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5 years 44 weeks ago, 11:37 PM

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Just looking for opinions on what is preferred out there, good ole' iron sights, some sort of battery powered optic, or both. I am thinking of putting a holographic red dot sight and flip up sights on my AR. Tell what you think.

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 12:02 AM

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iron/optic

I like them both. I tend to keep my old milsurps and battle rifles in origonal condition, and I like using iron. same with AK's. My AR is a little more tactical, so I added an acog (no batteries required). longer range rifles and hunting rifles have scopes

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 12:18 AM

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I like Iron

But as I get older I may have to go laser.

5 years 44 weeks ago, 7:26 AM

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I went to...........

a holographic red dot on my CX4, because I am developing a cataract in my shootin' eye, and that fuzzes up the sight picture on the "iron" sights.
The red dot works very well.

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 10:12 AM

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Electronic Optic

Depending on what you will use your rifle for, I recommend either ACOG sight or Aimpoint Comp series. I have an EO Tech sight and it is the fastest sight I have used for getting on target, but it has an automatic shutoff after eight hours, the battery life sucks, and it is not very rugged. I'm petty sure my wife is getting me an Aimpoint comp m2 (called the M68 in the army) and it is a much better sight if you want quality. If all you plan to do is go plinking or look cool at the range, then I definitely recommend the EO Tech

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 5:56 PM

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Iron vs Optics

The optics sight are a lot fast to put on target that iron. But, I would use both on a rifle so you have a back up.

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 12:42 AM

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Go with both my friend. Optics can break, batteries can go dead, none of wich is good when youre in the suck. Always try to have a back up. I wouldnt use both at the same time though, some may disagree with me, but that split second your eyeball will take trying to decide if it should go for the post or the dot may cost you.

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 12:18 PM

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sites

I have been 're-learning' some new/old stuff (cornflakes again for the first time)...
good old iron sites for self defense, close up and personal, rapid fire, point and shoot...quick acquisition ...

electronics, fancy optics, white dot, etc for 'careful aim' where counting points in a ring, 'dart board' accuracy is 'important'...

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 2:36 AM

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Agree with scudrunner

Red dot sights today are very rugged and extremely reliable. I like to point out that on a military style rifle, if your weapon takes a fall somewhere, you are more likely to end up with a bent front sight post than a damaged red dot sight. Nevertheless, "redundancy in operating systems" is always a good idea. There is a school of thought that your back up iron sight (BUIS) should be in the up position to allow for immediate use should your optic shit the bed. This has merits, and I tried it for a while on my last deployment, but the view through the optic is a bit cluttered. I recommend leaving the rear sight folded down and the front sight up (if you have folding front and rear sights). If your optic goes down in the midst of a shootout, treat it like a weapon malfunction and either deploy your rear sight or transition to a secondary weapon, whichever option is relevant for you.

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 6:29 PM

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Maybe im old fashon

but i prfer iron sites. Somtimes a laser woulnt hurt either.

5 years 43 weeks ago, 7:47 PM

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i have to say i like both. feel more comfortable with red dot though because once i get acclimated looking through it, i can keep both eyes open for better visibilty of surroundings and still be able to keep on target

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4 years 26 weeks ago, 10:11 AM

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I have an eotech site, I like it, but an interesting thing happened the other day. With polarized lenses, if you tilt your head 90 degrees to the site, you loose the reticle.

Anyways, as runaway comment, I like the idea of redundancy. Acog makes a scope that has iron sites on top of it. Has anyone used this scope (Trijicon ACOG Scope TA01NSN 4x32 Military)? I will of course have flip up buis, but thihs acog intrigues me. Please also give me your opinions on medium range optics (acog, aimpoint, etc).

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4 years 26 weeks ago, 3:58 PM

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I have irons on all my long guns, and several of them are irons-only. To me irons are indispensable on anything but dedicated target guns.

I've run my work AR for about 5yrs with an Aimpoint Comp model and it rocks....I shoot much better with it than my irons. Quicker, allows for focus on the threat (which in a close-in fight is where your eyes go first anyway), and actually more precise than the irons since I can use the known-measurement dot to do dual-range shots, etc (ie bullet strikes at the top of the dot at one range, and the bottom at another). I leave it on a high setting constantly, and I change out batteries every 60 days. Newer models have something like 50,000hrs battery life, and the Micro T1 is a seriously small package.

I run Ashley/XS whitestripe flip-up irons with the dot sight on a GG&G riser.

You will get what you pay for....I spent about $400 on the QD mount and the Aimpoint and it still runs 100%. During that time myself or a co-worker has seen at least half a dozen $50 or $100 scopes crap out at precisely the wrong moment. I dislike EoTechs, so I'd recommend either an Aimpoint or Trijicon sight....anything up to 4x will handle a majority of realistic hunting or 'social' tasks.

4 years 26 weeks ago, 6:32 PM

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I like aimpoint

I have two of them...the Micro T-1 and the Comp M4s...when I was in the military, I only used iron sights, so that is how I learned. However, since buying my own ARs, I have only shot with the rifles with the optics so far. The micro T-1 is small for sure but also very light. Since I have limited experience, I can only comment on the aimpoints, but the comp m4s is outstanding...clear, easy to see. I actually thought about buying the eotech, but the battery life in that was turned me away. However I have read that the newer eotechs have different batteries and a projected life close to the aimoints. I like the look of the eotech (sight picture) and it's lower profile from what I have seen. I love the ACOGs simply for the 'jesus scope' monniker they were given by the media. Last thing, Runs made a good point, (which I immediately threw out)! No really I was going to remove the front sight on my AR15 and replace it with a flip up version...but he did tell me that if you needed to use the rifle quickly and the front sight needed to be flipped up it was not an ideal situation to be in. I agree...but for what I am using the rifle for not such a big deal. If you are in a war zone I can totally see that being a greater consideration.

http://www.aimpoint.com/military/products/aimpoint_micro_t-1

http://www.aimpoint.com/military/products/aimpoint_compm4_and_compm4s

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4 years 26 weeks ago, 6:57 PM

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See I told you Runs

told me that...I guess I should have read the entire thread first!!! But Runs...see, I remembered your wisdom!

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4 years 25 weeks ago, 4:49 PM

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Aww, that's sweet

But a contractor listening to an active soldier? BLASPHEMY!!!!

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