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6 years 13 weeks ago, 8:12 PM

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Liberal Politicians: "Forget controlling guns; let's control the ammo"
February 16, 2:23 PM
by Jim Kouri, Law Enforcement Examiner
Gun owners are alarmed over what they're witnessing in Washington, DC and state legislatures across the country. Realizing they could not succeed in disarming American citizens, Liberal organizations and their political representatives have decided to allow armed citizens to possess all the guns they wish. The hitch is, according to political strategist Mike Baker, the so-called gun-grabbers have decided to track ammunition for those guns by encoding the cartridges and maintaining a database.

Ammo control laws will also stipulate that uncoded ammunition will be confiscated either voluntarily or through coercive means, according to Baker.

There are a number of states that have proposed legislation not to control guns, but to control the ammunition those guns utilize, claims Baker.

Basically the new state laws would provide that, after a specific date, all handgun and “assault weapon” ammunition manufactured or sold in the state shall be coded by the manufacturer, and would include a list of all calibers covered by the coding requirement. It would mandate the disposal by a certain date of all non-coded ammunition listed, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets.

At the federal level, H.R. 408 introduced by Rep. Robert Andrews (D-NJ) a new law would require firearms manufacturers to provide ballistics information on all new firearms to BATF, which would retain the information in a National Firearms Ballistics Database. Critics claim part of this bill will be used to mandate encoding ammunition, which is part and parcel of "ballistics" information.

"[Lawmakers] should ignore the media hype on the firearms issue and pay attention to what the public – their constituents – are saying on the matter,” gun rights expert John M. Snyder stated.

“According to an August poll conducted by Zogby International for Associated Television News, the American public rejects the notion that new gun control laws are needed by a two-to-one margin,” Snyder continued.

“Maybe the House of Representatives should have taken a reading of public opinion on this issue before rushing headlong without a roll call vote to pass a bill before the recess,” said Snyder, who is a firearms advisor to the National Association of Chiefs of Police. < http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/default.cfm?Action=ViewMyNews... >

Legal experts say that the US Constitution's Tenth Amendment prohibits the federal government from making and enforcing such laws and that controlling ammunition and other such activities are relegated to the individual states.

As a result, such legislation is pending in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.

Most, if not all, of these states are using a model law created by a left-wing organization Ammunition Accountability. < http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm > Perusal of that organization's web site provides visitors with a recommended law for use by states seeking to control guns by using a "backdoor" approach.

For instance, the Ammunition Accountability web site features an article appearing in the Seattle Weekly about one group's mission to push an ammo control law through the Washington state legislature.

According to the web site "news" story, the idea for coding ammunition originated when the three proponents of ammo coding "heard the story of a police shooting where two officers fired their weapons, but only one hit the suspect. In an investigation of the shooting, both officers were put on leave, since there wasn't an immediate way to determine which one of them had fired the bullet."

< http://www.seattleweekly.com/2008-03-05/news/three-seattle-guys-want-to-... >

While state legislatures differ in the wording of their proposed laws, basically they all require that any and all ammunition be encoded by the manufacturer and they will maintain a mandatory data base of all ammunition sales.

"We of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms oppose this backdoor approach to gun control," Snyder, an official with that gun rights group, told NewswithViews.com.

The sample legislation stipulates that, “each year in the United States, more than 30 percent of all homicides that involve a gun go unsolved; handgun ammunition accounts for 80 percent of all ammunition sold in the United States; current technology for matching a bullet used in a crime to the gun that fired it has worked moderately well for years, but presupposes that the weapon was recovered by law enforcement;” and “bullet coding is a new and effective way for law enforcement to quickly identify persons of interest in gun crime investigations.”

Ammunition coding technology works by laser etching the back of each bullet with an alpha-numeric serial number. Then when a customer purchases a box of, for example, 9mm cartridges, the box of ammunition and the bullets’ coding numbers would be connected to the purchaser in a statewide or national database.

The code on the bullet can be read with a simple magnifying glass and then be run through a statewide or national database to determine who purchased the ammunition and where.

The rationale being used by proponents of such laws is that cartridges can be used to trace a gun owner who committed a crime such as murder or assault with a deadly weapon, according to the National Association for Gun Rights' Executive Director Dudley Brown.

< http://www.nationalgunrights.org/index.shtml >

But opponents of ammo registration laws counter that this will only increase the incidents of criminals collecting spent cartridges and depriving police of other evidence such as fingerprints on a cartridge left at the crime scene.

"NAGR's strategy is simple: make the enemies of our firearms freedoms pay for every inch. While many so-called "gun rights groups" work to curry favor with politicians and the media, NAGR is working aggressively to hold politicians accountable and to put a stop to gun control," said Brown.

"Liberal gun-grabbers are a cunning lot," said Mike Baker. "Instead of concentrating on disarming citizens of their weapons, they're attempting to render those weapons useless by controlling the ammunition. First, they'll keep records of ammunition sold and collect uncoded ammo, then they will be in a better position to restrict the sale of ammunition to law-abiding citizens. It's a cunning approach to disarming Americans," he said.

http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news126.htm

6 years 13 weeks ago, 8:36 PM

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I was not worried about Obama getting anything done until the stimulous bill passed today. He passed a piece of shit off as prime rib. The bill has nothing to do with the economy but more of wealth redistribution and social spending.
If he is getting that shit bill rubber stamped, he can get gun control done. The Obama administration is fucking evil and will turn our nation into something resembling east germany in the 1980's.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 3:08 AM

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encoded ammo

by what the above says,i will find it practical,when and if they start selling coded ammo, to disassemble all factory ammunition that is coded and with a mini lathe turn the face off the rear of the bullet.very labor intensive,yes but then i will feel better about my ammo.if they want to mark it,i want to unmark it!

6 years 13 weeks ago, 8:32 AM

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greasypaws

Only problem with unmarking is that after 2011 all unmarked ammo is to be turned in to the govt. and then you become the outlaw. So the bad guys steal your marked and registered ammo, use it in the comission of a crime and greasypaws is Public Enemy #1. Works for me? Fuck these money grubbing assholes! The guy that invented this laser etched ammo is now a multi millionaire after this is approved and the gov't gets 5 cents or more per shell over and above manufacturers cost!

6 years 13 weeks ago, 3:54 AM

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SamD

what i was trying to say is with my machining equipment and reloading tools i can disassemble,alter and reassemble ammo.polish off the markings on bullets,either with my mini lathe(self built)or one at a time with sand paper or steel wool and a magniying glass to verify the effect and tumble brass in a walnut media and viola! no more markings!yeah,probably illegal as hell but whatever!oh,microstamped chambers or firing pins?i got more than one way to skin a cat on them too!as a machinist/mechanic i can come with all kinds of crazy shit!stay tuned!dadadagreasypaws!

6 years 13 weeks ago, 3:12 AM

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Well, they can have it. The bullets, anyway.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 12:40 PM

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lol

runawaygun762 wrote:
Well, they can have it. The bullets, anyway.

Goood Vwone!! :)

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