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3 years 50 weeks ago, 4:20 PM

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Mini 14 & M-14?

Did Ruger base the Mini 14 on Springfields M-14? How similair or different are they in design? Anybody have a real M-14?

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 4:48 PM

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I think in reality both weapons are based on the M1 Garand but were separately designed.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 9:22 PM

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M1 Garand....

From everything I have found it is designed off of the Garand...

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Military Factory > Infantry Weapons > Ruger Mini-14 Automatic Rifle
Ruger Mini-14 Automatic Rifle
The Ruger Mini-14 is a mechanical copy of the WWII-Era M1 Garand.
Authored By Staff Writer | Last Updated: 1/25/2010
"The Ruger Mini-14 is based on the successful World War Two M1 Garand infantry rifle. In fact, most of the inner workings of the Mini-14 are mechanically the same as that of its predecessor with the exception that the Mini-14 uses the 5.56mm ammunition cartridge, which ballistically causes less recoil and allows the weapon to be more accurate."

Dunno about the claim of being "more accurate" than a WWII era Garand...

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3 years 49 weeks ago, 6:07 PM

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Good info

I have a Garand and M-14, and have shot and cleaned a Mini-14. Their parts are essentially the same (trigger mechanism is almost exactly the same on both, if a bit shorter).

But the Garand is a hell of a lot more accurate. I don't know what that guy was smoking.

3 years 49 weeks ago, 10:48 AM

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The guy should have said that less recoil could make the SHOOTER more accurate. The recoil doesn't really make the inherent accuracy of the rifle change, but for an inexperienced marksman, it could make the PERSON more accurate because it may have less perceived kick etc...

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 5:25 PM

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M vs M

I have two mini's and one of their brother AC556. I'm not going to rag on them but as far as accuracy, they aren't up to the M-14 & their brother's standards.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 9:29 PM

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AC556

One of my best friends is a collector who has many desirable, rare, black powder through class 3 weapons and his AC556 is one of the keepers in his own words. I'm still waiting for him to let me shoot it, that and the MG"It's Bark is worse than it's bite"42.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 6:34 PM

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I have a mini-14

circa 1985 and i love it,light weight,runs like a champ,good looking,it likes to be oiled up,but i have shot the shit out of it and killed 12 deer with it as well over the years,tack driving accuracy?hell if i know it's a plinker and fun rifle.I only wish the Mini-14 had the same magwell as an AR,so it could accept AR magazines,some mini-14 magazines(aftermarket) don't work worth a damn and Ruger mags are $$$,I have seen more makers(Tapco) jump on the mini-14 ploymer magazine bandwagon though,that should drive the price of a Ruger mag down a bit>

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 7:41 PM

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Mini

lbc has a good point about the mags. About 6 years ago when I bought the AC, I looked for factory hi-caps and couldn't find any at any price on GB or ShotGun News. Aftermarket ones were of poor quality. Things changed a few years ago when the ban expired. I found and bought a ton of 20 & 30 rnd of them. Check around & you should be able to find Ruger mags. If not send me a PM & I'll look into where I bought them.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 9:25 PM

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now i have

20-30-and 40 round mags for my mini-14,the 40s work very well,i have seen 75 round drum mags for the mini as well,that ought to heat things up.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 10:47 PM

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Both the 14 and 30

I have both the mini 14 and 30 and they are fine rifles and my father has the M1A(M14).

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 12:32 PM

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I own a mini-14 and love it so this caught my attention. I looked around and found an article on a website that I will post now. I am not sure which one is right, whether the prior one on here saying it was designed around the garand or this one saying the M14 but I thought this would be good to add to the discussion.....world.guns.ru/assault/usa/ruger-ac-556-mini-14gb-e.html is the website and the excerpt is......

Bill Ruger, one of leading US arms designers of post-WW2 period, begandevelopment of a new semi-automatic rifle circa 1970. The rifle was intended foreither civilian and para-military use; it was patterned after current US issue military rifle, the M14, and was chambered forrelatively new 5,56x45mm (.223 Remington) ammunition. Since its commercial introduction in 1973 the Ruger Mini-14 rifle found wide acceptance among bothcivilian shooters and a variety of police and security forces around the world.For government users, Ruger produced two specialized versions of the basic rifle- the Mini-14GB and AC-556. The former is still a semi-automatic only weapon,but is fitted with protected front sight, flash-hider and a bayonet lug. Thelatter is a selective-fired weapon, and thus can be classified as a true assault rifle. All weapons in the Mini-14 family share same basic design, although thereare differences in certain parts; for example, AC-556 rifles had slightly longer receiver, which hosts the fire mode switch at its rear part.
The first major modification to the Mini-14 family appeared in 1978, when Ruger introduced an all-stainless version of the basic rifle. Until now, all Ruger Mini-14 rifles are available either in carbon or stainless steel versions. In around 1982 Ruger introduced its next civilian modification of the Mini-14,known as the "Ranch" rifle. This version was optimized for use with telescope sight, and thus was produced with integral scope bases on receiver.Ejection mechanism was changed to eject spent cases to the right side, clear of the scope, and rear sight was fitted on the folding base. In 1986, Ruger introduced a Mini-30 rifle, which was same basic weapon but adapted to 7,62x39M43 ammunition of Russian origin. The last change in the Mini-14 line-up appeared as late as in 2005, when Ruger company introduced a new version of theMini-14, which incorporated integral scope bases of the earlier"Ranch" rifles with protected front sight and non-folding diopter rear sight, which has smaller mount that of previous rifles.
In general, Mini-14 rifles are known for their good reliability and durability.Accuracy is usually quoted as somewhat inferior to AR-15(M16)-type weapons, which are very popular in USA; however, Mini-14 rifles are accurate enough for most purposes, and are excellent weapons for hunting,home defense, and general plinking.
Ruger Mini-14 is gas operated, semi-automatic only weapon which uses Garand-typerotary bolt with two lugs. Action is operated by the long-stroke gas piston,which is located below the barrel and is concealed within forend of the stock.The gas piston has cup-shaped head, and is linked to the bolt via Garand-typeoperating rod which runs at the right side of the weapon. Manual safety also patterned after M1 Garand or M14 rifle, and is located at the front of the triggerguard. The selective-fire AC-556 hosts fire mode selection mechanism at the rear of the somewhat lengthened receiver. Fire mode selector is a separate switch on the right side of receiver,behind the ejection port. It has three positions - for single shots, 3-round bursts and full automatic fire.
Standard stock of the Mini-14 is of single-piece type, with semi-pistol grip and separate heat shiled above the barrel. Early Mini-14 rifles had wooden heatshiled which exposed operating rod; military-type Mini-14GB and AC-556 rifles, as well as current production civilian guns, feature polymer heatshields which over most of the operating rod. Over the time, Ruger also produced a folding-stock versions with wooden stock, plastic pistol grip and side-folding metallic shoulder stock. Ruger also makes "all-weather" polymer stocks for Mini-14 and Mini-30 rifles. It also must be noted that there are manyaftermarket stocks for Mini-14 rifles.
Standard sights consist of a blade-type front and adjustable diopter-type rear sight; "Ranch" type rifles also had integral scope mounts on the receiver, which will accept proprietary Ruger scope rings.
Original magazine capacities for Mini-14 rifles were 10 or 20 rounds, but since infamous American "Assault weapons ban" of 1994 Ruger offered civilian Mini-14 rifles with magazines containing only 5 rounds; however, some magazine makers produced after market magazines for Mini-14 and Mini-30 in capacities ofup to 40 (box) and 90 (snail-drum) rounds.

3 years 50 weeks ago, 12:36 PM

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I think both rifles (the mini-14 and M-14) were based on the M1 Garand. The systems are all very similar in operation and design because it is a very effective system.

3 years 49 weeks ago, 2:46 PM

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AC556

One of the luckiest decissions I made when buying it years ago was to choose a factory AC. There are many full auto firearms that are legal conversions of semi pieces. The big difference (at least with the mini) is that a conversion doesn't have the 3 shot burst mode. It was about $300 cheaper but I passed on it. Glad I did - I now realize that the 3 shot is an important feature to me..

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3 years 49 weeks ago, 2:17 PM

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ruger ranch rifle

I have a mini 145 that I purchased from a good friend and it is fairly accurate, although, not as accurate as another friend's car-15. I like it though, & just wish I could afford to soot it more.

3 years 49 weeks ago, 8:48 AM

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Thanks for the info

They just look so much alike I wasn't sure!

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