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4 years 13 weeks ago, 3:22 AM

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Marlin 30 30

hi im new here i was thinking of buying an ak47 but not sure i currently have 2 rifles and 2 shotguns marlin 22 marlin 30 30 lever action marlin gouse gun 12guage and winchester single shot 12 guage the 22 is my sons and 12 guages was my father and grandpas hand downs do you think this is enough protection things are going bad in usa with texas arizona and california and goverment not helping them there is a war going on in our back yard and goverment seems to be avoiding it im all the way in indiana and we have alot of imagrants to and we cant ask for info on them ?why i am worried we are possible being invaded by enemys and our cost line police are getting killed every day if i was smuggling drugs i wouldnt want to kill just get away from them less heat the better in the 3 states i have mentioned border patrols and cops are dying every day and alot i heard about 20,000 in last couple of years is this true is this war and with who on our borders and why hasnt goverment stepped in,mexican cartells and local gangs maybe but maybe not, we are in war with 2 countrys right now and half the world hates us texas arizona and california want out of the union why,IF I AM WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING PLEASE LET ME KNOW I HOPE I AM BUT I FEAR THAT OBAMMA IS NOT HELPING OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS BECAUSE HE WANTS VOTES AND THINKS THEY ARE ALL MEXICAN I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT MEXICANS THEY ARE AMERICANS MAKE THEM LEGAL AND MAKE THEM PAY TAXES BUT I DONT GET WHY DRUG SMUGLERS WOULD KILL SO MANY AND SHOOT UP CITY HALL IN ELPASSO TEXAS DRAW ATTENSION DOESNT SEEM LIKE DRUGS TO ME BUT MESSAGE THE 30 30 IS MY BEST WEAPON RIGHT NOW AND IM NOT SURE ITS ENOGH PLEASE COMMENT THE FACTS I HAVE GIVEN ARE UNFORTUNATLY TRUE

4 years 13 weeks ago, 3:44 AM

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first off,post a profile here.you are the type of guy who thinks like a good part of us do.on this site we are honest folks who honestly say who and what and where we are.we know everything is screwed six ways to sunday.I am a firm believer in the AK47.lotsa good builders.century arms for starters.just depends on how much ya wanna spend.I have owned an AR type rifle and didnt feel that I could depend on it like I can my AK firearms.AR types can be picky choosy about what ammo they will properly operate with.All of my AK type rifles and SKS rifles work just fine with whatever I place in the chamber be it steel case,handloads,milsurp or hunting type ammo.I cant say this for my AR rifle(DPMS Panther AR15A3 flat top with 20 inch heavy barrel).The AR is a more accurate rifle but is a inch and a half group at 100 yards a bad group?I think not.these are what my russian made SKS and my AK rifles do.I have AK's in both 7.62 x 39 and .223/5.56 x 45.They all shoot just over an inch group at 100 yards.The AR will shoot 3/4 inch at 100 yards.Can I protect my family with a less ammo picky AK at 100 yards?YOU BET!

4 years 13 weeks ago, 9:11 AM

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Gunslot. I would have to agree with Greasy Paws, I own two AR-15's and one AK-47 and hands down the AK is the ultimate weapon for dependability, it will shoot wet, full of dirt and mud, even after being run over (Iv'e seen it done). In a SHTF situation it would be my weapon of choice, if I was returning sniper fire I would definitely prefer the the AR.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:36 AM

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After reading your post, I think an AK would suit you just fine. I also nominate you for the longest sentence award. I wish you good luck, but don't think you need it because you've got the field beat pretty easy in this category.

Hamp- Returning sniper fire with an AK? Shizzz, give me a Ma Deuce!

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:45 AM

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unfortunately I don't own a Ma Deuce....lol

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 5:42 PM

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Just a thought Reaper,

if you do own a Ma Deuce or two (it wouldn't surprise me if you did), make me a deal on one so I can mount it on "lumpy", that would round out my 'urban assault vehicle' motif nicely!

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 4:55 PM

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Daniel

Welcome to Gunslot. Like Greasy said, you sound like a lot of the rest of us here.
Your Marlin .30-30 is a fine gun, and would be very effective. However:
An AK, shooting the 7.62x39, would probably be better.
With the AK, you can have several extra mags loaded and ready to use quickly. The .30-30 and 7.62x39 are similar rounds ballistically, so the advantage of more firepower is a serious consideration.
An SKS shooting 7.62x39 would give you no advantage over your Marlin, unless you have one that has been modified to take AK magazines. Be careful with this, because some of the aftermarket modifications don't work well at all.
Your 12 gauges are quite powerful, but single shots are just that - single shots. You might be well advised to buy a Remington 870, Mossberg 500, or Winchester 1300, 1200 or 120, in order to have more firepower. It's easy to modify the 870 or 500 to have a longer ammo tube.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 5:34 PM

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Welcome.
I believe you are right, it's going downhill and gaining speed.
The SKS has been one of my favorites since I bought it.
Pretty basic and very reliable. Cheap ammo.
I have no experience with AKs or ARs.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 6:48 PM

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i agree with ecaman

you have some fine "trading guns"in the shotgun department,between your 30-30 and a good 870 you can stock up on ammo next.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 7:03 AM

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Welcome danielwaltman

Welcome danielwaltman thinking of buying an ak47 huh, well be careful who you buy from. Do any search and you’ll quickly see to stay away from anything century arms makes, as well as Lancaster. Both builders have gone downhill in the last few years, century last 5 to 6 years. Your best bet pending on how much you want t6o spend is to find you either a Polytech or Norinco AK, there more on the high end side, but some of the best built and reliable. Yugoslavian are well made if you can get prebanned, only down side to them there barrels are not chrome lined. Stay away from Romanian AK’s in the last 4 years up until 09 when they stopped shipping everything dealers received was rejects or junk.
Top AK’s would be Russian, Galil, Valmet, Chinese, Bulgarian, Hungarian, Polish, E German, Yugoslavian, Egyptian,,,, etc.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 9:48 AM

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whats wrong with Lancaster? I love mine. Its really solid and i've never experienced any kind of failure. It shoots very tight groups too (for an AK). I've had it for about 2 years and put a few thousand rounds through it. I actually like it better than the Bulgarian

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:11 AM

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Lancaster has been in trouble for a while now, Bulgaria is a country that manufactor excellent ak's. Lancaster just assembles them and of late NOT TO GOOD.........little redneck there. I know numerous amounts of people who have had to or have tried to send there rifle's back because of shottie workmanship.

Problems with Lancaster rifles are STILL cropping up on the various AK message boards on a regular basis. Lancaster has apparently admitted that some of its barrels were out-of-spec, and that some of its rifles have problems. (If you merely call a rifle tearing itself apart in only a couple hundred rounds a “problem”. I call it a “disaster”.) One poster even claimed that his stainless steel barreled Lancaster rifle lasted only 120 rounds. ONLY 120 ROUNDS! Lancaster blamed it on the barrel supplier, which is funny, seeing as how Chet Durda once told me that Lancaster makes all of its own barrels. (You see Chet, this is what happens when you lie all the time. You start contradicting yourself all over the place.) Regardless, if you go to the AR15.com “AK Discussions” or the Akfiles.com board and do a search on “Lancaster”, you will find literally dozens of complaints about the low quality of Lancaster’s most recent rifles. If, after reading all those threads, you STILL want to own a Lancaster rifle, something is wrong with you.

Lancaster is STILL well-known for telling people “Your rifle will ship tomorrow, and we’ll email you a tracking number”, when they never ship it that next day nor provide a working tracking number. Hey Lancaster…are you guys TOTALLY and COMPLETELY incapable of telling the truth? Seriously, WTF?!? How hard is it to tell a customer, “It may take several weeks before we get to your rifle?” When you tell a customer “Your rifle is shipping tomorrow”, and they don’t have it a week later, how in the hell do you think that customer is going to react?!? Lancaster has become infamous for its inability to estimate repair and shipping times. (And yes, plenty of their rifles have needed repair lately.)

http://lancasterarmssucks.blogspot.com/2010/04/lancaster-arms-and-chet-d...

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:14 AM

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:30 AM

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Reaper this is just one of the boards I'm a member of and the complaints about lancaster. And by the way I have several lancaster's and have never had a problem...bought 3 years ago.

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65868&highlight=lancaster

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:43 AM

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I'm searching the subject right now. If all this is true, things must have gone down hill fast because I swear by the stuff they have been putting out in the past.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:53 AM

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Reaper308 wrote:
I'm searching the subject right now. If all this is true, things must have gone down hill fast because I swear by the stuff they have been putting out in the past.

And me as well, Love my ak's built by them, great quality, but for the past two years not so.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:38 AM

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I'll do some research myself, but you can find people talking smack about almost every manufacturer out there. Sounds like this guy who wrote the blog is a nancy pants to me.... here's why. He's wrong on several accounts, at least with my personal experience.

1. I'm familiar with the guys at Lancaster because I see them at all the local gun shows. I called Lancaster directly to order a AKM 3060. They said it would take up to 30 days to build it custom for me. When it was ready, I could come and pick it up since they're local. They never told me that it would ship the "next day". They also said that they had a large batch of already assembled 3060's that were getting ready to go for a gov't contract. They told me that I could come down that day and buy one if I didn't want anything customized on the one that I was going to order. It was on a weekend and they stayed open an hour late for me to drive across town to pick it up. When I was there, they took me through their manufacturing and assembly process in the plant. Very good customer service if you ask me.

2. I paid with a credit card.... so I don't know what this guy is talking about. He should get his facts straight before he bashes a company.

3. As I said above, I've been very happy with my rifle. It shoots tighter groups that any AK I’ve ever owned or shot. I've put a few thousand rounds through it with no malfunctions. It eats anything I feed it. Its been nothing but solid and reliable so far. I'm not just saying this because I own one... I've owned quite a few AK's and I really do think they put out a good product. (unless things have drastically changed over the past year)

If someone has good reason to talk about the poor craftsmanship and quality of a product, than I have no problem with it. It just sounds like the guy that wrote this particular blog, had a bone to pick with Chet. I come across stuff like this all the time. I will do some more research myself... but from my experience, Lancaster has been great. I also know of two large retail stores who sell Lancaster and swear by them, and these guys won't touch anything that has questionable quality and reliability. Lancaster also has a lifetime warranty. Just my 78 cents worth...

P.S

Here is Pkato's Lancaster experience. He also mentions trying to pay with a credit card, but coundn't because of problems on his end. He was pleased overall

http://www.gunslot.com/forum/lancaster-arms

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 11:14 AM

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[quote=Reaper308]I'll do some research myself, but you can find people talking smack about almost every manufacturer out there. Sounds like this guy who wrote the blog is a nancy pants to me.... here's why. He's wrong on several accounts, at least with my personal experience.quote]

And he very well could be . I posted because this is just one of many who now are complianing about there service and quality.
Go to the ak files one many of those are people I know who much like you at one time thought highly of lancaster as I did as well. Stevie73 and 5.45x39 are not friends. the others are and some that didn't post on that day have had problems with their lancasters.

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