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4 years 8 weeks ago, 12:12 PM

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a little help...

I've been looking into different gas piston AR uppers. One in particular that caught my attention is the Titan Defense upper. It is not avilable to the public yet, but will be in the upcoming months and possibly weeks (I've read the first quarter of 2010). I think a couple have been released here and there, but not many. Its a sweet looking piston upper that reminds me of the HK 416. One of the sales guys at US auto weapons, which is a good reputable store, suggested that I check Titan defense out.

My dilemma is this...
I've read on a couple other boards that Todd Bailey may be involved in the company. Todd is from here (Mesa, AZ) and is well known through out the firearms manufacturing community for putting out sub standard, low quality, junk, HK clones which can be dangerous and sloppy at the best. He is also known for his shady business practices (just google him) and creating numerous LLC's with different names to keep peddling his same products because the consumers have caught on and he's being pounded with lawsuits. These may just be rumors about Mr. Bailey being involved with Titan, but I don't know. I personally don't want to touch anything this guy has come near according to what I've heard about him. I have tried to contact Titan, but no response yet. He may just have the right to sell them.

If there is anyone here that is good at digging up info on people/companies or has a little extra time to help me reserach this, your help would be greatly appreciated. I don't want to totally rule Titan out because it looks like a great product, and these rumors may just be unjustified speculation by people jumping to conclusions on other message boards, who have no experience with the product or company... but since the product isn't out yet, there's no real consumer reviews. Any imput is appreciated.

A few of Mr. Bailey's business ventures include:
TACTICAL WEAPONS TRAINING ACADEMY INC
COHARIE ARMS, INC.
COHARIE ORDNANCE FACTORY INC.
OMEGA ARMS, INC.
SPECIAL WEAPONS, INC., A CLOSE CORPORATION
ACME PARTS INC.
BCH MANUFACTURING, LLC
TOP NOTCH ACCESORIES, LLC
TOP NOTCH ACCESSORIES, INC
BOBCAT WEAPONS INC.

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4 years 8 weeks ago, 12:51 PM

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Reaper

Aftermarket piston uppers and conversion kits are all risky endeavors. I thought about dropping the cash on one just to keep up with the 5.11 Cool Guy Joneses, but I've read a lot of bad things about DIY kits versus buying factory rifles. Of course my suggestion isn't really in keeping with your request, but whether this yahoo is involved or not, I'd recommend treating a new product like this just like you would a new year model of truck and wait a bit to check out reviews and let any bugs get worked out. But I'm just a fuckin' retard, so don't pay attention to me. SHUT UP, RUN!!!!

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4 years 8 weeks ago, 2:44 PM

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Shut up!!! You're just a fuckin' retard. I'm not paying attention to you. Damn it, I paid attention to you. Titan makes a complete upper that you simply put onto a lower. It's not a parts kit or conversion. The way I see it, Its no different than buying a piston upper from Bushmaster, Ruger, Stag, LWRC etc... I still like LWRC the best, but the Titan is about $700 cheaper.
http://www.titandefense.com/

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4 years 8 weeks ago, 2:53 PM

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well crap

i have spent about an hour searching on this guy and have found nothing more than you have i bet.You got it right,i'd stay away from him.I haven't found much out about Titan Defense yet either,at least i'm consistent.I did read some more good articles on Stag Arms though,it seems the new version coming up is a gas piston with 1 in 7 twist,that's gonna drop the prices on the older style AR platforms,hopefully.i'm gonna check around a bit more on this,probably a total waste of time but what the hell.

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4 years 8 weeks ago, 3:09 PM

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OK

here is this guy's personal forum. It looks like he just put it up to talk to himself and bash the guys over at HK Pro. A little too much drama for me.

http://www.hk-54.com/board/viewforum.php?f=33

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4 years 8 weeks ago, 4:13 PM

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yep

at the very least he comes off as very unprofessional,not the sort of communication i would expect to see from a company President either in quality or content.

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4 years 8 weeks ago, 8:24 PM

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They are LWRC International gas piston uppers.They are on the more exspensive side, but you get what you pay for. Everyone I have talked to on other sites and the mags I have read say these things are the best you can get. I was saving my money for one and ended up spending the money on something else. When I do get the money though this is the system I am going to use.

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4 years 8 weeks ago, 8:36 PM

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Whats wrong

What is wrong with the old gas system? I carried 1 for a year in Nam and it never gave 1 seconds problem. Beacuse something is new, does not mean it is better.

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4 years 7 weeks ago, 11:29 AM

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there's nothing terribly wrong with Stoner's direct impingement gas system. As you stated it works great (if maintained and lubricated properly). The piston system stops some of the debris blow back into the bolt housing area keeping the gun cleaner, and in theory making it more reliable and less malfunction prone. It also operates cooler, adding life to crutial parts. Cleaner and cooler = a more reliable weapon system. The piston system does add a little weight, but not much. I already have a DI bushmaster, I was just looking into a piston system since I'm planning on adding another AR to my squad sometime.

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3 years 20 weeks ago, 6:19 AM

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Reaper: Piston

I strongly recommend POF to you since you are in Arizona... They are made in Glendale and all components are 100% American Made!

Otherwise see my other post to you...

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4 years 7 weeks ago, 2:59 PM

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piston upper

I just ordered a new piston upper for my wife. She tried my TNW QCB and had to have one. The price isn't bad for a billet piston upper. The fit is nice and tight, and the function so far is great. The only quibble I have is the 1-7 barrel that limits you to the heavier bullets. It doesn't like the wally world bulk packs.

3 years 20 weeks ago, 6:17 AM

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Disclaimer: I am not a couch critic or someone that really writes many bad things about anyone.... This issue is one I feel I should share my info on so take it for what it is.

Ok, I have actually met Todd Bailey and been to his warehouse/factory... I have to say that what I can state publicly as fact is that they are:

1. Extremely disorganized at best.
2. Trying to product M.I.M. parts (Metal Injection Molding) for most things that I saw, which he insists is stronger than standard parts and also cheaper. My opinion is that machined parts are the equivalent of being a billet lower as M.I.M. is forged lower receiver technology.
3. FOR YOUR UPPER: I wonder if this is their copy of the Ruger 5.56 or whatever other rifle they had last year that they had started producing. From what I was told it was a total copy made from more "big box" named company. My thought is that companies like this will take a design and copy it and when they get sued for stealing they just go bankrupt owing people lots of money, and start another company... I don't know if this is the case here, but I would beware.
4. I have had 3 separate instances of trying to do business with Todd's companies and this is what I experienced:
-First Instance: I ordered a dozen .40 cal MP5 rifle kits and being we are literally on the same road (Greenfield Road) I thought I would be able to stop by and pick them up... I stopped in and they were not ready, so I came back a week or so later when they said they would be ready, a few weeks after this visit they were still not ready. Being that I paid in full for these kits and they were supposed to be the last of the Vector Arms kits this was worrying especially after reading all the stories on line about him. I kept on and finally got some rusty parts kits that were quite out of specs.
-Second Instance: I would have to say we were around 4-6 weeks late on another issue. Something seemed really fishy and strange comments were made by an employee of his.
- Last issue: I tried to get a lower parts kit to demo since he claims them superior to all. He was going to send one right out... More than a year later I still don't have it. I give up on it all.

In Summary, Todd bailey may be an actual engineer or not, I have no idea what is true there, but the quality of service was deplorable to say the least and after hearing nothing good from anyone anywhere about any of his companies and since the firearm industry for the most part makes a "no comment" approach with him since he will sue you for about anything from what it seems. I found online that he even sued HK back when they were suing for copyright infringement.

Want a good upper is gas piston go with POF or Adams Arms for top quality, or CMMG for the best bang for the buck!

Best Regards TL “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” ---Aristotle Greek critic, philosopher, physicist, & zoologist (384 BC - 322 BC)
3 years 20 weeks ago, 12:55 PM

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thanks for the info. I've decided to stay with D.I on another 5.56 I'm building because of the carrier tilt issues. I may go piston on a 7.62 but not sure. I will likely go with a LMT MWS, but still looking at POF, LWRC, and LaRue. We'll see, that won't be for a bit

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