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Military Losses

I had some formating trouble with this. I could not preview it properly. I hope it works:

This report was sent to me by a friend via email and I do not know the original writer, but I have verified the statistics at the URL below and they are accurate. Are you surprised when you look at these figures? They indicate the loss from the two latest Middle East conflicts are less than the loss of military personnel during Clinton 's presidency when America wasn't even involved in a war--unless you include Bosnia and Mogadishu, Somalia. (Remember "Blackhawk Down"?) Even more surprising is that in 1980, during Carter presidency, there were 2,392 U.S. military fatalities!

These figures appear to indicate many members of our media and politicians pick and choose the information on which they report--that they present only those "facts" that support their agenda.

Consider the latest census of Americans. It shows the following distribution of American citizens by race:

Military Losses, 1980-2007

Whatever your politics, however you lean and however you feel about the current administration, this report is interesting.

As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed Forces is, consider the below statistics:

The annual fatalities, by any cause, of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:

1980 2,392 (Carter)
1981 2,380 (Reagan)
1984 1,999 (Reagan)
1988 1,819 (Reagan)
1989 1,636 (George H W)
1990 1,508 (George H W)
1991 1,787 (George H W)
1992 1,293 (George H W)
1993 1,213 (Clinton)
1994 1,075 (Clinton)
1995 2,465 (Clinton)
1996 2,318 (Clinton)
1997 817 (Clinton)
1998 2,252 (Clinton)
1999 1,984 (Clinton)
2000 1,983 (Clinton)
2001 890 (George W)
2002 1,007 (George W)
2003 1,410 (George W)
2004 1,887 (George W)
2005 919 (George W)
2006 920 (George W)
2007 899 (George W)

Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,107 deaths
George W years (2001-2007): 7,932 deaths

European descent . . 69.12 percent
Hispanic . . . .. . .12.50 percent
Black . . . . . . . .12.30 percent
Asian . . . . . . . .3.70 percent
Native American . . ..1.00 percent
Other . . . . . . . . 2.60 percent

Many members of the media lead us to believe the military death ratio is off balance compared to the distribution by race in America. Here are the fatalities by race over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom.

European descent . . . .74.31 percent
Hispanic . . . . . . . 10.74 percent
Black . . . . . . . . . 9.67 percent
Asian . . . . . . . . . 1.81 percent
Native American . . . . .1.09 percent
Other . . . . . . . . . 0.33 percent

Surprised again?
Hopefully, intelligent Americans can decipher--

The facts from the spin.
The spinners from the leaders.
Those who seek even more power from those that seek justice.
The dividers from the uniters.

These statistics are published by the Congressional Research Service and may be confirmed at: Congressional Research Services

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6 years 1 week ago, 12:32 PM

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i blame the democrats!

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6 years 1 week ago, 2:13 PM

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When Clinton was in office, I got to do some shooting with some US Marines that were still in. They told me, almost all of they gear was not working right and they had not way to fix them. One Marine told me that the safeties for they M203's don't work and they had to put a pin in it so it would. But, Clinton was still sending them off to get killed with gear that he know was not working, shows how much of a trader he really is.

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6 years 1 week ago, 2:19 PM

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A cousin of myne said similiar things about the Army when he was in Bosnia.

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6 years 1 week ago, 9:50 PM

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i have always hated clintonm and it just sickens me to think anyone could have done that to another American, particularly are brave solders who have volunteered to defend the freedoms we all enjoy

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6 years 1 week ago, 9:52 PM

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I blame all Americans...

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6 years 1 week ago, 9:53 PM

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6 years 1 week ago, 10:04 PM

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was a disgrace. He balanced the budget by cutting the funding to the military. There were several fully functioning military bases closed due to this jackoff. These were not bases that we didn't need. These were strategically placed in our country to defend her incase of attack, and he closed them. I am not surprised that other countries think of us a weakened. We are! The military still doesn't have all that it needs to properly protect us. Our fighting men and women are the greatest in the world. The best trained, the most skilled fighters out there, but they still don't have everything that they need to get the job done right and that was terribly obvious when Clinton was in charge. When Obama take the helm, we are gonna see this again. He is a liberal pussy who will drive our military into the ground just like Clinton did.

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6 years 1 week ago, 10:07 PM

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You bet your ass

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6 years 1 week ago, 10:07 PM

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you guys will say anything with out proper facts and figures.
try doing some research, if you can!

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6 years 1 week ago, 11:31 PM

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if you are gonna badger people about facts and figures why dont you get of your collective ass and post something other than posting about some titties.it really seems that you have no issue berating myself and or other members here about our posts and your arguments are backed by ignorance to the subject being discussed.as for getting out and voting,you werent on here during the last few months leading up to the election and some of the heated discussions with proven facts and figures that some of us were posting.i firmly believe that "we"Gunslot members,at least all the regulars all went out and voted,good,bad and indifferent.did you get off your ass and vote?if you did great,if not keep your liberal blather to yourself.he/she who didnt get off their ass and vote has no right to bitch or berate others for their political beliefs.political beliefs are null and void if you didnt vote!

6 years 1 week ago, 3:02 AM

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States on it's website:
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CRS is committed to supporting an informed national legislature — by developing creative approaches to policy analysis, anticipating legislative needs and responding to specific requests from legislators in a timely manner. With a rigorous adherence to our key values, CRS provides analysis that is authoritative, confidential, objective and nonpartisan.

On the surface it appears credible.

However, assuming I could dispute these numbers, I went looking:
First I found this, from Murdoc online:
Take a look at the actual US Military Casualty figures since 1980. If you do the math, you wil find quite a few surpises. First of all, let’s compare numbers of US Military personnel that died during the first term of the last four presidents.

All Causes:
George W. Bush . . . . . 5187 (2001-2004)
Bill Clinton . . . . . . . . . 4302 (1993-1996)
George H.W. Bush . . . . 6223 (1989-1992)
Ronald Reagan . . . . . . 9163 (1981-1984)
Even during the (per MSM) utopic peacetime of Bill Clinton’s term, we lost 4302 service personnel. H.W. Bush and Reagan actually lost significantly more personnel while never fighting an extensive war, much less a simulaltaneous war on two theaters (Iraq and Afghanistan). Even the dovish Carter lost more people duing his last year in office, in 1980 lost 2392, than W. has lost in any single year of his presidency. (2005 figures are not available but I would wager the numbers would be slightly higher than 2004.)

The author is a registered Republican:
http://www.murdoconline.net/about-murdoc-online
http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/003564.html
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Another aricle with facts from CRS
VERY Surprising Military Death Statistics, 1980 - 2007
Congressional Research Reports (Extracted ) ^

Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:08:48 PM by InfantryMarine

Military Death Numbers compiled by a friend from DOD reports.

Below is some very interesting data reference deaths in the military. I guarantee you will not read this in your local newspaper nor will you see it on the daily news broadcast. I pray this will help you to enlighten folks around you to the brave and courageous young people serving in our military.

Deaths in the Military

1980 .......... 2,392

1981 .......... 2,380

1982 ......... 2,318

1983 .......... 2,465

1984 .......... 1,999

1985 .......... 2,252

1986 .......... 1,984

1987 .......... 1,983

1988 ......... 1,819

1989 .......... 1,636

1990 .......... 1,508

1991 .......... 1,787

1992 .......... 1,293

1993 .......... 1,213

1994 ......... 1,075

1995 .......... 1,040

1996 .......... 974

1997 .......... 817

1998 .......... 826

1999 .......... 795

2000 ......... 774

2001 .......... 890

2002 .......... 1,007

2003 .......... 1,410 [534*]

2004 .......... 1,887 [900*]

2005 .......... [919*]

2006 .......... [920*]

Figures so noted with an asterisk (*) indicates deaths as a result of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom.

You may initially feel confused when you look at these figures - especially when you see that in 1980, during the term of President Jimmy Carter,there were 2,392 US military fatalities. What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal politicians pick and choose and tend to present only those facts that support their agenda driven reporting.

Another fact our left media and politicians like to slant is that these brave men and women losing their lives are minorities.

Wrong again.

The latest census shows the following:

European descent (white).........69.12%

Hispanic.........................12.5%

African American.................12.3%

Asian.............................3.7%

Native American...................1.0%

Other.............................2.6%

The fatalities over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom are:

European descent (white)........ 74.31%

Hispanic.........................10.74%

African American..................9.67%

Asian.............................1.81%

Native American...................1.09%

Other.............................2.33%

Source:

These statistics are published by DOD and may be viewed at:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

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One other thing I would like to add...let's not fool ourselves, WAR is a very ugly thing and I do believe that most who have experienced it will agree with that statement. We cannot forget those who were injured in the past 6 years either...during the other administrations, there were definitely not as many Armed Forces Members injured and especially seriously injured and maimed.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1920490/posts
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Based on the length of this WAR, it is actually truly amazing that we have lost just approximately 4300 soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen...think about the numbers in Korea and Vietnam, those wars are staggering in contrast.
Korea: 36, 516 killed (Combat:33,746), Wounded: 103,284, Missing: 8177
Vietnam 1957-1973: 58,209 killed (combat:47,424), Wounded: 153,303, Missing: 2489

Gulf War 1990-1991: 299 killed (Combat:199), Wounded: 467, Missing: 1
Somalia 1992-1993: 43 killed (Combat:29), Wounded: 153, Missing: 0
Afghanistan 2001-Present: 629 killed (Combat:415), Wounded:3,008, Missing:0
Iraq 2003-Present: 4,209+ killed (Combat:3,669), Wounded: 48,202, Missing: 1

Rank War Years Deaths Deaths per Day Deaths per Population
1 American Civil War 1861–1865 625,000 599 1.988% (1860)
2 World War II 1941–1945 405,399 416 0.307% (1940)
3 World War I 1917–1918 116,516 279 0.110% (1920)
4 Vietnam War 1964–1973 58,151 26 0.003% (1970)
5 Korean War 1950–1953 36,516 45 0.002% (1950)
6 American Revolutionary War 1775–1783 25,000 11 0.899% (1780)
7 War of 1812 1812–1815 20,000 31 0.345% (1810)
8 Mexican–American War 1846–1848 13,283 29 0.057% (1850)
9 Iraq War 2003–present 4,209 2.17 0.001% (2007)
10 Philippine–American War 1899–1902 4,196 5 0.006% (1900)

Rank War Years Deaths
1 World War II 1941–1945 291,557
2 American Civil War 1861–1865 212,938
3 World War I 1917–1918 53,402
4 Vietnam War 1964–1973 47,355
5 Korean War 1950–1953 33,746
6 American Revolutionary War 1775–1783 8,000
7 Iraq War 2003–present
2085 days 3,669 (as of 05 December, 2008)
8 War of 1812 1812–1815 2,260
9 Mexican–American War 1846–1848 1,733
10 Philippine–American War 1898–1902 1,020

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Rank War Years Deaths Deaths per Day Deaths per Population
1 American Civil War 1861–1865 625,000 599 1.988% (1860)
2 World War II 1941–1945 405,399 416 0.307% (1940)
3 World War I 1917–1918 116,516 279 0.110% (1920)
4 Vietnam War 1964–1973 58,151 26 0.003% (1970)
5 Korean War 1950–1953 36,516 45 0.002% (1950)
6 American Revolutionary War 1775–1783 25,000 11 0.899% (1780)
7 War of 1812 1812–1815 20,000 31 0.345% (1810)
8 Mexican–American War 1846–1848 13,283 29 0.057% (1850)
9 Iraq War 2003–present 4,209 2.17 0.001% (2007)
10 Philippine–American War 1899–1902 4,196 5 0.006% (1900)

All this from Wikipedia

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6 years 1 week ago, 3:11 AM

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I always thought CRS stood for cant remember shit

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6 years 1 week ago, 3:25 AM

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Very interesting facts Pkato. I don't know there was 1,984 deaths in 1986 when I was in the Marine's. I do remember the 3 Marine's that were killed at Camp LeJeune the summer of 1986 when I was there.

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6 years 1 week ago, 3:35 AM

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May God bless the families of everyone of those service members for whom there is a number for

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6 years 1 week ago, 3:54 AM

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On another note

One must make sure there is not a mix of stats with those above...i.e., non-combat deaths not being inlcuded, which by looking at the Bush year stats, could be the case. It seems unusual that less than 1000 were lost in two of those years, but more in non-war years. Although, with many deployed, less chance for non-combat deaths back home, where they can drink, drive, etc, etc..

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