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3 years 41 weeks ago, 5:51 PM

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kel-tec pf9 questions

well i put 150 rounds through it today, started off with winchester 115 gr fmj's had quite a few FTE's, then after 100 rounds i switched to magtechs and had i think 2 FTF's, curious as to what type of ammo is the highest preferred cleanest 9mm ammo.

Next week and/or weekend I'm planning to go to an indoor range to shoot some more, today was a cold day in michigan and was shooting without gloves, fairly accurate for the price.

probably would have been better off with a XDM or XD9, but as far as EDC goes, definately a winner imho. I wouldn't go crazy and buy kel-tecs full line however haha. If i have the same problems at the range as i did outside today I'll be sending it in to kel tec for maintenance/repair. getting good pay at this job i just started so more pistols/rifles on the way.

Still debating on the next pistol however, more than likely it will be a sig p226 or p229, possibly an HK USP. but then again that sig 556 looks sexy, and i love the 5.56's :), so many flavors to choose from haha. we shall see what the future holds.

Thanks in advance for the rec's for clean ammo, I'll never buy the winchesters again but the price was great and I didn't want to pass it up, live and learn right?

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 6:16 PM

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couple thoughts

lots of guns have to go thru a break in period where you might experience FTF or FTE,I think your Keltec fits that group,run about 300 rounds thru it and see if things improve.

Ammo choices,run several different types of ammo thru your gun and see which one performs the best,after the break in period,shoot up some more Winchester white too.

after you have found the ammo that will run good in your Keltec,take the rest of the ammo and the gun back to the dealer and trade for a Glock......

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:13 PM

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If the FTF or FTE continues after a few hundred rounds. One thing you can check is to make sure that the barrel is not being allowed to drop down too far. There is an known issue with some of them, though I think it was the 380's it might carry over to the PF9 also..

There is some info about it on the Keltec forum, Jeff at the range had his back to KelTec once and when it came back it has run like a champ since....

Eats everything he has fed it so far....

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 9:28 PM

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Break in

Yep. When I first fired my SA 1911, I thought the damn thing was defective. I have to admit, I am unfamiliar w/ the acronyms FTF and FTE. I had to google it. So correct me if I'm wrong, but failure to feed and failure to extract? I didn't have these problems, the 1911 would feed and extract anything. But at first it did have accuracy problems. The rounds were all over the place. But after about 100 rounds, the thing broke in and is a sweet shooter.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 2:52 AM

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haha yea

lmao yeah, told my friend i was gonna text target pics to him.... right at the end of my 150 rounds it started getting a little more accurate, I was still to embarrased, spose ill slam another 150 through it sometime soon if i can find an indoor range thats open today or late during the week. appreciate it, i know most guns have a break in period, I've heard 100-130 rounds usually but didnt seem to do the full trick, got more accurate though definately. thanks all, greatly appreciated :) ya'll are awesome

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 12:12 PM

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polishing her up

doin some polishing on the friction areas, maybe that will help a little as well :), will post updates on performance afterwards, and new pics yay o.0

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 2:18 PM

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at 21 feet it groups very well..

I talked with him again about it and he explained that he had it back twice, the second time was a total rebuid and all he got back that was original was the frame. The newer ones should not have anywhere near the issues the first run's had.

It shoots very well with 115 ball - 147 hst.... The trigger is not bad either...

They 9 is what the 380 should have been in my opinion...

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:34 PM

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About 300 rounds or a "Fluff&Buff" and you'll have a great gun! I carry mine almost daily without a second thought!

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 2:23 PM

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thanks

I'll slam another 150 through it saturday. afterwards im saving up for a HK USP 40 at the gun shop here, its used and askin i think it was 720 -/+. hope they still have it when i get the money, they got a 45 USP compact as well another hundred extra but we'll see what happens :). both come with 3 extra mags and look barely used at all. would really love to have a sig 556 but... meh... 1209 bucks... maybe some day :) thanks again for the info everyone

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3 years 40 weeks ago, 12:43 PM

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slammed another 200 rounds through it, it started grouping really well, after the 300 rounds, didnt have enough rounds to site it in though. I'll be going to an indoor range when i get the chance. and i found out why my pf9 don't like WWB's. i was inspecting the ammo as i put it in the magazine, and found defects in alot of the casings like lumps... not extra brass, just like a shitty press made em or somethin. hard to describe, but I will never buy them again, very disapointed since i found the defect. gonna try sellier and bellot next, gonna keep goin till i find my guns poison :). thanks for the 300 round suggestion, i was ready to sell it haha. i put 150 through it the first sunday, 150 through it this sunday, cleaned it and fired off the last 50, awesome results as far as grouping. very pleased for the size as far as accuracy goes. not a huge fan of the grip to be honest as the recoil was making it grind at the crotch of my thumb... expected it though. At least now i can fight off zombies in 3 different calibers, one being a pistol haha, next gun is a hk or sig though, no doubt :) thanks again all for suggestions and info, greatly appreciated.

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3 years 40 weeks ago, 1:00 PM

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Kel-Tec P-11 05117 #5 Slip-On (Finger-Grooves)

http://www.pachmayr.com/pistol-grip-details.php

Check and see if one of these will fit it...

It actually will help with the web of your hand and also give you a better grip on it with the finger grooves.

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3 years 40 weeks ago, 2:15 PM

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so did you have any failures? maybe those could be attributed to the WW,when you try the S&B keep track of any failures,like Shak said you could polish the feed ramp and maybe flair the ejection port very reasonably from a gunsmith,although i don't know if the ejection port is already flared on those,digesting several different types of ammo would be the next move,like you suggested you would do....okay i'll shut up now....i got nothing...it's been a long day.

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 2:24 AM

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yea, fluffed n buffed the hell out of it before i put the last 200 through it sunday. dang near every casing had a problem ejecting because of the flaws on the casings themselves, i never had an ejection problem with magtechs, had a couple light strikes on the primer but i can live with 2 out of 200 for that, however I will never buy WWB's again like i stated previously. gonna do some trial and error with other ammo, see what kind my pistol likes most :)... when i get time on a day where the roads are nice and clean so i can drive my piece of shit honda another 40 miles without some dumbass coming towards me because they cant drive for shit, anxious to find the right bullets for my gun.

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 4:32 AM

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Steel cases

If your gun is picky, stay away from steel. My Dad's CZ75 had all kinds of issues with steel casing.
CCI Blazer and wolf. There might have been more. I can't remember. But steel case seems to not be ejection friendly

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 7:42 AM

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1. replace the slide stop with the newer design. (Original CZ 75 non B)
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The original Slide stop could cause Feed issues with some weapons because the tang on it which catches the slide could interfere with the feeding of the second round with full magazines.

One way of checking this is to stuff your mag with as many rounds as you can get into it (some cz mags can actually eat one extra round than what it is marked for) and see if it FTF's when you shoot it.

2. Use 1000 grit Dry / Wet sand paper and put the tip of your finger in the middle of a small piece place finger and paper into the throat of the chamber and chamfer ( do a throat job ) the throat a little bit, knock off the edge.
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If the cases can swell just enough that they can drag and hang enough that the ejector can skip around the rim of the spent case.

3. use the same paper and polish the feed ramp, then take Flitz Metal Polish and polish to a mirror finish.
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This helps make sure that there is nothing, Machining grooves and or build up on the ramp which can catch and or deflect a round as it is feeding.

4. same sand paper, take the slide and flip it over. the flat surface in the middle of the slide which resets the hammer to full cock at the hammer end, there is a angle cut at the chamber end, work that angle back the 45 degree into the metal a 1/6th keeping the 45 degrees.
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Sometimes this is what causes the weapon to pick up the second round in the mag to be pulled forward causing the round to pull forward enough that the ejecting round hits the tip of the bullet hanging the spent case long enough for the ejector skipping around the rim.

I've never had any issue with factory ammo of any type in any of my CZ's. The only time I have had ammo issues is with reloads that the cases were belled out above the rim. Cases used to reload a number of times do stress and misshapen with the pressures pushing out when fired and the reshaping when loading the new bullets into the cases.

Nickel cases should not be a problem at all in a CZ...

Wolf has a coating which can gum up a chamber and actually bond just enough to causes FTE's...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 39 weeks ago, 7:56 AM

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thanks for the info. I will visit my dad and try some these out. The CCI Blazer he used was not the Blazer Brass. It was the cheap stuff and I'm pretty sure it was steel. It may have been zinc plated steel. But the case surface was rough. That's what started my suspicion of the cartridge when he started having ejection and feeding issues. When he loaded some brass cases in a mag, they fed and ejected fine. So he quit buying that stuff. Then he tried the cheap wolf. Same issue. Nothing against Wolf ammo, and their gold line is better, but I love my pistol too much to feed her that.

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 10:53 AM

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Aluminum....

Blazer Brass, comes in Brass and Aluminum... Don't know of it having a Steel case...

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Or buy a Glock

and forget the break-in period. And feed it twigs, rocks, or babies and it'll still shoot.

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