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4 years 14 weeks ago, 2:40 PM

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I can't continue to use the weed-eater around my trees. There are just too many & I'm not getting any younger. Yeah, it was kind of fun when I moved here in '82. Is there a chemical I can put around my tree trunks that will kill the grass/weeds but not kill the tree? I must have about 100 trees & that's just in the part of the property that I mow.

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 3:16 PM

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In all seriousness bud, don't try to control so much property.
Mow and maintain what you can, fence the rest and put goats on it for a couple of years.
o'course, I aint got 100 trees on 200 acres, what do I know?

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 3:26 PM

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Friggen goats will not only chew the grass and weeds down to nothing, they will keep the branches from growing to the ground. My dad lives up in Napa and one of his neighbors has 6 or 7 goats. The fence on the outside of the goat pen is overgrown with grapes and trees, inside is bare. I took the kids over to see the goats on the way to seeing the horses down the road. We started feeding them grapes, some ripe, some not so ripe. We feed them so many they stopped eating anything! Never thought I would see the day when a goat would stop eating.

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 3:26 PM

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You might try roundup

Try it on a small patch out of the way first. A little goes a long way. It gets to the roots. Says right here on the bottle: "weed & grass killer. Rainproof in 10 minutes. Visible results in 6 hours"

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 3:28 PM

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Schuyler, That stuff does work, I use it for maintenance as well, to keep them down.

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 3:30 PM

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has a Garden Dept. Buy weed & grass killer. It has to get on the leave of weeds or grass to kill and won't harm mature trees.
Be sure you don't buy brush killer.

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 3:34 PM

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Roundup

Is a extremely potent fertilizer. I actually makes the plant outgrow the root.
Non selective, meaning it kills grass and broadleaf alike.
All the goats I have owned would eat broadleaf and leave grass alone.
We use goats to clean pasture. In 1 year cows are in heaven, all grass and no weeds.

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 3:39 PM

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Also, don't buy the stuff that is orange or red. It doesn't work worth a damn. There is a bottle that comes with a sprayer built in. The bottle is silver and black, and the stuff is clear inside. Sorry I'm not home or I'd give you the name. I buy my stuff at Lowes, I can't stand HD.

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 3:40 PM

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It's a potent killer. Whatever you spray turns brown and dies. I have made the mistake of using too much and wound up killing the plant I was trying to protect. It comes in several ways. If it says to mix with water at and X:Y ratio, do exactly what it says. I now use the squirt bottle variety which is pre-mixed just to avoid my over-zealous nature. "Mix 20:1? Well, then 10:1 is better! Hell, why not just use it straight up! What could possibly go wrong????"

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 3:48 PM

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Round up

Is actually a potent fertilizer.
It causes the plant to outgrow the root system and die from lack of nutrients.
Too much will burn a plants leaves and allow it to come back stronger.
Too little will "yellow" the plant and result in a dramatic growing spurt.
The right dosage will result in an overburdened root system wich cannot meet the demands of the leaves request for nutrients, resuling in the demise of the entire plant.
Check it out, I get to be right now and then. LOL

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 3:54 PM

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Roundup® (a trade name used by Monsanto) and other herbicides based on glyphosphate (the generic name) are probably the most commonly applied weed killers in use today. These herbicides are used by everyone from farmers to foresters to gardeners to biologists trying to control invasive exotic plants.

Glyphosphate-based herbicides all work on the same biochemical principle -- they inhibit a specific enzyme that plants need in order to grow. The specific enzyme is called EPSP synthase. Without that enzyme, plants are unable to produce other proteins essential to growth, so they yellow and die over the course of several days or weeks. A majority of plants use this same enzyme, so almost all plants succumb to Roundup.

If you have read the HowStuffWorks article How Cells Work, you know a good bit about DNA and how it produces enzymes. In the same way that many antibiotics gum up enzyme production to kill bacteria, glyphosphate gums up enzymes in plants to kill them. Glyphosphate kills plants like antibiotics kill bacteria.

If you've been following farming news or the genetically modified food debate, you know that glyphosphate-tolerant seeds are now available -- you can buy genetically modified corn, soybeans, etc. that are immune to glyphosphate. These plants produce an enzyme that performs the same function as EPSP synthase but is not inhibited by glyphosphate.

The question of safety is a hard one to answer because there is a lot of polarized and conflicting information. Here are a few things we can probably say with some certainty:

Given the amount of glyphosphate sprayed on the planet every day, it is probably safe to say that glyphosphate is not violently toxic to people or animals. People do not have the same enzymes in their cells that plants do, just like human cells and bacteria differ enough that antibiotics kill bacteria cells but not human cells.

On the other hand, most people react badly to glyphosphate (and other chemicals mixed with it) when ingested or applied to the skin, so you want to avoid any contact with the chemical.
Roundup will kill almost any plant, including aquatic plants, so you want to be sure to avoid spray drift onto other plants or into water. Any pesticide should be applied carefully.

http://home.howstuffworks.com/question3571.htm

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 3:57 PM

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You just told me the same thing the Monsanto saleseman told me 30 yr ago.
It outgrows the root. plain and simple.

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 4:06 PM

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OK, Vaquero

Whatever you say. I just don't see it in that description.

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 4:16 PM

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I have been called hard headed all my life.
Hell, even if I am wrong, I am tenacious.
( I shoulda been a lawyer, just cuz I like to argue).
I really aint got no feelings anyway, cept for my family, then ya'll aint got a prayer.

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 6:19 PM

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i vote for the goats

fatten them up and then grill 'em.

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 4:03 PM

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cbxjeff,
Depending on weather and rain, a soil nuetralizer works great. You have to RTFL and follow it (Read The Fucking Label). Leeching is the only problem we have had. Leeching is when the chemical travels to another location that you had not anticipated. When I was a licensed applicator, I had acces to some real neat stuff; 7-10 year neutralizer that penetrated 12-18 inches. I would recommend Casoron granules. Casoron lasts for about 3-4 years, again depending on weather and area. I would not recommend it on slopes. It will not kill the tree, but it will neutralize the top 3-4 inches of the soil to curtail the growth of vegetation.

Round up (tm) is a good alternative, but it should be applied at least once a year. You might have to apply it more.

good luck with your maintenance!!

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