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President "only" makes 400k a year in office, and the highest paid congressmen make 225k a year in office.

President made 200k untill Clinton got
congress it raise it before he left office

and when bill dies hillery will get hers and his till she dies thats rufflly 900.000 a year plus any med bills the tax payers are paying where else can you work for lets say 8 years and retire with all this

I admit these politicians are overpaid, but that figure seems pretty high.

The Presidential pension right now is 193,400/year. They also get a maximum of 150,000/year allowance for staff. This allowance begins six months after leaving office and lasts for the first 30 months. After that, it's a max of 96,000/year for staff. Presidents who entered office before January 1997 (Carter, Bush Sr, and Clinton) get secret service protection for life. Those who entered office after Jan '97 get secret service protection for ten years.

the president makes 400,000 a year with 50,000 personal spending
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/presidentialpay.htm

I heard on the news we pay for that. over mil
per year. I'll research it

puncuation is a wonderful tool. I am an simple man, I get lost reading some of ohioshooters posts.

just saying

clint "high brow" lesbo

i ll try to type in big lettlers and space them out i didnt think this was an english class lol

to polish up on our English skills Ohio ( I am not the English police), at least members don't request that you learn Spanish............LOL,LOL JK

now that i can do with windows it will type any ligo i want but the way i spell some days it would say WTF ya tryin to spell lol

Shuyler. Told. You. You. Got. Served. Biotch. Whatever. That. Means. How. Clever. Am. I?

i am so edjucated now i am glad that sum1 nose enuf 2 mak shur eye am no hipokrit that wood b very bad how wood i look 2 tha communitee if eye made mistakes all tha time no1 wood reed anymor of my posts or nything thanks to runaway 4 pointin out my edjucation and stuff;

clit of a lesbo

I didn't point it out. Schuyler did. All I did was make a failed attempt to instigate an online lovers' quarrel between the two of you. Instigating is so much easier in person. Damn it, how'd this come back on me? That's it, I'm gonna flog myself with a tire tool to clear my head.

ADD

I think most of us have ADD to our collection of weapons...

I am eyeing up wheel guns tonight, TBH has a hard time with the slide of my semi auto's.

Hamp, thats a good idea.. Gloria had a hard time with the slides as well.. and after three straight days of shooting both about 9 years ago told me she would prefer to have a revolver.. At this point she has thee.. all snub nosed.. or "stubbies" as she likes to call them..

Matter of fact this is a point of irritation to me.. She has two Colts (det spl, the old flat latch 32 ive posted a pic of) and a T85.. Why is it that i only have one Colt, and the wife has two.. I'm going in the other room and check my "man card".. back in one..

Quick cause "jarhead" is on, and ive got to get back to it..

Please don't buy that weapon.. The 327 is a great piece.. For someone with wrists like walnut.. Take a look at my pics brother.. Im a fair size old geezer.. and my air weight (thats heavier) is everything i can handle with +P in it.. I can't imagine going lighter and firing 357's out of that 327 smith. Matter of fact after quite a bit of drill.. and i did PPC and bowling pins..ive found the best CC load for the airweight is 130 gr FMJ.. When im firing +P it just doest come back on target as fast, and by the end of 5 rounds even my tactical reloads with the speed loaders suffer.. Bottom line I do NOT carry +P in the air weight, and thinking this would not be a good experiance.

Glorias favorite carry is the little .32 Colt, but obviously its ineffective.. She (and this should apply to most women) is most comfortable with the weight of a steel frame snub.. both the det spl, and the T85 carry enough weight that thier fun for us, and comfortable for a women in 38, and heavy enough to be able to reacquire a sight pic pretty quick if you want to go +P... The other thing thats great is the T85 is double cheap.. or just get a 2" 10 k frame..

whats yer thoughts on the .32 S&W for a home def load in an Iver Johnson for a 4'-11'' 90 pound gal with proper defense training in the home?

whats yer thoughts on the .32 S&W for a home def load in an Iver Johnson for a 4'-11'' 90 pound gal with proper defense training in the home?

since she is so small that she is goin to be on the defenseive side of the situation.kneeled down on the floor on the side of the bed oposite of the bedroom door with both arms out at full lock supported by the bed.pointed at the door.body is protected by the bed and arms are supported by the bed.

Funny you mention this.. The .32 S&W is much..as in MUCH better than the .32 Colt.. When Colt gave up trying to compete with smiths round they called thiers the 32 new police.. I really wish ours were in the Smith chambering, but that came later.. The 32 S&W is really quite a round...and for some reason is inherently a very accurate round as well..

Im thinking you could take me to school on this, and have read the same stuff i have about some rounds that are inherently accurate.. the 44 spl for example.. I've always heard the same about the 32 Smith.. and i know that if you look at target guns they will often be chambered in 32 S&W.. and of course that I.J. is a steel frame.. it would be a perfect round, and probably the starting point for an effective defensive round.. I would sure feel a lot better about it than a 25 or 32acp, or my babys 32 colt that i can almost step out of the way of... Be back later ive got to check out jarhead... is this for the wife, or the oldest girl brother.

The point is to have a plan.. ours is a little diffrent, Gloria heads to the bathroom in ours, and there she has a locked door, cell phone in the charger, and two loaded weapons.. She also has one in the night stand.. I like the bed as cover but our bed is (and has to stay) in line with the door and gives no cover..

Don't want to get preachy, but think were all on the same page here, no 911 is gona save our wifes are kids.. Its our job..

No wife,, but mine know that they are not to be fearful. I have taught mine the ole adage that I'd rather the newspapers not make irate columns about how agasp that we all should be because two more children were taken and slain AS OPPOSED to mine being vilified because they are alive and at a police station explaining why the dirty dead son of a bitch has three extra holes in him aye. My kids know Self defense.

my sis just moved in with her fiance who owns a Iver Johnson hammerless .32 S&W revolver and other "toys".he asked me whch one of his weapons would be the best Nightstand gun for my sister.She is a little thing at 4 foot 11 inches and all of 90 pounds drippin' wet.She is a tough lil' bitch but due to her size I advised her thru training to seek the defensive side of things.
They have a king size bed in a pretty small bedroom of a medium size mobile home that if anyone came in then she would have no where to go.He works nights sometimes and so she is there by herself sometimes with only a small window to crawl out of.I have trained her to get down on the far side of the bed oposite oif the door.Gun in both hands stretched out using the bed as a support.it aint perfect but with this sight picture she has the better hand in the sitution,even with a smaller caliber weapon.with her size,caliber and recoil is a big issue.

Just a suggestion, since I'm no Clint Smith or Massad Ayoob. If your sister could have a relatively full size .38 Special revolver, like a Smith K-frame, that would give enough weight so as to minimize the bounce from firing even a .38 Special +P, especially if she's going to be resting her hands and arms on the bed. From a J-frame, especially the steel framed ones like a Model 36 or 49, but even from the aluminum framed ones like the Model 37 or 38, the Winchester "Chiefs Special" load in std. pressure .38 Special would be quite reasonable to handle. Federal makes an equivalent round. They're 110 gr JHP. Even that round, mild as it is, would be much more effective than any load in a .32 S&W. Personally, I'd rather have a .22 WMR than a .32 S&W, by far, and maybe even a ,22 LR, with hyper velocity ammo. A .22 LR is super easy to control, and it's easy to hit with. Reality check: if the Iver Johnson revolver in .32 S&W is all they have, or can afford, it's much better than nothing.

Practice practice practice, range time practice practice practice. I taught my son to clear a weapon, load the clips, install one and pull the slide back by memory. Now I feel safe when he is by himself or when he is at home and protecting my family when I can't be there.

We've laughed about this before.. both of us have had an awful lot of them, and both wish we still owned most weve traded away, i can honestly say Bob and i almost always agree on the subject..and when it comes to the subject knows his stuff, that being said ive got to disagree on this issue..I have had two in 32 S&W, and currently own two in .32 Colt.. I agree that the Colt .32 is anemic.. even in long (they come L or S) The 32 S&W is a different animal.. ive blasted away at all the usual things we wind up shooting with all the hot 22's and 22mags that i had in my Ruger.(like the 22 mag by the way) and im telling you that the S&W 32 is a far more powerful round than the 22 mag. you can get this in short or long, and Bob don't know if your experiences were in the short or maybe 32 colt.. But the 32 S&W is a fast 85-95 grn bullet.. that besides being accurate is an effective (altho first on the scale) self defence round.. At one time i made a custom H&R built around a 32 S&W, fired hundreds of rounds out of that little revolver, and assure you its much more powerful than (any) 22, 25 or 32 acp.

What bullet are you using in the .32 S&W? Is it hollow point? It sounds like you have much more experience with the cartridge than I do. I will say that it's a very accurate round. Not that it's "inherently accurate", which is a bullshit term coined by older gunwriters in gun magazines, but I've found it to be accurate in revolvers in which I've fired it (all Smith & Wessons). I've never fired a .32 Colt. One of the reasons that I like the .22 WMR for defense is that I've seen the effect on animals I've killed with it. I shot a stray dog with a Ruger Single Six in .22 WMR and it just shredded the animal's heart. The dog was about 35 pounds. I dissected the dog because it just dropped like a rock when it was hit, and I wanted to see what had happened inside it. I also knew some guys in Missouri who used to poach deer with .22 WMR, but using rifles. They used them because they didn't make much noise, of course, not because of the knockdown power!

Loved that two cylinder thing.. Bob i do have had a lot of experiance with the 32 S&W.. much more than with the Colt, as for one thing the Colt is a lot harder to get ammo for, and were it not for the the age and fact thier flat latches i wouldnt have them.. The one gloria likes and last i posted is pre positive..have to carry an empty chamber under the hammer.. Anyway BIG diffrence between the Smith round and the Colt.. Ive also taken game with both. i had them loaded in Tucson by an old boy who was loading them for competition.. You know that a lot of target pieces are made in this chambering.. The bullet wt. will go from 85 to 95.. think this is one of those interchagables like .355 bullets.. but NO body makes over the counter hollow points.. My experiance is basic varmint (under powered for coyote, but so's the WMR) The 32 Smith and Wesson in over the counter form..is a pretty fast stepper.. and of all the 22's (including WMR) 25, and 32 acp.. the 32 Smith is a noticeably harder faster heavier harder hitter..

Now guy... you threw me with the inherent thing not being a fact.. Bob i thought it was.. I have always heard that the 44 for example was an inherently accurate round as well as the 32.. educate me, as ive read this so many times, and do know that the 32 is chambered in target form..

The only way one can say that any given round is "inherently accurate" is to fire one in a test barrel (like a pressure barrel) in a rigid fixture. Something like a Ransom Rest isn't good enough. The test barrels usually used are at least 6" long, and very thick walled. They're not intended to ever be attached to a firearm, but are for testing ammunition only. Quite a bit of testing has been done in this way (most often, of course, by ammunition manufacturers), and no particular cartridge has ever been shown to be far superior to most others. However, that said, there are some handgun cartridges that show generally excellent accuracy possibilities, like the .32 S&W Long, the .38 Special, the .44 Special. The old .44 Russian might also be included. Many people can give instances of outstanding accuracy with the .357 and .44 Magnums, and when the evidence is the groups fired, it can't be discounted. However, I would submit that such outstanding accuracy has more to do with the excellence in manufacture of the particular handguns used than with the cartridge itself.

I'm tired, it's late, and I have stuff to do tomorrow morning (if I get up early enough). Talk to you tomorrow.

My guess is that this has been (the inherent accuracy thing) debunked for some time and i just missed it.. We grew up with the Elmer Keiths in the world, and the idea that the rounds weve talked about were (for what ever reason) inherently accurate.. i remember hearing all the bearing surface, mass size to weight issues, and just general bs huh.. interesting.. I don't know how many hundreds of times ive had that reaffirmed in a test, some 44 for example.. "and of course we all know the 44 is one of the most inherently accurate rounds".. just like me to miss the update.. I know this much.. all weapons shoot to a greater degree of accuracy than those firing them.. unless were bolting in a ransom rest.. and in the case of an individual shooting off hand no question about it.. the limiting factor is holding the weapon not the other way around..

Time for bed, it's still cold in the AZ mountains, and those covers are sounding good.