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7 years 31 weeks ago, 10:32 AM

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THIS IS A QUESTION I HAVE BEEN PONDERING FOR SOME TIME NOW. Why no preemptive strike against Iran to this point? we all assume that Israel has nukes why do they wait for the iranians to become nuke capable?

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 10:49 AM

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I wonder?

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While Iran is supporting Hamas et al the way they are Israel would be fighting on a double flank because of the internal risks from the Strip (Gaza) and areas of Yesha - Judea and Sameria (The West Bank) and if the Lebanon start up on the Northern Border then those areas will become vunerable again.

I don't know how many of you have also picked this up as well but there are concerns in Isreal that the IAF is being pushed by the US press and other interested parties into going after Iran because the US cannot do it it'self.

Can I ask what is everyone else's opinion?

7 years 31 weeks ago, 11:12 AM

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Kerryrod it seems simple to get rid of a problem before the problem comes to get rid of them...blow them up, turn to the world and say...oopps sorry!! the UN is toothless and can do nothing. Iran continues to march forward with its nuke making plans..once they have a weapon i can only think of one target..seems suicidul to wait

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 11:21 AM

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I think if anybody is going to do it, Isreal is the only country to have the balls to do it. That's sad to say for our country, but it's true. There might be some pressure on Isreal from the US secrectly, to go do it, but I have doubts that it's coming from the press. If anything, I think the US right now is more apt to discourage Isreal from doing the right thing, since our countries leaders have become a bunch of pacifist Commie wanna-be panzies in the last few months.

7 years 31 weeks ago, 11:23 AM

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I hope what ever Israel does they keep it quiet, I got so pissed hearing the bullshit on the news about how Israel was killing innocents n all that. Iran could use a good ass kickin IMHO, I think once Israel has the gazza strip on lock down, Iran could be taken.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 12:40 PM

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Eturnit3 wrote:
I hope what ever Israel does they keep it quiet, I got so pissed hearing the bullshit on the news about how Israel was killing innocents n all that. Iran could use a good ass kickin IMHO, I think once Israel has the gazza strip on lock down, Iran could be taken.

Innocent Iranian's only because the cowards hide behind women and children

Israel needs to blow Iran completely off the map.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 11:30 AM

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does everybody fight

and have to wear the uniform in Isreal still??

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 11:38 PM

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Oh yes and everyone is proud to do it. There are some Haradim who don't like the present form of Eretz Yisrael (Land of Israel) and consider that it should be along the biblicle definition borders or it should not exist at all but that is only a small number and they are not looked on kindly even by many Orthodox Jews.

It must be remembered that as far as Amadinnerjacket is concerned as long as Eretz Israel and Am Yisrael (The People of Isreal) exists then the Hidden Imam cannot come into the world and cause Islam to rule the world.

7 years 31 weeks ago, 11:34 AM

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i agree, blow them up to pieces, and just say oops, the hell with the UN.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 1:33 PM

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1) If Obama thinks he can just throw them to the Iranian, Syrian, Hamas, Hezbollah wolves, to help force a "Two State Solution", he has been smoking bad hashish. The Israelis are not afraid of a possible multi-front war. They would rather not fight it, but they are prepared, and there is no resemblance between that candy-ass Olmert, and Netanyahu. Bibi Netanyahou is an ultra conservative warrior-type, who believes in Teddy Roosevelt's approach with a little less patience.
2) Bibi wants to go to the White House on May 18th, and go nose to nose with Obama, and tell him very politely, but firmly, "You are now officially off our ass. We will do the job, and we will once more be the world's outcast for having done it, but we will survive."
3) In the meantime, there will be a secretly cobbled together strange military alliance between Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, the latter two being LIVID and scared shitless about the Iranian "dream" of being the nuclear bully-leader of the arab/islamic world. Remember the Arab philosophy: "The enemy of my enemy, is my friend". Iranians are not arabs, but they are [mostly] Islamists. In this case, my guess is the Egyptians and the Saudis would rather back fellow semites who have the nukes, [even though they are non-believers] rather than be swallowed by the next Persian Empire..

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 1:32 PM

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If Israel goes it alone. I don't believe it will be conventional.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 1:44 PM

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seven surgical tac-nuke strikes against the 7 critical Iranian nuke installations, and several more against installations that are presently thought to be non-existent LOL.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 1:35 PM

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Maybe they are waiting for Iran to get it running good to blow it up, that way they know they've got rid of most of the components.

7 years 31 weeks ago, 1:42 PM

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ever abandon Isreal, it would be the biggest mistake we ever made.they have always had our back.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 1:50 PM

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It's difficult to watch your own ass, and watch a friend's ass [especially when he just abandoned you] when you are just about up to your own ass in alligators!!

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 1:51 PM

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Iranian mindset

When I was in college, I had a friend who was born in Iran. One day a group of us was studying with the TV on and some news flash came accross about Isreal making some raid in the Gaza strip and this girl got so upset. This was Isreals reaction to having an Isreali bus blown up killing a bunch of women and children. Anyway, I said "Hamas deserved it for blowing up a bus of women and children" and she said, "it doesn't matter if they are women and children, the children just grow up to be Isreali soldiers, so they are just targets". So, we had a large argument over that and weren't good friends after that. Now, given, I won't lump every Iranian into that catagory, but we are talking about a very well educated wealthy Iranian immigrant here and that's still the way she thought.

7 years 31 weeks ago, 1:57 PM

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at that point , you should have used you ball-point pen and punctured her Aorta and then reached down her throat and severed her Appendix poisoning her organs and called her poopyface!!!!

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 2:04 PM

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Your right ebear, but it was my favorite ball-point pin, the one with the little troll doll on top, I hated to get it all stained with Muslim blood.

7 years 31 weeks ago, 2:07 PM

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yes i see your dilema

then a scooby doo lunch box across the temple at a 45 degree angle, followed by an atomic knee drop from 20 feet above off an alunimum ladder from Wal-mart ...the one thats 29.35 after rebate.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 1:51 PM

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Pick out the actors locale of influence and offensive locations. Put pins on that map ! If I was in one of those places I'd certainly be asking for a transfer.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 2:15 PM

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in this issue. There is always going to be a dislike between the arabs and persians, and the Saudi royal family really isn't very pious anyway (come to think of it, I have had a local Iraqi Shiite Imam scold me for having Maxim magazines in my truck, then ask me for it when no one was looking, so there aren't any truly pious people, I think). However, the Saudis are having more and more issues with religious zealots within their kingdom showing resistance to their authority and siding with Israel may push many people there over the line. Egypt is a secular country and although many people would be angry over it, they won't have much of an issue siding with Israel, if only to give a pat on the back.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 2:24 PM

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right now. The fact is they don't have the bomb and their sabre rattling is more theatre than reality. Iran is in bad shape on a number of levels. Things have not gone well for them. They once saw themselves as spearheading the islamic revolution, but then along came Al Qaeda and stole their thunder. Iran wanted to be the big player in the Middle east and have Iraq as a client state. the US put a stop to that in a rather bold fashion. They are widely seen as opportunists in the Middle East who will take any side just when it is expedient for them to do so. Economically they are in a rut without the infrastructure to even sell their own oil, much of which sits in rented ships in port. The Iranians aren't really part of the Arabic World. Their name means 'Aryan' with all that implies. They speak Farsi, not Arabic. Although they are Muslim, they are still outsiders in many ways.

Of course, the US supported Iran in a big way under the Shah, with bucks and weapons. I worked for NAVSEA at the time and remeber one of the big projects was the Iranian Naval Upgrade Program in DC. The revolution changed all that (Thanks, Carter, for being a dumb ass) so the US looked for another lient state. They picked Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, and then rolled over Saddam. The key point is that Iram no longer enjoys American money and weapons and Russia is not in a position to help much. besides, the Iranians hate the Russians, too.

If Israel did attack Iran, especially with nukes, the fact is that it would be survivable. It's almost as if Iran is trying to provoke an attack, which could only be by air because Iran is to rugged a place for a ground attack. Then where would they be? As martyrs to Islam with the entire world condemning Israel. That's a terrible position for Israel to be in and if the rest of the Muslim world attacked Israel, they may not survive. So unless Iran REALLY DOES have a DELIVERABLE nuclear warhead and is seen as really ready to use it, Israel is likely to avoid any attack. My guess is that the Istraeli/Arabic stand off will continue into the foreseeable future just as it has for the last 60 years (or 2000, if you want to go that route).

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 2:31 PM

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I hope so. But I am just not optimistic about the situation. It's kinda like the block bully. If he keeps running his mouth, someone leaps out of the bushes with a big stick and beats the shit out of him.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 2:31 PM

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I agree that the standoff will continue. The collective memory for grudges in that part of the world is ridiculous. On my first tour to Iraq, the Spanish soldiers we were working with would be attacked constantly, while we were left alone. When I asked one of my translators about it, he started talking about some crap 500 years ago where the arabs beat the Spanish and they should have stayed beaten. I was ridiculous. These people, arab and persian, are nuts. They like remembering how they were the most advanced civilization on earth back in the medieval days, but get pissed when I bring up the fact that their cultural development pretty much stopped right there while the rest of the world flew by them. They're funny little monkeys

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 10:35 AM

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which may be part of the issue. The conservative President is under severe fire from more moderate levels. He represents a conservative resurgence that took over after the moderates gained power over the original revolutionary set. But his reign has placed Iran in a weak position both militarily and economically. If the moderates win out in the Presidential election, which is a month away, we may see a change in Iran's position and rhetoric. Most intelligence believes the present President's threats against Israel are to position himself in Iran saying, 'See, I'm on the correct side. I'm anti-Israel." If Israel attacked now it would have the effect of uniting the factions in Iran, not to mention the Arabic states. Israel doesn't want that to happen and so has a big incentive to not attack now.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 9:52 PM

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the recent pronouncements by Peres and Netanyahu are just bluster or attempts at who shot John versus Ahmedinejad. Also, you seem to be forgetting the power behind big mouth Mahmoud. Ayatollah Khamenei is the theocratic dictator of "policy". What he says, goes for the faithful[ or else]. That is where "they should be wiped off the face of the earth" came from. If it comes down to an existential choice, it is a no-brainer for the Israelis.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 10:06 PM

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 11:31 PM

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It may be safer if..

Rather than a nuke, what about a well discharged EMP, then there is no risk of Fall Out to any country. Clean and directed.

7 years 31 weeks ago, 8:56 AM

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Ammerdinnerjacket wont be happy until Isreal is destroyed because he thinks it will bring the return of the 4th (last) Imam which will mean that Islam will rule the world.

7 years 31 weeks ago, 9:34 AM

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WHAT WAS THEIR NAME..MOSSAD..WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM..I ALWAYS FELT THAT THEY WHERE THE BAD-ASS FUCKERS, EVEN WORST THAN THE RUSSIANS..MY POINT.!! WHY IS THAT LITTLE BASTARD IN IRAN STILL ALIVE???

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 9:40 AM

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like liberals hide behind their butch women's skirts. He is very well protected and like most leaders of the world, they only direct wars not fight in them.

7 years 31 weeks ago, 9:43 AM

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And they haven't changed much at all but PR and Gaza means that the press and the international community aren't their friends, so they don't talk to people that aren't their friends

7 years 31 weeks ago, 10:37 AM

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I and my family have spent many years in Israel, on again off again. My second son, Ryu kun was born in Tel Avive.
Israel does indeed have the bomb. In fact they have some of the most sophisticated nuclear weaponry in the world. Both the US and France believe that the Nuclear Enhanced Radiation (that's the so-called Neutron Bomb) is vastly more advanced than ours or the French versions of these weapons.
The Mossad is a huge, world wide organization that is by any measure or yardstick, the most capable and advanced, and from their track record, simply the best Intelligence/Counter-Intelligence organization in the world. These guys make the CIA and the Brit's MI 6 look like a bunch of amateurs.
Buried in the sands, in a series of concentric rings around Tel Aviv are 300 long range and intermediate range nuclear missiles. The boosted Jerico III missile could hit any target anywhere in Russia, Europe, China, or for that matter the US. They have in fact 3 different types of missiles in these hidden silos. There is the Jerico II, the Jerico III and the Dolphin III series of missiles. Those Dolphins have a triple MIRVed warhead.
However, for them to go nuclear, even on the Iranians is something they would never do unless under actual, massive attack.
They don't need to go nuclear to destroy the war-fighting capabilities of Iran. Their conventional forces are way beyond adequate to do this job. Those who have mentioned Netanyehu are correct in that he is a tough conservative. He's sort of like a Texas style, Israeli, good ol boy. Even he would not nuke Tehran. But again, he doesn't need too. Israel has the 5th largest and most powerful air force in the world.
Besides the missiles, they also have submarine launched missiles and glide bombs and gravity bombs and short range attack missile nuclear weapons all of which can be fired from warplanes. Their nuclear arsenal is bigger than those of both the UK and France.
They just wouldn't do it. The rage of the world would come down on them so hard it would make Israel's position in the world almost impossible. The US will continue to back them no matter who is in power in the White House. It's just in our best interests to do so.
I worked with the IAWC (Israeli Air Wing Command)and their elite teams of Commandos, for many many years of my adult life, before I retired. I'm pretty sure I know these people quite well.
Kerryod, btw, that would be Hassadim. They are an ultra conservative branch of Judaism. They are also devout pacifists and are the only group of Israeli citizens who are exempt from military service. Even so, many Hassadim do join the IDF. Younger Hassidic Jews are much more "liberal" and that means something to the Israelis that's considerably different than what it means here, than their forebears.
They can handle Iran without having to go nuclear, however they will NEVER allow Iran to actually possess a nuclear weapon. They will act in secret and any Iranian nuclear weapons would be destroyed long before they could be deployed. The pressure is actually on the US. As is their common habit about dealing with these kinds of things. The Israeli Ambassador simply pays a courtesy call to the White House and basically says: either you do it or we will. They would get a great deal more nasty about it than we would, so most often we go and do these things for them. Gulf 1 and Gulf 2 are just examples of this Israeli policy.
And to give you an idea of Israeli conventional war-fighting capabilities. We have, I believe, 4 fully armored divisions. The Israelis have 6. The Merkava main battle tank has easily the same capabilities as the Abrams tank. And yes, every citizen of Israel from age 18 until death, is a soldier. Even handicapped people are not exempt if they are functional at all. For example my son Ryo would not be exempt from military duty in Israel. Of course the more handicapped ones would serve in staff positions and not on the front lines. Every man and woman in Israel is by Israeli law a soldier.
They could destroy Hamas and Hezbollah quite easily if they ever really lost their temper. It would however involve huge amounts of collateral damage and this is something the Israelis want to avoid at almost any cost. It's against their faith and also they have been victims of the Shoa, the Holocaust and it makes them sick to their stomachs to think they would commit genocide. They have no intention of becoming anything like the Nazis.
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7 years 31 weeks ago, 10:59 AM

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HELPS UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WHAT WE READ IN OUR PRESS BLINDS US TO SOME FACTS ABOUT THE WORLD SITUATION...I MYSELF FEEL MY VIEW OF COUNTRIES IS VERY NARROW AND I DO TRY TO GATHER INFORMATION WHERE I CAN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR POSTED OPINIONS AND OBSERVATIONS

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 11:14 AM

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I'm not claiming personal insight into the matter, and I'm not just voicing my own opinion. Those who are interested in intelligence issues would do well to visit http://www.stratfor.com and consider subscribing. It's $349 per year, though you can sometimes get deals or extended memberships. They normally do not allow re-posting of their stuff. When they do, I re-post with attribution. I've been a subscriber for a couple of years now and I can tell you that they have a stellar reputation for unbiased accuracy. It's a whole lot better than listening to some guy pontificate with no source material whatsoever. I've only caught them in one error. They claimed the USS Lincoln was ported at PSNS when it's homeport is actually Everett. They readily agreed and corrected the caption I had pointed to.

Another source, which is more biased and not as accurate, is Debka File at http://debka.com/. This will provide you with an Israeli slant for $185 per year. Some of their stuff is free, however. I have them on an RSS feed. I did catch them in a big error a few months ago when they claimed the US and other countries had fielded a huge fleet of destroyers in the Indian Ocean. This was picked up by several sources on the Internet and became one of those Big Rumors. I wrote to Stratfor and asked them for an early Naval Update Map because the previous had not shown such a huge movement of ships. They wrote back to me and told me that's why they never use Debka as source material, because they can be unreliable as far as facts are concerned. But Debka certainly shows Israeli sentiment and thinking, and that is why they are valuable. But the point is you can't believe everything you read and if you pick up some point, it's in your best interests to at least try to verify what is being said.

Since I am somewhat Navy oriented, I also follow a couple of good Naval blogs at http://informationdissemination.blogspot.com/ and http://blog.usni.org/. The first is a good source of Order of Battle information on a ship by ship basis. I also have a subscription to the Navy Times: http://www.navytimes.com/, which is a good cross-check to Stratfor because they also have a deployment map every week. Of course, I live in 'Navy country' in Kitsap County where the population tends to pay attention to naval matters anyway. We all know where 'our' ships are because there are so many friends and family on board. It's a big celebration when one leaves or returns.

I enjoy everyone's opinions, some of which I consider very insightful. The ones I actually pay attention to, however, are those who cite their sources, like I do, and ones based on extensive personal experience, like koji's. In the final analyses, however, all we have to do is wait and see to see who's right.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 7:10 PM

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My observations usually sound [mostly] like opinion, however, there is more in the content than solely opinion. Source citation is not possible. I am not pining away to ultimately see if I am right. In fact, I hope I am wrong!!

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 12:23 PM

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are a very intelligent and professional organization.I don't think they can be corrupted like the CIA.i ALSO FEEL THEY CAN TAKE THAT DUDE FROM Iran anytime they want. But they are very mindfull of the attention it would bring to thier inner workings.when they feel the time is right that Bastard is as good as dead. He knows it too.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 12:23 PM

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It is amazing

How much open source information is out there. Makes you wonder if DoD has ever heard the term OPSEC ?

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