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5 years 48 weeks ago, 7:59 PM

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You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door. Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers. At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way. With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it. In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside. As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few That are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless. Yours was never registered. Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm. When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing. "Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times. But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die." The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters. As the days wear on, the story takes wings. The national media picks it up, then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects. After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns.

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed Man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearm still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took Away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying, "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local
authorities. Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply. Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens

How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kinda like cars.

Sound familiar?

WAKE UP AMERICA , THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION

"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."

--Samuel Adams

Sent to me by my nephew...

5 years 48 weeks ago, 8:04 PM

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damn sam. you sure know how to kill a good buzz. glad we don't have to register in AZ. Lets hope it doesn't go to this extreme!

oh yeah, stick to PKATO's three line rule!!!

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
5 years 47 weeks ago, 9:09 PM

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All the progress that we have made in registering guns is decent, keeping guns out of criminal hands. Nonetheless, law abiding Americans who wish to have personal security get harassed when trying to buy a .22! Either way, there's a reason this country hasn't been directly attacked (not counting chicken shit terrorists) in 60+ years. It is because of our military, number one; our resolve, number two; and number three, because of the fact that there are so many Americans with guns. Think about any time you go to Cabela's, Bass Pro, or Scheel's: there are always people at the gun counter looking at and buying guns, ALWAYS.

The next step in Gun Control is going to be higher taxes. They won't take our guns, they (Liberals) will tax our ass so hard we won't be able to eat if we buy a box of cheap ammo.

When the government fears the people, there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny. -Thomas Jefferson
5 years 47 weeks ago, 9:11 PM

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My grandmother was pro-gun, not because she shot or owned a gun, but becuase she was from Auschwitz Poland. The Germans not only hated the Jews but the christians who refused to accept a evil stance against a false prophet.
My gram was singled out becuase she had dark hair (jet black) and brown eyes. She was Catholic but appeared Jewish. Strange twist of fate in a city where everyone was blond haired and blue eyed. My kids are Blond Hair, Blue eyed..
My point is that they did not maintain their ability to defend themselves. It was easy for a armed group to take over a people who were peaceful but Naive.
We need to study history. The founding fathers prepared us with the second Amendment. History has repeated itself over and over again. Examples include linchings in America not too long ago, Somalia, Yugaslavia, Iraq, Russia, China, Mexico (1 million killed a turn of century).....it goes on and on.
Lets not allow this to ever happen again.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do
5 years 47 weeks ago, 9:16 PM

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Bingo

You hit it right on the head DEMO.

When the government fears the people, there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny. -Thomas Jefferson
5 years 47 weeks ago, 12:23 AM

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Poland World War 2

I can not remember the name of the town in Poland. But the Jews only had like 20 to 25 firearms and they hold off the Germany Army for 2 months with these firearms. Just show you that if you have a firearm and the will to fight you can do great things with it.

"WAR IS A RACKET, I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street, and for the Bankers." Major-General Smedley Darlington Butler USMC Ret. 2 time Medal of Honor winner.
5 years 47 weeks ago, 1:35 AM

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Bingo....again

A chip and a chair, a bullet and a rifle...that's all you need. Good point!

When the government fears the people, there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny. -Thomas Jefferson
5 years 47 weeks ago, 9:10 AM

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samD

How do you know what I am thinking? You are a member of the thought police aren't you?

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5 years 47 weeks ago, 9:18 AM

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I can't remember my own thoughts for very long anymore. What is this in ref: too?

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5 years 47 weeks ago, 12:36 PM

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the title

I was trying to clever, but alas my humor is orbitting jupiter

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5 years 47 weeks ago, 12:38 PM

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Knocked me fukkin hat off with that one... LOL

5 years 47 weeks ago, 4:17 PM

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Schyuler Might get mad for your Grammar'Due to him being a librarian...You Spelled Fuckin' Wrong. Dont take my word for it, look for your self LOL

5 years 47 weeks ago, 4:59 PM

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Sorry Snake

That is what is called literary license. It is OK because I know how it is spelled and chose to spell it differently for literary value.
And Young pup, I don't think that you are the right person to correct my spelling, punctuation or grammatical usage. Now go to your room and no Graham Crackers for you tonite.

5 years 47 weeks ago, 5:10 PM

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you know its bad when you've got snake pointing out the spelling errors!

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
5 years 47 weeks ago, 5:12 PM

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My God

I have worked with this kid and now he turns and bites the hand that guides him...LOL
SHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTT!

5 years 47 weeks ago, 4:48 PM

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and I quote

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Let's not forget that this amendment was also put in to insure that the government itself not become tryannical towards it's citizens. Let not the tyranny of men be the downfall of all good that men have done to insure a great and free world. I quote a movie, "“Of course we must fear evil men, but there is another evil that we must fear more… and that is the indifference of good men.” As with every election, growing in popular thought, we are reminded that we need to vote. I say it is up to us the gun owners to remind other gun owners and non gun owners that this amendment was set up for all of us. I am not saying do anything rash. In fact all I am saying is to take advantage of yet another amendement, and I quote, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
I know that everyday I use my voice. I will not stop. Whether on this website or out in the world.

5 years 47 weeks ago, 7:06 PM

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I come back and SamD still is ranting and raving! Reality sucks though doesn't it SamD...sorry for not calling also, soooo busy and some problems getting my weapon. Didn't get it back until the night before I left...

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They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone
under independence. -- George Washington
5 years 47 weeks ago, 7:26 PM

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It's OK Jack

I am getting used to the rejection. sniff sniff

5 years 47 weeks ago, 7:12 PM

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I no rant and rave. friggin election is over. 4 more years before I start again. Play nice Jack... LOL
Just delivering the news...

5 years 47 weeks ago, 7:15 PM

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Wow, correcting spelling!!! We all agree with the sentiments above, however I am still hopeful that Obama will not push the Second Amendment with so many other things that need his focus...good for two years minimum

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5 years 47 weeks ago, 7:17 PM

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And he now has spell check, I think..
See my forum post on HR 6257...

5 years 47 weeks ago, 7:18 PM

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Were you able to get a house? Are you back in Kuwait? Where are you? LOL
We missed you and your infinite wisdom...

5 years 47 weeks ago, 7:23 PM

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Yes

Back in Kuwait, I didn't find a house...well, that's not true, I found several, but not one I was ready to purchase. I will keep looking and take a bit longer...next time I need to stay longer.

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Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself.
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