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4 years 40 weeks ago, 8:59 AM

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I've read here and other places about people planning to live off the land if the world goes to hell. I think this is an idea that is useful for augmenting stocks of supplies, but is not something that should be planned for as the primary means of survival.

Any hunter knows most game animals change their habits during the hunting season because of pressure from hunters. While there are some families able to sustain themselves entirely through hunting, fishing, farming, and trapping, these families are a small part of the population. Most hunters out there do it for the sport or to augment their supermarket food, and most states have bag limits or possession limits on the different game animals.

Now imagine 300 million people under threat of starvation because the nation's producers are only providing livestock and crops for their families and local communities. I have read, although I certainly can't show evidence, that in the pipeline from producers to consumers' freezers, we have about a three day surplus of food in this country for every person. Even if this is true, that would be an average, and would obviously be less for those further down the pipeline (i.e. urban dwellers).

If you think about how difficult it can be to fill your deer tags every year, think about how much more difficult it will be when people are out in the woods and even cow pastures with any gun they have, taking as many animals as they can. The herds will be destroyed in a very short time.

Skills that allow you to live off the land are good skills to have in the event you are lost or stranded, but if you intend to be able to survive a complete social collapse, you should look more into long-term food storage now and use game animals as a way to augment your protein.

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4 years 40 weeks ago, 11:42 AM

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I agree with your argument. But as hunters we understand that ITS NOT EASY to hunt and be successful. lol, The game would actually get harder with the pressure being on the animals all year as they would always be on alert, but also, with the constant smell of humans around in the woods, it would mean that your scent wouldnt spook the deer as bad as it would now. Plus, secret fishing spots, good hidden ones can be a life saver, also squirrels. Bagillions of squirrels around, lol. My problem with prepping is that it requires money....and lots of it. and Im broke as a joke, dont make enough to save money, so prepping isnt an option for me and my wife, hopefully I get on with an agency ASAP so I can start to save money and not live week to week. Problem with growing our own crops is, that Monsanto owns right to all seeds produced, and they are all genetically modified(although super hard, you can find natural seeds sometimes) and they(monsanto) have modified them to die after the harvest, so you have to buy more from them. And they are saving the seeds that are resiliant to certain pesticides and not selling them. So when the SHTF, they will cropdust every state in order to kill off our own crops to make us come beg them for food and not continue to fight and survive on our own. Theres so many things to think about, I always try to talk to my family about this stuff and they tell me im crazy and that shits not gonna happen. And my wife says you have all these plans but no money to follow through with them....I say...I know :(

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4 years 40 weeks ago, 10:30 PM

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I've discussed it before, but the balance has to be drawn between having a life now and surviving later. If you just "know" the world is going tits up in 2012, then spending every available penny to build and stock your bunker or spaceship makes sense. But for those of us not blessed with the ability to see the future, we need to decide how much we can realistically devote to preparing while maintaining some standard of living now.

For you on a budget, it can be as simple as picking up a couple extra cans of beef or chicken stew every week or so. I priced tham at Wal-Mart and Best Choice beef stew in the 3 serving can costs just under 2 dollars, has a three-year shelf life, and has enough macronutrients (Fat, Protein, and Carbohydrates) that two cans per day can sustain you by themselves, not to mention augmenting whatever food you kill.

There is certainly a difference between not being willing to spend money to prepare and not having the money to spend. I certainly don't have the money to go and buy a 40 year supply Provident Pantry food from Sam's Club (29k dollars, shipped on multiple pallets, btw), so I do what I can to prepare and have a few different places scouted and planned for if and when looting becomes a viable option for me.

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4 years 40 weeks ago, 10:47 PM

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It is all goes Tit's up I've enough BB's and loaded up mags for the pop guns to fight our way where we need to rally up, or die trying...

The friends in my neighborhood all have seen action and I do not fear any of them bugging out on us. I also know they will not skirt doing what might have to be done when the time might arise for it to happen.

I can say one thing. Everyone who makes plans should have a clear understanding of who they are and what they are able to do. To not take on more than they can do because in the end it could cause more damage than admitting it and allowing another who can complete the mission as called upon. That is rather cryptic for some I m sure, but if you couldn't press the trigger than pulling security while everyone else sleeps is probably not the job for you to do on your own.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 40 weeks ago, 7:39 PM

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Pulling security isn't necessarily a job only for trigger pullers. If you can sound the alarm, you can let others pull the trigger.

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4 years 40 weeks ago, 8:10 PM

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True that Runs

But it brought to mind that someone who could not pull the trigger might hold back from sounding because of not wanting anyone to get dinked with their preconceived involvement.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 40 weeks ago, 9:22 PM

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The only people I will have any involvement with are those who want to be with me and can provide a service or useful skillset that can benefit the group. Only those who want to be there will be there, and punishments will be decided either by myself or majority vote, depending on how the group's governance will be conducted. I haven't decided on that yet.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
4 years 39 weeks ago, 1:08 AM

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SHTF scenario

I am assuming that the scenario listed above by the esteemed runawaygun leaves the population in tact, i.e. a totalitarian take over of the populace. If there was a war, there would be less people to feed and perhaps more food for the survivors.

But then again I am lacking on the clairvoyance as well, so my hypothesis is based off some hollywood fiction I once saw as a child...

clint

also builtfordtough, could you please cite your sources for the monsanto "conspiracy". I would like to learn more of this program.

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4 years 39 weeks ago, 3:17 PM

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Seeds and patents

http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/Pages/roundup-ready-patent-expiration....
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/business/18seed.html
http://www.organicconsumers.org/monsanto/chinapatent121701.cfm

This company is really a racket if you ask me.

But basically, they have patents on certain seeds for various crops. They rally go after people too. Say you have a Soy farm and the guy next to you uses their product for growing his and it crosses over into your crops.

You k=now own them whatever they come up with for the use or are sued for infringement and or theft. Then because they do not know how long it has been on your property they go back to the day the guy next door first planted.

People have been loosing their Farms all kinds of crap.

Almost as bad as the Bottled Water Industry and what it is doing....

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!

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