 10 to 1, and if they started something, their first strike could hurt us badly, but they would be anihilated. They were not quite insane enough to risk that, despite the Cuban Missile gambit.

But nothing like that exists about the Iran threat to Israel. The Iranian leaders are functionally out of touch with reality, meaning psychotic. They exhibit delusions of grandeur, and do not believe the world, let alone the US, would react with ultimate aggression, if they attack Israel with nuclear weapons; they believe, most of the major nations are basically anti-jewish and don't care, but if some do care, they can be successfully threatened with Iran's nuclear arsenal.

That, IMO, is where we are headed, as long as we continue to delude ourselves that sanctions will subdue the Iranian insanity. I do not believe we have more than 3 to 5 months before the Israelis will attempt to do the job. If the rest of the free world forces this decision, and the Israeli's mission is generally successful, it will not be without some collateral damage, and then we will hear weeping, wailing and gnashing of the teeth, and dire UN resolutions condemning Israel, just as was done after the Israelis took out the Iraqi reactor in 1981. Al Haig was the only cabinet member who had the vision to defend the Israelis when he said, "gentlemen, one day you will thank GOD the Israelis did this". Was he right!? Just think if Saddam had had nukes when he invaded Kuwait ten years later!!
And who, my friends, will have balls enough to issue the same defense, after the attack on the Iranian nuclear "industry". Just think about a nuclear armed Iran, run by psychotic, despotic rulers, with delusions of grandeur. I pray we are not so foolish to use appeasement, until it is too late. For then, it may mean the catastrophic anihilation of a whole nation, to "save " the world.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 9:18 PM

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 9:23 PM

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intelligence. They would NEVER knowingly permit a first strike.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 9:22 PM

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what is an

halocaust?

Is that the next installment of Bungie software's platform shooter?

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 9:32 PM

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As I recently confessed on this site, This is another example of keyboard digital malfunction. The computer knows, however, that halocaust is correctly spelled holocaust, but the little guy who does spell checking must have fallen asleep!

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 9:36 PM

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since Hamp was away...

I knew what you meant, but I was shamelessly trying for POD...

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 11:20 PM

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lol
But now you're disqualified. ;)

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 12:31 AM

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what is a POD??

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 12:34 AM

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No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 28 weeks ago, 1:33 AM

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much. Poor Clint must need self-concept support.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 7:50 AM

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Nice cheap shot

Way to print your opinion. It was just a joke no need to get personal.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 9:17 AM

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a joke--no need to get personal

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I understand it is hard to convey sarcasm over typed words. I accept your apology.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 10:01 AM

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and I accept yours.

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hug it out bitches...
Now that we have forced apologies out of each other. What is next?

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 10:15 AM

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hahahahaha

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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hahahahaha

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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I can't smile all day!!

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 10:44 AM

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LMAO, Clint !

lol

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 10:02 AM

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lol

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 28 weeks ago, 10:46 AM

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your camera is stuttering!

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 9:23 PM

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...If Israel does and it will sooner than later...Obama administers will condemn them. I have never seen such an out of touch administration as we have now....isn't it funny how they said nothing when the people of Iran rose up to fight there own government? Nothing was said! nothing from obama? why? It would have been a perfect time for a regime change..but nothing was said.

4 years 28 weeks ago, 12:43 AM

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I'm sure much of what is said and done is planned out well in advance of situation coming to light in the world today. Some of it is reactive, but I'm sure much is proactive also.

Welcome to the New World Order... ha.

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everything a government does.
Did Russia make threats or promises? Did Iran send a "make nice" message?
Did CAIR lean on obama to keep hands off?
There's an awful lot that goes on behind the scenes.

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There are so much nasty shit that is dirty and corrupt behinds the scenes i'm sure. I really wish that the country would wake up very quickly and see the bullshit going on today. Wish the truth was really told about the goings on inside Washington...I think the country would throw them all out..Dem and Republicans alike because its getting to a point where there not a bit of difference in them only the time it will take to get into a socialist finish line!...I'm sure money is at the root of it,just as well as PAC money for their reelection! Sad congress is bought and paid for already by backdoor deals! sad very sad

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Statement as of a couple three days ago.. The Iranians now have enough "fuel" for two bombs, but a "couple" months behind building them, what i find interesting is the IAEA was also behind the curve on the N Koreans... they were saying the North Koreans were also a couple months away.. Then there was that "earth quake".. well maybe thats not an earth quake, maybe it's a bomb going off on the Korean peninsula.. Months later.. yeah we goofed, they have the bomb..

Deal is the Koreans aren't going to use it.. least their not likely to use it. It's just a deterrent, the Iranians on the other hand are card carrying fanatical martyrs.. Would they use it.. ya think!!

Only a matter of time.. My guess is all the saber rattling was an attempt to get the Iranians to act first..This is the quagmire..First strike or lose two cities.. My guess is the Israeli's will strike first.. Will see.. Safe bet nobody of Iranian decent is claiming to be a nuke expert and living these days.

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Yes I can see them using it some form of Nuclear weapon but not a War head. Such as a dirty bomb given to some group attempting to destroy Israel by Proxy.

I do not believe that even the most Fanatical Radical out there would think that it was worth the resulting retaliation if they ever used such against the USA. It's why I don't think that Terrorists would pop one inside the USA even if they had one.

If they did, whatever country they came from could very well end up being black glass. Their shelf life would be severely diminished.

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how would we determine what country it came from? How would we know that it did NOT come from a bunch of stateless entity islamo-terrorists? Many believe that, thanks to a porous southern border, there are no less than six islamo-terrorist cells operating in the USA as we speak!! How do you retaliate against an islamo-terrorist cell, and put a stop to such activities, if they do not care about death??

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might consider making their respective countries responsible for their citizens actions outside their borders for starters.

Then they might reconsider backing them...

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Bush Doctrine

That's essentially what the Bush Doctrine is/was. Not only will we hold those responsible... uh responsible, but those nations that harbor/protect/fund, etc.

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What "respective countries" responsible for what citizens? For example the al Qaeda contingent who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks were citizens of Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, UAE, and Egypt. Are you saying we should have held those countries responsible, and perhaps counter-attacked those countries? If so, that implies each country could control what each of those citizens would or would not do, OR, perhaps each country was covertly supporting what they were going to do. An attack by us under those circumstances would probably be seen internationally as totally unjustifiable, unless we could prove control or support of their respective actions.
I doubt that any al Qaeda operatives are controlled by their native countries, any more than the "boss" [bin Laden] was. For all inents and purposes, they are stateless.

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they would get the option to put it straight, hunt down the radicals and remove them. Or if they can't or refuse to, then we do it with prejudice.

Syria, Libya, Iran and any number of other places that harbor, aid or abet terrorists and terrorism.

Yeah, if a pack of Saudis attack this country why in hell wouldn't we hold Saudi Arabia to account for it.

We do allot around this world and nothing near 1/3 rd of it is bad. If someone has issue then they should go through the correct manner in which to resolves those issues.

At the same time, if someone puts on of ours in the Hospital, then we put 100 of theirs in the grave. I bet sitting at a table would look allot more appealing, at least more so than using suicide bombers.

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I do not understand.

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Simply put.

I feel we should quit funding dickheads and give them the choice to deal with their Terrorism issues or we will and if we do it we will not give Politicians who support Terrorism anymore berth than we did Bin Laden.

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im kinda with what your saying here,if i understand correctly.basicly the same as the law saying to a parent "get your kids under control or we will do it for you,whether you like our methods or not!"?

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Jay spot on

and if they attempt to get in between, well, they own that...

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Daisy.. ISD, Nobile..

Daisy AM question, as i missed you , how did Mac play yesterday, how you guys feeling. wazup

Nobile, ISD, you guys have it, it's time for bed.. Nobile, glad i caught you.. whats the story on the winter storms that (we hear) have shut down most of your country..We're getting a lot of news on this blizzard, and the frozen Danube..Is it as bad as the news says 76" of snow, and villages cut off.. What are your circumstances, and how are you holding up Edgar..

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should be some interesting thinking while sleeping. LOL

night !

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Greg-- Good Night--

Hope you and Gloria are doing well and soon will be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed.

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On the thread.. I think the days of a "uniformed" attack are passed..Don't think will see the Iranian Army, or Navy launching a strike.. and to ISD's thought that we would retaliate.. Curious as to what others think on this.. With out question "IF" we knew who launched the missile, or who delivered the bomb.. Indeed POTUS would have a declaration of War that day, and (i liked this) the shelf life of the Nation would be "out of date". Problem is i don't see it developing that way, i see an attack like the Cole.. or one of the sleeper cells inside our Nation detonating dirty/emp/nuke.. How would we respond to that.. Doubt that there would be any "glassing" in that case.. the assumption here is simple.. If we knew who was responsible we would retaliate, but in today's world that could take years, it's possible we'd never know..

Consider the martyrs .. lets say it's much like the sept 11 group.. 12-14 men.. and of course they go up with the bomb at ground zero.. There would be no evidence as to who or what had caused the catastrophe..Retaliate against who.. The sad facts are this could come from so many sources. Our mind set is based on the Soviet model of a known military opponent.. those days were a lot simpler.. Fact is if theres no way of knowing for sure, our hands are tied on retaliation.

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You're right Greg,

terrorism IS the new warfare, it would be like fighting a ghost.

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Fighting the old fashioned was is too expensive, especially when it levels what used to be all their industries, military and infrastructure.
But on the other hand, Iran would become "Grand Fenwick" of "The Mouse That Roared".

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pretty much...

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I think our mind set is still based on everyone wearing uniforms.. Sure wish that was the case.. I'm afraid (and THEY know this) there's not much we could do.. Without a known adversary, and the smoking gun would sure be smoking as its going up in smoke, and disintegrated with those who pulled the figurative trigger.

No president, even a conservative.. would push the button and take out millions with out knowing for sure who's responsible.. In simple words .. were screwed, glued, and tattooed..

Here i like this "texism" better.. Sun don't shine twice on a skinny dogs ass.. Thats the one i always say sounds way cool, and have no idea what it means.. My friend Mike Huckabee (of Brownsville TX, not the Gov) usta always say this sorta thing.. i understood bout half what he was saying, but somehow understood and it sure sounded cool..

Reminds me of Vaq,. Speaking of... Lee those pics were great brother.. all of them, and the Elk/ Antelope were perfect, good job pard..

Guys will see ya all later..

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ISD, Greg

ISD, not knowing first hand about Vietnam, I still offer my unqualified agreement on the terrorism being the new Vietnam.

Greg, this new mentality is true, and it makes me wonder why there are still these worldwide organizations that enforce the "rules" on countries like the US and Israel, and complain about marines pissing on lumps of worm food or killing a "combatant" pretending to be asleep. But they aren't real high on the rules with Iran, N. Korea, etc. and the terrorists they couldn't even if they would try.

It seems we know who/where the shit heads are. But we can't do anything b/c we want to play this old game. I like Israel's usual stance. "Yeah, we bombed them. They're trying to kill us? What's the problem?"

Greg, you have a PM.

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in Vietnam. Due to politics, our military was not allowed a clear cut victory and as a result the left wingers declaired defeat.
The "war on terror" is like someone already said, chasing ghosts.
You can't attack their country until you figure out what their country is. Are they from Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia or even the United States? Even though terrorists may be from Saudi originally they are like flies going from one shit pile to the next, which is their home shit pile? LOL!.

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fight. It isn't Army against Army, but hit and run with allot of booby traps (IED's) and such. The locals supporting them when they are there and supporting us when we are there.

Way I see it, is they can keep it as it is and let those who are ready to do Terrorist Acts control the the action with a terrorist attack. Or we can take it back out of the seperate little groups and put it back upon the home countries which would force them to act on what they should have been dong for a very long time now.

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when some people from there get caught after commiting an act of terror in London against U.S. nationals and Yemen says "they were not our responsibility, they were citizens of France"?
What if Jose Padilla successfully set off a "dirty bomb" in Los Angeles? His soul mates are in Af'stan but were born in Berlin.
Things are very much different than they were at Entebbe.
"Enquiring Minds Want To Know" LOL !!

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The difference is

Germany, France and others are actively seeking out and either locking them up for good or killing them.

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im also waaay too young for nam,but it seems to me war is an old primitive affair,and pissing on a dead foe,or taking trophies(non human)is part of it, always has been and always will be,and a certain amount of leeway is good for morale.did the greeks romans egypt or even england bust out the rule book before making an invasion,or even more to the point a defensive maneuver?NO!!! however,i subscribe to the idea of respect amongst enemies.you don't have to hate your enemy,you just have to kill them.hate will eventually lead to madness and other counterproductive and disreputable ideals and actions.as far as terrorism being the "new" nam,based on the stories and opinions of people i know who were there and have first hand knowledge,terrorism is like the mindset of our opposition in nam...nam we invaded a country to stop communism FOR OUR BENIFIT (we thought) we got nothing but dead men out of the deal,and the oppression of people who didn't want to be communist...this"war on terror"is a war with a country less enemy an enemy without a nationality,or race or regional area.these factors make the issue even more convoluted than nam in my mind.

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i will say this... land wars in asia never work out for the aggressor.the aggressor seems to always make some huge mistakes.ie occupying,trying to convert"win their hearts and minds"just this young whippersnappers opinion.....

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I was in diapers in '69 (just born)....We quit! politicians are to blame..... Go figure!

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Clint without a doubt

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same way as they got out of Iraq and are getting out of Astan,they train the locals to handle the business and then leave.The US in Vietnam was winning when they left,but they had trained and then turned over the battle to the SVNA,who folded like a cheap suitcase.Thats the problem i have with war,the US is more than capable of waging war and winning but benefiting from a war has been an issue.Now Iran and nuclear war is all posturing,the Israelis have been doing a good job of assasinating their nuclear scientists lately but i take issue wth the media exposure of the SEAL operation in Somalia,the revelation from the US that Israel was using a terrorist organization to assasinate the nuc scientists,and the other scrutiny of the mlitary that seems to be coming from political sources.interesting

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when we boogied out of there we made a big point of saying we wouldn't let the North over run the SVNA.. yeah right.. Lucky hit it on the head.. dropped like a bad transmission.. Our Congress wouldn't even HEAR about going back.. The Nation was fed up.. Who knows what would have happened if we were allowed to prosecute the war.. We would have won no question about that.. but the country... probably more like S Korea that what it is today..

58,000 young life's.. Sorry guys this whole thing makes me sick.. I agree with lucky on the SEAL issue as well...somethings we shouldn't know about.. But i will say that Afghanistan is not worth one more life.. and there's no way.. as in NO F'n WAY that it's going to turn out any different than VN.. it took the Soviets forever to figure out it's unwinnable.. The Afgans don't even know who their president is..It's all tribal and stupid to think it's possible to "win".. what ever that is..

Good grief the whole area hates us.. those that know who the Pres is see him as being a US prop.. just a matter of time and not worth another American life.. see ya all tomorrow..

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thousands other guys that went and were able to come back.
Your Marine acquaintance is correct WE DID NOT LOSE.
If someone argues with you about the war try this little experiment. In the middle of the argument proceed to pound his face into what resembles strawberry preserves, when he finally begs for you to stop ask him who won the fight.

N.VN would not negotiate with Sec. Kissinger in the Paris peace talks. President Nixon ordered a brutal bombing campaign in the north. The little shit zips could not get to the table fast enough.
We withdrew our troops and turned the war over to the South. Two years later the South lost THEIR war and were invaded by the north.
Military history and pugilism class dismissed.

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Yeah, pretty much. Bomb all the shit piles unless they give up their flies. :)

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has a lot of voters in Detroit and Chicago.

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Bomb them too :-)

Oh! Did I say that out loud? My bad!

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Yeah, well, the rain falls on the just as well as the unjust. lol j/k

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Perhaps the Myan's were right.? With or without Iran and N Korea, it's going to get ugly.
I fear that the rejoicing over the election of our 1st black president will be replaced by riots over the firing of same. Nov 2nd will be ugly, win or lose.

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black, lesbian, dwarf, quadraplegic with ADD & AIDS, we don't have a single candidate that could defeat her.

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LOL

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i did 6 shots,that's all folks,lights out partys over.

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Well ,

It's been almost an hour with no activity here so I'll dash off to town, get my hair cut off, stop by the store and get a box of ammo.
When I get back it'll prolly take an hour to catch up on all the posts from while I'm gone :<))
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