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5 years 28 weeks ago, 4:11 PM

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I'm interested in seeing what the side arms looked like from WW2(Army), Korean war (Air Force), and Dessert Storm (Army). Please list make,model, and cal. if you can (pics are optional). The reason I'm wanting to know is I wanna buy a few things to collect sometime and I'd like to have a "part" of what my grandpa, great grandpa, and friend carried with them when they were deployed for war. Thanks :D

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 10:59 PM

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sidearms are easy to help with. In WW2 and Korea, the model 1911A1 .45 ACP and in Desert Storm, most used the M9 9mm, though some reserve units still had the 1911A1. There was a period in which female military police and investigators were issued Smith & Wesson model 10 revolvers in 2 and 4 inch barrels, but I don't know what years they were adopted and discontinued

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 9:28 AM

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thanks for the help. i guess ive got alot of saving to do for them 1911s lol..

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 7:12 PM

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now there's a bunch of everything. M9's, M23's, G17's (I think 19's too), sigs, S&W's etc... just about every branch and carries something different

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 5:12 AM

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The S7W model 10 was also a issue item to Army aviators in the RVN. FYI, many personnel carried their own sidearms with them.

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 8:51 AM

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Navy WW II pilots, also, one of the most famous having been:

President George H.W. Bush

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 8:57 AM

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I still haven't seen

any Glock 17s in military issue. Not saying they aren't there somewhere, but I've never seen them. The only issue Glocks I'm aware of are the hundreds of thousands of Glock 19s that we American taxpayers have so generously donated to the Iraqi Police, and by association, the insurgent movement in Iraq. Warner, if you are trying to stya period-correct, GI issue 1911A1s are not very expensive, unless you're trying to get a WW2 Singer-made pistol. My recommendation, and of course it's just mine, is if you can't find a decently-priced real deal pistol, Springfield Armory make a GI 1911A1 built exactly like the issue weapons. They're not nearly as expensive as some of the other 45s out there.

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5 years 27 weeks ago, 2:11 AM

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haha runawaygun

i may just donate my g19 for a g23 lol.

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5 years 27 weeks ago, 10:15 AM

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but maybe Marvin & Quinton will forgive me.

My favorites were the 57mm recoiless rifle and the quad 50 cal mount The only problem was-- carrying those suckers was really a ball buster. On the other hand, with the firepower of those weapons, you could really kick some serious ass.

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5 years 27 weeks ago, 10:22 AM

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in reading and studying about various kinds of weapons I've often come across what seem to me to be unusual sizes in calibers for some weapons. the 57mm is one, and btw, that was the same size cannon that was put on the Tse Tse variant of the deHaviland Mosquito for the British in ww2, and there was also the German 37mm autocannon on the ME 262 and a few others, then there is a fairly standarized version of an anti aircraft gun that is in 23 mm and the late war versions of the sherman tank that were "up gunned from 75 mm to 76 mm. could you explain why these seemingly non standard sizes became standardized?

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5 years 27 weeks ago, 1:05 PM

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based on my own experience and observation--for example:
I worked on a WWII system that directed 90mm AAA guns with a Tracking Radar and analog computer. This is the system that saved the Anzio beachhead, and destroyed the Luftwaffe's last resources[98% kill ratio]. Then the[postwar]Army had intelligence that the Russians were developing high altitude, heavy bombers [carbon copies of our B-29]. So, they up-gunned the AAA system with 120mm's, until the Nike Ajax SAM system could be developed and deployed.[The aerodynamic missiles like the BOMARC, were not very effective, and clumsy to deploy].
The point, here, is they needed a projectile that could outdo the 90mm in slant range capability [altitude], but they knew they would also soon need a weapon system that could outdo the 120mm, not just in slant range but also in accuracy, against a sure knowledge of jet bombers to come.

So when we look at other such changes, I believe the major concern was to improve the weaponology, against new threats, or to fix failures. The change for the Sherman, to the 76mm, was almost entirely a creature of wanting a higher velocity better penetrator against the German Tigers. Incidentally, as I remember the story, it was a British designed round.
In conventional weapons terms, everyone seemed to follow the lead of the Bofors Company, whether it was AA or antitank. So if you wanted a better mousetrap for low flying strafers or fast moving light tanks, you would go from quad 50 cal to 20mm to 37mm/40mm, as an example, based on your expected combat problem. The 57mm, 75mm and 105mm recoilless rifles were creatures of the need for more accurate and longer range infantry field support weapons. I found the 57 a lot more accurate than any Bazooka available in the same time frame. How they settled on 57mm, I can only guess: It had to be a good penetrator round and the weapon had to be able to be fired from the shoulder, so maybe from the human engineering standpoint, 57mm was the biggest possible round, when the were experimenting.
Hope this was not too boring.

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5 years 27 weeks ago, 1:06 PM

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we thank you very much for this very interesting information. no, it was not boring at all. the only thing is, we have read that the 57mm auto cannon on the tse tse maritime version of the british Mosquito was the largest cannon ever on any world war 2 warplane, however there is some evidence to support that there were a few specially modified B 17s that fought against the U-boat threat in the atlantic theatre of the war that were in fact equipped with the same high velocity 76mm gun the brits made to replace the short barreled lower velocity standard cannon of the sherman tank. do you know anything about this ka

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5 years 27 weeks ago, 4:54 PM

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But I believe the airframe could have accomodated such an installation. My guess is however, more than likely it was a variant of the 75mm recoilless rifle, so as not to stress the airframe. This is a similar design idea to the 105mm howitzer in the C-130.
Actually, the B-24 would have been a better platform because of the higher wing, but it was not as stabile a flyer as the B-17. I think both aircraft were used against the U-boats.

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5 years 27 weeks ago, 5:06 PM

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both the B 17 and little bit later the B 24 were use in the atlantic war against the U-boats. this was a life and death struggle to keep the convoys safe and moving on to the UK. but as we understand it it was the B 17 that was supposedly mounted with the 76mm, but there was no citation or reference to this so it cannot be verify as yet. we are looking further into this and we will get back to you with what we find. since there was no citation then for the moment we must assume that the Tse Tse Mosquito arm with the 57 mm auto cannon was the largest cannon mount on any allied warplane in the war. btw, this was an auto cannon and not a recoilless rifle. about the 76mm we do not know if it was a recoilless rifle or a cannon or a auto cannon. for the moment, without any reference to cite for this from that source we cannot assume anything neh.

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5 years 27 weeks ago, 3:21 AM

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Richard A. Freeman. He is considered one of the most knowledgable about the B-17 in various configurations.
Also, it may be that the 76mm was an experiment that failed, and never was implemented in combat.

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5 years 27 weeks ago, 4:12 AM

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76 mm

Little Dragon, This is what I found on the 76mm.

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Otobreda 76 mm

Type Naval gun
Place of origin Italy
Service history
In service 1964 - present
Used by See users
Production history
Designer Oto Melara
Designed Compact: 1963
Super Rapid: 1985
Manufacturer Oto Melara (1963–2001)
OtoBreda (2001 onwards)
Produced Compact: 1964
Super Rapid: 1988
Variants See variants
Specifications
Weight 7500 kg (without ammunition)
12.34 kg (complete round)

Shell 76 mm × 900mm (complete round)
Caliber 62 caliber 76 mm
Elevation -15°/+85°
speed:35°/s (acceleration: 72°/s²)
Traverse 360°
speed: 60°/s (acceleration: 72°/s²)
Rate of fire Compact: 85 round/min
Super Rapid: 120 round/min
Muzzle velocity 925 m/s
Maximum range Compact: 20,000 m (HE round at 45°)
Super Rapid: 30,000 m (HE round at 45°)
Feed system Magazine:
Compact: 80 ready rounds on gun mount
Super Rapid: 85 ready rounds on gun mount

The Otobreda 76 mm gun is a widely used naval artillery piece built by the Italian company Otobreda. A vehicle-mounted version known as the Otomatic was built for the SPAAG role, although this was not put into production.

It is capable of very high rates of fire, making it suitable for short-range anti-missile point defence. Its calibre also gives it abilities for anti-aircraft, anti-surface and ground shelling. Specialised ammunition is available for armour piercing, incendiary and directed fragmentation. A new stealth cupola has been designed in recent years.

The system is compact enough to be installed on relatively small warships, like corvettes, avisos, or patrol boats. It is a successful matériel in export, in use in 53 navies.

It has recently been favoured over the French 100 mm naval gun for the new Horizon CNGF frigates.

On 27 September 2006 Iran announced it has started mass production of a marine artillery gun, named the Fajr-27, which is a reverse-engineered Oto Melara 76 mm gun.
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76 mm gun M1

The 76 mm M1 Gun was an American Forces World War II-era tank gun, which replaced the 75 mm gun on late Medium tank M4s, and was equipped on all 76 mm Gun Motor Carriage M18 tank destroyers. Developmentally, it was a new gun with breech similar to that of the 75 mm M3 Gun. It fired the same shell as the 3-inch (76 mm) gun of the 3in Gun Motor Carriage M10 tank destroyer, but in a different case. The gun received a muzzle brake and faster rifle twist during production.

A M18 Hellcat armed with a 76 mm gunWhile the 76 mm had less High Explosive (HE) and smoke performance than the 75 mm, the higher-velocity 76 mm gave better anti-tank performance, with firepower comparable to the Soviet ZiS-S-5 85 mm gun of the T-34-85[citation needed] and many of the armoured fighting vehicles it encountered, particularly the Panzer IV and StuG vehicles.

From 1943, at the instigation of the head of the Armored force General Jacob Devers, US Ordnance worked on a towed anti-tank gun based on the barrel of the M1, known as 76 mm gun T2 on carriage T3. Later interest in the project declined and in 1945 the program was officially cancelled.

5 years 27 weeks ago, 7:11 AM

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Thank you..........

The original question was whether a 76mm gun was ever mounted on a B-17 Flying Fortress during WW II.

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5 years 26 weeks ago, 1:56 PM

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WWII Pistols &Korea
American
1.M1911A1
2.M1917 Revolver
3.Smith&Wesson "Victory"Revolver

German
1.Mauser C96 (Red 9)
2.Luger
3.Walther P38,PP,PPK
4.Sauer 38H
5. Mauser HSc

Russia

1.Tokearov TT
2.Nagant M1895

Desert Storm

1.M9-Beretta M92
2.M1911A1(Limited)

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