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2 years 27 weeks ago, 10:43 PM

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Jon Gruber, PhD in Economics, from Harvard, and the putative architect of Obamacare, recently performed a RARE PUBLIC deed, on behalf of his work for the Obama administration..............Professor Gruber actually told the TRUTH, about his work!!
In doing so, a number of videotaped speeches and verbal presentations show him delivering these lectures, as would a strutting egoist, supremely confident and proud of HIS invaluable contributions to the implementation of "The Affordable Care Act" [ACA], aka Obamacare. BUT-----in doing so, he managed to divulge, in his zeal, the design of the "System" would require absolute secrecy, because IF the people of the USA [and the Congress who never read the bill] got wind of what REALLY was going to be implemented, the Congress would NEVER pass it.
I invented a good shorthand description for it--I call it "THE ROBIN HOOD PRINCIPLE" [Steal from the wealthy and REDISTRIBUTE to the poor].

So, the TRUTH MUST be avoided at all costs, and a "con" story would have to be constructed and sold by the leadership..........You remember--"if you like your present plan, you can keep it" and all of the accompanying BS like lower premiums, lower deductibles, keep your present Doctors, etc, etc, etc'-----and who were the chief conspirators??---The POTUS and Nancy Pelosi["we have to pass the bill, SO WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT IS IN IT".}

And per Professor Gruber, the STUPIDITY of the people of the USA will take care of the rest of the needed "cover". By his remarks, Gruber indicts himself as stupid--or perhaps at a minimum--ignorant. It is hard to believe that a PhD from Harvard in any major area of people-driven study like ECONOMICS, cannot remember the normal distribution of intelligence in the USA.
The fact is, based on the use of highly valid and reliable IQ tests, that the middle 68% of the population have IQs of from ~85 to ~125 around an average of 100. This is hardly worthy of the "STUPID" label.

I CAN HARDLY WAIT FOR THE NEW CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES TO TAKE A CHUNK OUT OF GRUBER'S BEHIND. AFTER THREE OR FOUR SESSIONS, HE IS GOING TO BE THE "MAN WITH NO ASS", AS WILL BE THE POTUS AND HIS FELLOW PERJURING CON MEN..

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 11:40 PM

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sign." "Read the fine print." "Have your lawyer look at it."
Pelosi got the ACA through the House without anyone trying to throw chocks in front of the wheels.
People who keep voting in those Representatives who bought the pig in the poke just may qualify as stupid though they seem to have grown smarter before the recent election.
As you pointed out, Mr. Gruber is missing some lug nuts. Almost everyone knows anything put out in public will be around the world in a matter of hours, just like pictures of Kardashian's ugly buttocks. The question I have is will his runny mouth matter in the future of obamacare?
I believe the ACA is here to stay, modified but still obamacare in name and Mr. Gruber's name will forever be a part of it. Swell. Heck of a way to be remembered by history calling the people who pick up the tab stupid.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 1:27 AM

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I am certain the new Congress will pass, piece by piece, dismantling legislation, to force the idiot-in-chief to veto each, and have the veto over-ridden. This will take time, but it is politically, much safer, than impeachment, or so say the eunuch senators and congressmen, who call themselves, men {No offense to the women]

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 10:38 AM

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"I believe the ACA is here to stay, modified but still obamacare in name ..."
It can be rewritten to the point that it is unrecognizable but will still be referred to as obamacare, his big victory.
Like everything that has just a tinge of political scandal is a "gate", once obamacare was burned into the minds of journalists we're stuck with it forever. obama saved America's health care system, check back in 50 years, that'll be the "truth".

Charging up Impeachment Hill with fixed bayonets sounds gallant. If the conservatives win, Bravo!
If they lose which is probable it's political obscurity for another 10 years. Impeachment by racists is all you'd hear about forever. It's possible the Republican party, ironically the party of rights for black Americans, could be destroyed by it.
The majority of voters seem to think obama is a loser but none the less he is still a negro.
Begin impeachment proceedings against him and his approval ratings will soar, guaranteed. No one wants to side with racists.
Conservatives will own the government beginning January, without money obama is powerless. No appointees can be confirmed. Dead in the water.

Patience and carefully choosing which battle to fight does not make them eunuchs any more than Rev.Doc.MLK Jr or Mahatma Gandhi were eunuchs.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 2:59 PM

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I ageee with LLE, if the gop does not dismantle the aca, why would we ever vote for them again. I have never thought a third party would be a good idea however, if the gop continues on in the way they ave, I see no other optoon. For me, this is thier last chance.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 12:33 PM

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I believe the ACA will be remembered as another of this country's failed attempts by the Fed-Libs to prove they know better than the "people", how the Country should "behave". If the principal negative features of the ACA are gutted, and we return to a market-based approach, we will have saved one of the world's best health-care service delivery systems, and still have the opportunity to carefully identify the past, real cost-oriented problems that existed and remove the causes of those problems. If we actually DO THAT, we should be able to apply our societal compassion by taking care of those who cannot totally pay for high quality health care, WITHOUT CREATING ANOTHER GIGANTIC, CHAOTIC FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY SIMILAR TO THE VA.

With respect to impeachment, you seem to be insinuating that the law of the land [Constitution of the USA] must not be properly implemented in this case, because of the fear of the politics of racism being hung around Congressional necks. If there is a battle which, in my opinion MUST be fought, it is this one. Our base-rock jurisprudence value system seems to have done reasonably well over the history of this country's growth and development. Crimes must be investigated, potential criminals identified, charges properly made, fair trials concluded, and verdicts rendered. The fact is that there exists more than enough evidence to indicate that the present POTUS has committed, and continues to commit "high crimes and misdemeanors", in office. Failure to honor the trial of the validity of such charges, creates in my opinion, a most dangerous erosion of our beloved Constitution, and plays directly into the hands of those who wish to destroy our democratic-republic form of government. If the new Congress will permit such an erosion at the alter of politics, imagine what they might permit with respect to the First or Second Amendments, as an example. Do you really want to just check back in 50 years, and wait passively to find out the rest of the story?

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 3:23 PM

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You seem to be trying to tie my "check back in 50 years to the totally unrelated impeachment paragraphs.
I said; Like everything that has just a tinge of political scandal is a "gate", once obamacare was burned into the minds of journalists we're stuck with it forever. obama saved America's health care system, check back in 50 years, that'll be the "truth".
See?
William Jefferson Clinton was/is a criminal rat, he was impeached but was acquitted by the Senate, he was guilty as sin, no one doubted he could have been kicked out of office for his crimes.
Sorry but I'd say a negro has a far better chance of surviving impeachment than a Caucasian.

You said; " If the new Congress will permit such an erosion at the alter of politics, imagine what they might permit with respect to the First or Second Amendments, as an example."
That is not an apples to apples, oranges to oranges comparison. Congress choses to impeach like a Grand Jury decides to indict, very different than upholding the Bill of Rights.
In two years the son of a bitch will be gone and maybe a son of a bitch of our choosing will be president. After two years of conservative control of Congress will it matter whether an attempt to impeach obama was made?
I've not seen an opinion poll asking how favorable impeaching obama would be but I'd guess mid 30% to low 40%, just a guess but there is no way the majority of Americans would favor it.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 10:20 PM

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"obamacare is burned into the minds of journalists--and beyond that, where is the backup to your assertion that "we're stuck with it forever", and further, where is the evidence that the populous believes [now], or WILL believe in the future, that Obama saved America's health care system? A contiuing survey of seven of the most reputable polls by RealClearPolitics has the people of the USA AGAINST the ACA by about 52%, and for it, by about 38%--hardly reflective of a belief of "saving" the system.

The oath of office states "support and defend the constitution of the United States"; are you saying the amendments are NOT part of the constitution, when you critique me on an applestoapples/orangestooranges basis? I find NO DIFFERENCE in following a constitutionally affirmative duty to indict and try alleged illegal practices on the part of the POTUS, with the constitutionally required affirmative duty to follow prescribed legislative procedure in every official action-- no apples to apples-oranges to oranges problem there at all.

If the POTUS is permitted to create law, in a lawless manner, without censure, perhaps the Senate and House may want to get some of that action on their pet peave amendments, and circumvent the provisions of the constitution that treat of amending amendment language, believing they can get away with it, too.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 11:50 PM

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WHERE is the evidence that
"obamacare is burned into the minds of journalists--and beyond that, where is the backup to your assertion that "we're stuck with it forever", and further, where is the evidence that the populous believes [now], or WILL believe in the future, that Obama saved America's health care system? A contiuing survey of seven of the most reputable polls by RealClearPolitics has the people of the USA AGAINST the ACA by about 52%, and for it, by about 38%--hardly reflective of a belief of "saving" the system.
++If you read the news all stories about the ACA refer to it as obamacare, WHY? Journalist's buzz words, just like we are stuck with "GATE" on every nit picking political scandal. Democrats have been trying to get their health care reform passed for years, no matter how the Republicans rewrite it the democrats are going to lay claim to it, only total repeal will get obama's name off of it. Do the Republicans want to start at square one writing an all new healthcare law or will they make all the changes just to make obamacare functional? If they don't repeal it, just overhaul it, it will work and the democrats will claim success.

The oath of office states "support and defend the constitution of the United States"; are you saying the amendments are NOT part of the constitution, when you critique me on an applestoapples/orangestooranges basis? I find NO DIFFERENCE in following a constitutionally affirmative duty to indict and try alleged illegal practices on the part of the POTUS, with the constitutionally required affirmative duty to follow prescribed legislative procedure in every official action-- no apples to apples-oranges to oranges problem there at all.

++Don't start with "are you saying the amendments are NOT part of the constitution..." I repeat, Congress choses to impeach like a Grand Jury decides to indict, very different than upholding the Bill of Rights. If, by your take Congress impeached presidents for any perceved wrongs who would NOT be impeached??? Reagan certainly would have been, NO DOUBT!

If the POTUS is permitted to create law, in a lawless manner, without censure, perhaps the Senate and House may want to get some of that action on their pet peave amendments, and circumvent the provisions of the constitution that treat of amending amendment language, believing they can get away with it, too.

++How about we let the representatives of the voting citizens of the United States carry out the will of those they represent?? 33 percent of Americans think the president should be impeached and removed from office, compared with 65 percent who say they don't support impeachment. We vote for them because we assume they will perform as we want them to. 65% seems to think there are better ways of controlling the Executive branch. How is YOUR 33% going to deal with that very large majority, revolution, civil war, assasination???

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 12:19 PM

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You argue opinion as though it is fact, and insert opinion [see your last paragraph] that flies off in a different direction. What does that have to do with the price of tea in communist China? [I am all for elected officials carrying out the will of the people who elected them.]

Please do not put words in my mouth. I said NOTHING about Congress hypothetically impeaching presidents for "ANY" perceived wrongs. The constitution provides for impeachment as a potential remedy for alleged official [not just presidential] wrongdoing, just as it provides for legislative procedure and authority as a method for righting societal problems. Which is the apple and which is the orange? Or are they BOTH tools in the kit of the federal toolbox??

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a bit difficult to follow. But I agree, time to put this topic to rest and wait to see how the new Congress deals with a rogue president.

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