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5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:20 PM

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L.A. council tightens gun, ammunition laws

The move is intended to help reduce the city's gun and gang violence, but an NRA lawyer says a lawsuit is likely.

December 18, 2008
The Los Angeles City Council approved a package of gun control laws Wednesday, placing new requirements on ammunition sellers and banning the sale of military-style ammunition in the hopes of further reducing the city's gun and gang violence.
The measures ban the sale of .50-caliber ammunition, capable of penetrating a car's engine, and would require the city's ammunition vendors to be licensed, to sell ammunition face-to-face instead of over the Internet and require gun dealers to report a full accounting of their inventory twice a year to the Police Department.

The council passed laws prohibiting the installation of secret compartments for guns in cars and allowing the city to permanently seize vehicles used by certain gang members during a crime, which was proposed by City Atty. Rocky Delgadillo.

The council also approved an ordinance that would allow landlords to evict tenants who are convicted of illegally possessing weapons or ammunition within 1,000 feet of the rental property.

A lawyer for the National Rifle Assn. said his client probably would file suit to block some of the measures.

Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who helped develop the ordinances with Councilman Jack Weiss and other members, praised the package at a news conference before the vote.

"We use this to stop a vehicle," Bratton said, holding up a .50-caliber bullet longer and thicker than a finger. "Unless you are out trying to kill Godzilla, and I think the last time we saw Godzilla was in the 1950s, there is no need for this type of weapon" unless it is in the hands of the military or law enforcement, he said.

Villaraigosa dismissed questions about whether the ammunition restrictions would have a practical effect since buyers could simply purchase the bullets over the Internet or in cities where the laws do not apply.

"Part of what we're doing here is leading the way," Villaraigosa said, stating that the measures are another tool to fight gun violence and that he hoped other cities and President-elect Barack Obama's administration would follow suit. "This is the most far-reaching effort of any big city in the country. . . . This isn't about symbolism; it's about results."

The council approved the measures unanimously.

But C.D. Michel, a Long Beach attorney who represents the National Rifle Assn. and the California Rifle & Pistol Assn., said his clients were likely to sue over the new laws governing ammunition sales and vendors because they either conflict with or are duplicated by state law.

Michel, the law partner of city attorney candidate Carmen A. Trutanich, also questioned the effectiveness of the ammunition measures, noting that there are only a handful of gun vendors left in the city and buyers could go elsewhere.

"A lot of these don't really do what the sound bite would portray them as doing," said Michel, who accused Weiss of pushing the measures to get publicity for his own campaign for city attorney. "It's about trying to look like you're doing something when you're not really doing anything. . . . My clients will just just challenge the ones that are illegal in court."

Weiss, who introduced four of the ordinances and is chairman of the city's public safety committee, addressed the possibility of legal challenges by the NRA at the news conference.

"I think the message from everyone up here to the NRA is pretty simple: Make our day. We will fight you in court. We will win," Weiss said.

Weiss has criticized Trutanich's associations with the NRA, which is likely to be an issue in the city attorney's race.

After several council members received a letter from Michel on the letterhead of the Trutanich-Michel firm challenging several proposed gun and ammunition ordinances, Weiss called on his opponent to "fire the NRA as a client or quit the race for city attorney."

Weiss' campaign also circulated a news article to reporters in which Trutanich refers to the NRA as his client.

But when Weiss raised the issue in early December, Trutanich released a statement stating that the NRA is not his client, he is not a member of the organization and he disagrees with many of the NRA's positions.

His campaign manager said he was misquoted when he referred to the NRA as a client in the August news article.

maeve.reston@latimes.com

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:27 PM

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That city is one of the main reasons that The Peoples Republic of California is in the mess that it's in. This is just another attempt at scaring those that know no better. If L.A., San Diego, and the bay area would all dry up and blow away we all would be better off. Sorry if I offend any of those at Camp Pendelton, but your surrounding area is full of assholes.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:31 PM

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is already name dropping Obama and his gun control policy.it will be interesting to see where this ends up

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:43 PM

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the fireworks, in court.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:13 PM

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well the NRA sure has its work cutout for them, and i think they will win.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 5:19 PM

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When I hear public officials make statements like "Unless you are out trying to kill Godzilla, and I think the last time we saw Godzilla was in the 1950s, there is no need for this type of weapon" then I get pretty pissed. I'm sorry, but what exactly qualifies anyone to tell me what kind of weapon I need or don't need? Yeah, Braton was right in saying we're not fighting Godzilla. He's got me on that one. But were are fighting an enemy that is far more dangerous. Politicians that are in full support of gun ownership, until they get elected and then they support gun control. The irony here, is on Feb. 28th 1997 Los Angeles witnessed the North Hollywood Shootout. If you haven't heard of it, just do a google search and you'll find plenty of info. What your less likely to find, is when the LAPD realized that a 9mm pistol was a poor match against a modified automatic AK with 75 round drums what did they do? They went to B&B, a local gun retailer, and took weapons that were better suited for the job. You know, AR-15's some mini-30's and some HK assault rifles. Shortly there after, the assault concluded with the deaths of both gunman. One of the weapons taken from B&B was determined to be responsible for one of them. If that happened today, none of those rifles would have been on the shelves for them to take (except for the mini 30). And based on the current political climate there's gonna be a lot more empty shelves. So instead of taking the NRA for granted by saying "why aren't they fighting these guys" I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is because they are fighting, and there is strength in numbers. Either that or call Mr. Braton the next time I go to range and ask him what is ok to practice with.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:19 PM

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I'm staying out of California. Arizona will do nicely, thank you.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 11:09 PM

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I love living here in AZ too. But I still worry about political actions that are taken from state policy then turned into federal proposals.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 11:25 PM

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Mr. Weiss will be accomodated in court. His day will be made by the NRA and a complete strike down of the ordinances. I try not to predict the future. Let's just say, that is my gut feel.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 31 weeks ago, 12:02 PM

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one brick at a time...

the progressive socialists have been building its siege wall against our country one brick at a time since at least the early 1930's...

we are past due on taking those brick out one brick at a time...

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 5:38 PM

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Seeing stories like that make me glad I live in Mich.

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