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4 years 24 weeks ago, 1:11 PM

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This is one of my favorite subjects in the world, which i guess goes to show what an odd ball i really am.. I just commented about what a strange and wonderful world our Gunsluts is, and maybe this is the sorta thing that makes it that way..

Some things in life can't be defined in normal parameters.. A group of liberals sitting around talking about sharpening knifes is sorta hard to imagine.. yet im guessing you guys are with me on this one, putting an edge on a blade.. a real edge, not a burr ridden edge that "feels" sharp, but a razor to scalpel sharp edge that you honestly dont feel when your cut, is a true form of artistry, and can be one of lifes little pleasures..

So with that in mind.. lets talk about it. Let me say as an opener that in the last 30 years that i have been "serious" about this subject, I've noticed when ever the subject comes up, and i bring up some pointers, i get that, hold on bubba, im an Alpha fuck'n male.. I know how to sharpen a knife attitude.. and good on ya if you do.. but if you will listen for a bit i might be able to take you from sharp to razor edge.. to razor to scalpel edge.. for real..

In 1980 i was given a tri stone sharping kit.. sure you've all seen them or have them.. For reasons unknown to me, i fell in love with putting an edge on a blade.. this progressed to buying a number of hard Arkansas stones..and as it was before the age of the Internet, doing research was difficult, it started with a lot of reading, conversations with others, the usual stuff..

At the same time i was camping with the same group of guys every weekend, and i would take my stones along (obvious, but talking about the sharping ones dummies) .. Like all of life, getting positive reinforcement, (and free beer and doobies) goes a long way toward making you excel at a field..

So pretty soon i started stropping with leather, this believe it or not is not half as easy as the old barber throwing the straight razor up and down a couple of times.. and as a matter of fact that's exactly how i finally learned how to do it.. i talked to three of four old time barbers.. I've always cut my own hair (#2 clipper) so i would go into a neighborhood shop, look for the oldest guy there, and just tell him i was really into putting on an edge.. That did it.. Every man likes to share something thier good at.. (hence this post kids).. and i was soon doing scalpels. period !

Last night i came on and couldn't stay, and here's Vaq, Greasy, Lucky, Run's, and all my bro's talking about this and i just about shit a brick cause i couldn't join in.. OK.. by the steps.. and finally huh...sorry.. yes ol greg does run on a bit..but man i love this topic..

The whole thing starts with angle, runs 20 degree thing is on the money for all around knife, and 25-30 for an edge that lasts longer or gets harder use.. When i was going for scalpel i would drop down below 15 degrees.. but that's a different story. 20 degrees is a good rule of thumb.. runs also said don't worry about "drawing" the blade a circle will do the job.. yes and no. a circle works, but not nearly as well.. to get the best edge pure and simple you have to do the "slice" thing.. a lot of this is lubrication..(I'll leave the obvious female jokes aside) but it's just as important.. You have to keep the stone really wet to keep it the shavings off it.. Lets try to do this by the numbers..

1) the hardness of the stone.. the softer the stone the more it will grind the blade, rule of thumb is to continue harder and harder stones till the blade starts to "roll".. you can absolutely feel this..

2) After you have an edge that can shave the hair off your arm, your now getting close..

3) At this point you really have to have a good hard arkansas stone.. focus on dropping the angle little by little each time (always doing slices) till you feel the edge "roll"..

4) The blade should now be sharp enough to easily shave hair..and will feel real sharp..that's not the edge.. this is so cool..this is the point where it gets fun.. your feeling the burrs, and as soon as you deburr you start getting into real sharpness...

5) Your now at the point of stooping.. and this takes a couple of different finishes of leather. the best thing to do is what i did... go to an old barber shop, and ask if they will sell you one of thier old ones.. they usually have three of four belts.. the old razor strap now has a "positive" purpose.. OK, guess it always did, but now a fun one..

6) The trick on stropping is actually pretty difficult, and a matter of practice.. the one thing i can tell you is don't do it the way you see it done on the screen.. never "roll" the blade.. again your going from softer to harder leather..and when you come to the edge of the draw "lift" the blade dont roll it..

7) After the burrs are off.. you go to paper.. drawing not slicing.. then you go to flat glass...
again your always drawing not slicing after you leave the stone..

At this point you should have a scary sharp edge.. this is where you can easily shave with it, and do a bit of minor surgery should the need arise.. enjoy.. I progressed to the point of having a home bussiness in Tucson "Ed's Edges".. and to this day, love...ya think.. the subject.

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 1:40 PM

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This was the longest diatribe ive ever written.. Just reread.. Yes obviously hit the spell check after i finished it... but didn't really read for content.. As my fingers are now numb im going to get off, and go get some work done around the joint.. Think this is the longest post ive written, and perhaps (man i hope not) read in the past 6 months..For that i apologize.. for the passion on the subject i sure don't.. There is something really special about getting that edge...

Good grief..im doing it again... Lord love a duck the boy does ramble..sorry brothers..and i do hope you guys got something from it besides boredom..

Bob.. notice your on.. i watch that German video of the back hoe climbing the tower every night, Can't tell you how many times I've watched that..Also trying to get my German back..just wanted to say thanks again.. Maybe send it to Sam for posting brother.. its great!

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 1:43 PM

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great post greg

I only really learned to sharpen a knife the right way a few yrs back.Started with a gatco kit but it was a pain the ass to get set up right.Then tried different stones until I realized there are differences in stone quality and spent enough to get a good one.I now find myself using a Buck diamond stone then a steel afterwards.I use the 20 degree angle and the "slice" motion.

4 years 24 weeks ago, 2:03 PM

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I had just got on you runs and vaq were talking about your new blade, and Gloria says honey come watch TV with me..Master and Commander far side of the sea so great movie, but that was the start of the post.. Figured i better stay on the REAL good side for "our" project.. and i will call ya on that some time later this week.. guessing Wed or Thur.. got to go...later..

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 2:50 PM

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my fixed blade "combat" knives. My Cold Steel Recon Tanto and Hissatsu have rough edges. I get them just about shaving sharp, then a few swipes on the coarse stone. This idea came from james Williams, the designer of the Hissatsu, owner of Bugei Trading and a master of all kinds of old Japanese ass kicking -dos and jus and whatever else. His idea is that a very sharp blade with a rough edge will cut just as easily and deeply, but will leave a ragged cut which won't seal as easily.

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 3:04 PM

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was fishing in Alaska. I cleaned 200 fish a day with a typical fishing knife (scoop on the ass end for cleaning out by the spine.) We had an old old stone on the boat, a 35 foot troller, that was bowed with many years use and saturated with oil. I used a circular motion on the stone and the difference it would make was astounding! It would go from having to saw through the flesh to gliding through effortlessly.

When I got back I bought myself one of those kits that has three stones hooked to a metal brace. Although I can't draw it here, the metal clip is screwed onto the back of the knife. It has two perpendicular pieces of metal with holes in it. You stick the stone onto a long rod and insert into the holes on the brackets. This ensures you have a steady angle. Then you oil up and push from the blade toward the back of the knife. You start out with the roughest, which you don;t really need after you have gone through it once, then work toward the finest grit.

Is this the triple you were talking about, Greg?

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 3:48 PM

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The one i had was a frame V set up with separate cross bar that fit into the frame, the cross bar had three sides of stone on it. I've seen the one your talking about, but of course your limited to what ever angle is set.. The actual act of slicing that blade across the stone allows you to get what ever angle you want.. Both you and Dave are right about the speed of the circular motion, but to get past razor you almost have to slice the blade.. I didn't want to confuse an already long post (did you see the comment to Clint asking where you were re: the spelling of Tolstoy lol) i would use a circular motion to get close, then the slice, that's the only way i found to get right to the point of the blade "rolling".. Run's idea of a rough edge, and subsequent healing is accurate.. Only problem with that is half the time your the one getting cut... The "deburr" process, leather, paper, and then glass is where you get into scalpel territory...

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 7:07 PM

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I've never been able to get that scapel edge your talking about, but what I use my Knifes for.......I generaly don't need them that sharp. I've found in my line on work ( New Construction Plumbing) any edge sharper than a razor is to much, and doesn't hold up well. I will try your way on my carry knife and see what I can do! My Grandfather made knifes in his free time and could get them sharper then piss.......Guess I didn't inherit that gene! Thanks for the lesson......I hope that I can master it some day!

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 1:26 AM

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that's why you need about a dozen different knives,you have to have blades that are set for different tasks,maybe we ought to have a gunslot challenge:

Post a photo of your knife that you would use on a daily basis and record what you cut,slashed,or stabbed with it.

some people would just be opening the mail(which i prefer an extremely sharp knife for),while others(like you) would just be stabbing turds or whatever new construction plumbers do(not so sharp a knife).

what say ye?

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 5:59 AM

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I abuse my work knifes. Everything you probaly shouldn't use a knife for........Edges just don't hold up, for me. Thats why I keep an ACCUSHARP sharpener in the truck at all times. I'll post some pictures soon........maybe a post work-pre cleanup shot!

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 2:05 AM

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stabbing turds..

Here's a stupid story i don't think I've told on myself. Just a wee bit embarrassing.. I went back to Peoria Illinois after the service, home like most had a basement... Plumbing goes south.. So i go down, and im looking at the sewage pipe, and half way across the basement here's an inspection fitting.. So i grab my trusty monkey wrench..(have no idea what i used, been 40 years ago) just remember unscrewing this cap, and here's this solid mass of brown gunk.. no odor..(at the time)..

This is the unreal part.. i knew while i was in the process of sticking the handle into this solid mass of brown gunk that it was a huge mistake.. no alcohol or drugs in this story.. just stupidity.. Yep.. the solid mass of brown gunk became liquid shit in about a half a micro second..and no i wasn't smart enough to stand out of the way.. Only good in the story is that there was a drain under the fitting.. and it fixed the plumbing.. You guys who have been here a while remember when i did that post a long time ago about stupid stunts weve pulled.. I didn't know ya all well enough to tell you this one at the time...

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 2:24 AM

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I am gonna post a pic

of my most important knife I have that I use for everything!

4 years 24 weeks ago, 2:36 AM

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LMFAO

my computer is scanning and slow as crap but that was a funny story greg! I have built many wastewater treatment plants,most new,some remodeled,and on this remodeled one our company had to send 2 guys down a 20 foot deep hole 12' x 12' and replace 2 snail turbines,which are high speed pumps for sanitation lines,chock full of extremely foul everything.

well we had the city drain the lines and power wash the enclosure and piping,then myself and another Superintendent(lead from the front!) went down with rubber boots,rainsuits,goggles,rubber gloves ducttaped up to the elbows,and wrenches to take this apart.Man it stunk! we were wrenching on 2 inch wide bolts,about 20 bolts per flange,it was about 120 degrees! when we got the first flanges to crack apart about 40 gallons of the nastiest combination of liquid human castoff splashed out onto us,the guy i was working with looked at me and said" i have never been pissed on by so many at one time before in my life!"

It didn't take long to get the job done.

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 2:51 AM

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The thing is.. there was part of me while im sticking the handle in yelling... YOU DUMB SHIT..

I couldn't remember if i had told that so i went back and checked the post. I'll have to bring it back up one of these days for the new guys.. Remember the one about greasy shooting his truck hood, and hitting (think) the accelerator rod..And someone, can't remember who getting dragged under thier truck.. Don't think you mentioned that one at the time, Guessing we all have a bunch more, will dig it up one of these days when nothing else is going on...

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 2:53 AM

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funny as hell every time i think about it!

4 years 24 weeks ago, 3:02 AM

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well it was

a toyota wasn't it? funny damn story. i'm grinning about the handle going into the pipe too there greg,i might have to write down any sage advice you might have over that little incident,LOL

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 4:19 PM

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Greg's knives

Back in high school I sold enough magazine subscriptions to "win" a prize.
This was for FFA.
So I chose the best I could get, a Schrade sharpfinger.
Whoo! What a knife!
A backbone you can't bend, and steel you can work.
You can make this thing razor sharp with anything from a flat bastard to your boot upper.

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 9:37 PM

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ya'll got me going, now everything is razor sharp and I did dishes.
I'm bleedin like a stuck hog on my right thumb, yeah my RIGHT!.
This will take forever to heal.
I ought to post pictures of the knives I use the most, but they are all kitchen knives.
Remember, I work out of town and stay by myself in an rv. I don't eat out cuz they can't cook as good as me.
Hell, I'll probably wake up in a pool of blood tomorrow.

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4 years 24 weeks ago, 9:45 PM

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lmfao

had to have the wife come read what you wrote there Vaq,i see bandaids in your future.

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