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7 years 31 weeks ago, 12:38 AM

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This time in Albany GA, A group of mentally challenged individuals were taken by Primus Industries without family authorization to the polls where one man jack Justice was allegedly made by one of the Primus employees to vote against his will for Barrack O'bama. Action against the employee has not yet been taken.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 11:09 AM

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today I read an article about an absentee ballot being sent out to a dead goldfish...what state???

Illinois!

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 11:13 AM

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Here's the link

It's on Fox News...so I am sure some will doubt it, but the link is here for good/bad/indifferent:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/21/dead-goldfish-offered-vote-illinois

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 11:22 AM

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Where is the link for the mentally ill and abused voters?

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 12:46 PM

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i see dead peepoll

they had something on the news t6hat some dead guy that died like ten years ago regestierd to vote

its better to burn out than fade away
7 years 31 weeks ago, 2:08 PM

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This is the link for the mentally challenged
http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/10/17/mentally-challenged-man-says-his...

If you want up to date campaign info you can find it also on this site for eigther candidate.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 2:38 PM

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This is one of the most corrupt Democratic controlled cities in the US. Illinois is also very corrupt and nearly bankrupt, thanks to Obama, Daley, Ayres, et al... They are rigging this election through ACORN which Obama & Ayres sat on their board. ACORN is also under investigation for forcing Fannie Mae & Freddie mac to make these scurrilous loans to people who had no way to pay them back. More reparations for the poor downtrodden black man... I didn't see the Japanes/Americans get all their property back after WWII. Nor the American Indians, that we stole this country from. But a few hundred thousand slaves are owed what? If you don't like it here, try living in Africa for awhile. Don't even think of calling me a racist, because I only dare to speak the truth here.
Obamas two Religions are way more racist than I am. Jeremiah Wright and The Muslims. Read info on either one. I have read the Quoran/Koran and enough of Wrights verbal bile to make me sick. We should be very wary of anyone with these ties!

7 years 31 weeks ago, 3:24 PM

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The last two presidential elections had some shenanigans at the polls that were perpetrated by the right - and all we heard were how the left was "whinning", "whimps", and "sore losers". I think that should be remembered, especially now, so those who are offended by it - now - like It was back then, realize it is an issue that affects us ALL as Americans, and that tolerating this kind of behavior for political expediency is very un-American. Since both sides engage in this stuff I believe it evens out, and in the past it has favored the right.

I didn't like the Rev. Wright stuff at all, and neither did Obama, it damn near cost him the campaign. These are politicians. They play to their current audience and sometimes through their careers that audience is neither you or I. I believe that Obama/Biden are not stupid enough to do what the Clintons did with their election victory - Dem House and Senate - which was to try and jam their agenda down the throats of the right. I think these guys will be smart enough to include a broad set viewpoints in their major policy decisions if they don't trip and fall in the next two weeks. If General Colen Powell puts his name down for Obama, I believe that we can believe Obama will not do anything too partisan - it would be idiotic to do so and that man is not dumb. To be where he is right now, a black man with the name Barack Hussein Obama about to sweep into the White House with a large margin means he is note stupid enough to run hard left after he is sworn in. Time will tell, and then we can make accurate judgments of his performance as president instead of wild suppositions. I hope people will give the man a chance, and honor the American democratic process.

In the end, the spread in the polls is too high for any sort of voter fraud to affect the election. No how, no way, not possible - unless it's done electronically via black box voting. THAT is what we should be watching out for my friends. I encourage everyone to vote absentee - which I have to do during the So. Cal. fire season anyway since I'm usually flying or posted somewhere waiting for things to go real wrong real fast. Absentee voting provides a paper trail for YOUR vote, which is our most direct connection to the process, ensuring it will be there unmolested through recounts and all that junk, and it can't be tampered with electronically.

There is a decency in most everyone alive - with few exceptions. We ALL lose out if that common humanity and basic understanding is not sought out, understood, or respected.
7 years 30 weeks ago, 9:00 AM

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BobJet,
You mentioned that politicos respond to "their current audience and sometimes through their careers..." I want a Presidential candidate to lead, not reacting to polls. I do not believe we have a leader since Reagans first term.
Neither Presidential candidates are dumb. They will more than likely be following the advise of their cabinets.

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The last two presidential elections had some shenanigans at the polls that were perpetrated by the right - and all we heard were how the left was "whinning", "whimps", and "sore losers". I think that should be remembered, especially now, so those who are offended by it - now - like It was back then, realize it is an issue that affects us ALL as Americans, and that tolerating this kind of behavior for political expediency is very un-American. Since both sides engage in this stuff I believe it evens out, and in the past it has favored the right.

I didn't like the Rev. Wright stuff at all, and neither did Obama, it damn near cost him the campaign. These are politicians. They play to their current audience and sometimes through their careers that audience is neither you or I. I believe that Obama/Biden are not stupid enough to do what the Clintons did with their election victory - Dem House and Senate - which was to try and jam their agenda down the throats of the right. I think these guys will be smart enough to include a broad set viewpoints in their major policy decisions if they don't trip and fall in the next two weeks. If General Colen Powell puts his name down for Obama, I believe that we can believe Obama will not do anything too partisan - it would be idiotic to do so and that man is not dumb. To be where he is right now, a black man with the name Barack Hussein Obama about to sweep into the White House with a large margin means he is note stupid enough to run hard left after he is sworn in. Time will tell, and then we can make accurate judgments of his performance as president instead of wild suppositions. I hope people will give the man a chance, and honor the American democratic process.

In the end, the spread in the polls is too high for any sort of voter fraud to affect the election. No how, no way, not possible - unless it's done electronically via black box voting. THAT is what we should be watching out for my friends. I encourage everyone to vote absentee - which I have to do during the So. Cal. fire season anyway since I'm usually flying or posted somewhere waiting for things to go real wrong real fast. Absentee voting provides a paper trail for YOUR vote, which is our most direct connection to the process, ensuring it will be there unmolested through recounts and all that junk, and it can't be tampered with electronically.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 4:02 PM

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Even out ?

Just because this may or may not happened in the past as alleged does not make it right. If the machine is broken "you fix it" unfair voting practices are unacceptable period.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 4:17 PM

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And

If this happened on the 17th where is all of the media attention
As in the last elections where voter fraud was alleged?

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 4:25 PM

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There...

all over it. I just watched a muted 30 minutes of news(in our COC) and it was about the "voter fraud" Where are you
It was FOX by the way.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 5:35 PM

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This happened apparantly on the 17th and I have still not seen anything on it on the tv media thats 3 days plus ago. Which is also why I do not rely on the news media to form any opinion.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 5:42 PM

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You may not have, but once again on the 19 and 20th I saw a FOX News section run about voter fraud and Obama...couldn't hear what they were saying but "VOTING FRAUD" kind of gave it away.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 5:59 PM

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I also heard of

the voter registration fraud, I think that was in Illinois and another state. But of this particular instance involving the vote theft from the mentally challenged gentleman in albany georgia, nothing yet here, I hope they do make mention of it soon to ease my suspicions if nothing else.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 6:22 PM

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I specifically said voter fraud is NEVER acceptable. It undermines our system of government, and flies in the face of democracy. No one on the right was all to upset when things went all "askew" in Ohio 2004. Were you?

The point spread is now to great for voter fraud to matter, but non-the less should be routed out and exposed to the light, to preserve the integrity of this nation's election results is paramount to it's proper function and future.

There is a decency in most everyone alive - with few exceptions. We ALL lose out if that common humanity and basic understanding is not sought out, understood, or respected.
7 years 30 weeks ago, 3:41 PM

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I do believe tha we are still a Republic, only in the minds of the Dems are we a democracy. Please get it right... A REPUBLIC. Representative Government...

7 years 31 weeks ago, 6:50 PM

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Then I have to assume that in your opinion it is ok for the media to suppress such news as the votes of the mentally challenged being stolen. How do you have integrity without honesty. And yes the 2004 election was also upsetting for myself and many other Americans.

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 8:01 PM

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The left wing spinmeisters are out in force... sytasyn, LLE, ebear, BobJet, et al. Just ignore their stuff and we can defeat this blight on America. It is a shame that we have to put up with their garbage here like on all the Media. We have 1 channel to watch, which is Fox at times and even then we have to put up with that creepy liar Colmes. Colmes and Carville are perfect examples of their ilk.... keep up the good fight and Vote dilligently in Nov. I will continur to piss them off as much as possible... HeeHee.

7 years 30 weeks ago, 12:10 AM

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Hey Box

I really like Colmes. I like the way fox does things. They always present two viewpoits with interesting guests. This week I'm back at Quankco with no Fox news in hotel. The other news outlets are just having three guests making fun of Palin/Mcain. Its so bias. They really show their stance by being opposed to everything Palin/Mcain stand for. Each "journalist" critisized Palins religion, stance on hunting/firearms and abortion.
I had this issue in college with Prof's inserting thier opinions into the classroom. Bush is hitler....in a BioChemistry Class. Teach the fucking class. That goes for a teacher who would hate Clinton too. Political opinions belong in a politcal science class, not anywhere else.
Also, I went from A's and B's to C's once I wore my uniform to class on one drill week. My grades changed once the prof knew I served.
his name was Dr. Shateki and he can suck my....

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 10:25 AM

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that Thomas Jefferson would want us to "remain silent"?

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7 years 31 weeks ago, 8:17 PM

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Thanks samD

I do need all the help I can get from those like us who do face reality,
Checked out your profile earlier, Cool video there I had to subscribe, Keep em coming.

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 12:00 AM

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Why worry

Why worry? No one seems too upset about acorn. Do repbulicans have voter registration people? I always get approached by the Gay-bi Sexual allliance to register and vote Obama. They do this all the time.
First, do they have jobs (insert joke)? Second, who is looking out for this fraud. Are nt voter registration groups supposed to be non-partisan?
Why when a Republican wins the voters were disinfranchised. When a Democrat wins it a new direction. I really think the Democrats are well awareof what Acorn, GLA and many groups are doing.
Now if a church leader or rabbii were to say anything in church about politics, the Dems would go after their tax exemptness. Hillary did it in 2000 here in NY. But when Jesse Jackson goes on his rants, it is acceptable.WTF

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 8:26 AM

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in writing, before all of our members:

My opinion is that ANYONE discovered to have designed and implemented methods of Voter Fraud, and ANYONE discovered to have participated otherwise in Voter Fraud should be arrested, properly charged, and tried for the offense.

The word ANYONE means, among other things, regardless of race, sex, creed, color, POLITICAL AFFILIATION, religion or lack of it, age, national origin, or sexual orientation.

I certify that at the time of writing the above, I was not spinning either clockwise or counter-clockwise, and that I have written the above without any secret mental reservations, or purpose of manipulating or mind control of our membership or of the general public.

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 10:19 AM

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It would be hard to practice mind control on anyone else, when you seem to have trouble contolling your own... LOL
I agree with you on the voter fraud. But why isn't Obama denouncing ACORN?
And you know full well, that in the Quoran/Koran that if a Muslim denounces his Muslim faith he is marked for death. Why haven't we heard from the Muslims? Is it because he really is a Muslim? Hussein as a middle name is only given to Muslims....

7 years 30 weeks ago, 11:44 AM

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Your diagnosis is unacceptable, since you are not qualified to make it.

I do not know why Obama is not denouncing ACORN; I suggest you ask Obama.

Actually, we HAVE heard from some of "the Muslims"--that is the Muslim-Fundamentalists and the Islamo/Terrorists--as late as yesterday. They are endorsing John McCain. Since you seem to enjoy rhetorical questions, here is mine to you: Could it be that they believe that McCain is an easier "mark", making their quest to conquer the free world easier?

Who made the rule that the name Hussein as a middle name, is only given to Muslims? There are many citizens of the USA by that name, who are not Muslim and who are proud US citizens. But obviously you believe that if a person has an Arabic/Muslim derived name, it follows that they are Muslim and not to be trusted. If you are going to be an Obamaphobic, shouldn't you also be worried about McCain? My goodness!! Didn't you know that he has Muslim relatives? And what about two of our recent excellent General officers, for example: Joulwan and Abizaid. My Heavens--we certainly should have been more careful than to have selected two people with Arabic/Muslim names like that. By your standards, we should have known they would sell out to their Muslim brothers. But no--the reality is good and faithful service to our Country.

You need to get out of the fear-obsessed, tortured logic corner of the world, and just consider the possibilities that the rest of the real world offers. I am not advocating that you fall in love with Obama or the Dems, or the Commies or the Socialists. Just relax a tiny bit. Just open your horizons a tiny bit. It might not be as scary as you thought, and you then will be able to argue your positions with the intelligence that you have shown you have, INSTEAD of a bag full of ad hominem whip-ass almost all of the time.

I hope that I have done what Thomas Jefferson would have expected.

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 12:04 PM

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You are so full of it, you stink. You make up stuff ad nauseum. I will lighten up when this Muslim is defeated. Not until. You need to quit stirring your appeasement pot so much. It is odiferous and un-American at best. Look at your own life, before trying your pycho-babble on me.
Your holier than thou attitude is getting old. Besides, they really are out to get me. brainwash me and use their mind control to make me a Democrat/Socialist... LOl

7 years 30 weeks ago, 2:15 PM

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Once More........

you expose your bad faith, bankrupt view of the world and inability to argue your position in any other way than attacking your opponent personally. That is what ad hominem means. If you cannot answer with cogent rejoinders---attack--attack--attack the person bringing the arguement to you. Your pitiful attempts to make your opponents look small and foolish merely conspire successfully in branding you for the kind of person you have grown to be--one without principle or honor.

It is truly sad to see a person disintegrate before one's eyes, but alas, that is what we are seeing, gradually, but at an accelerating rate, as we read most of your posts.

When we read, "Besides, they are really out to get me. brainwash me and use their mind control...." it speaks for itself. Strange humor.

Sad, indeed.

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 2:15 PM

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You are entirely offbase. I consider you the real enemy. You are the wolf in sheeps clothing. I think you might be a retired political science teacher, I won't honor you with a full professorship. I think you taught in a liberal college and are here to stir votes to Obama. To date you have never answered a question directly. You have only done as a spinmeister will do and answer a query with a query.
Are you a retired teacher?
Are you now a member of the Democratic Party or a member of the DNC? Smacks of McCarthyism doesn't it.
Where do your true allegiances lie?
If you are for McCain, then please start sounding like it.
I think you are way to liberal sounding, like sytasyn and BobJet. I don't think you have swayed a vote in here, sytasyn is already an attack dog Demo. ebear at best is a under-educated follower.
Please let us know!!!

7 years 30 weeks ago, 4:41 PM

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Almost completely inoffensive. I will try to answer your questions as best I can, however, you might be coming to the realization that I cannot be pidgeon-holed, and no label will fit me accurately. I once told you "I am for myself, for if I am not, who will be?" You will never be able to fit me into any set of political positions or philosophies, and if that clashes with your view of "how things should be", so be it.
No, I am not a retired teacher.
No, I am not a member of the Democrat party or the DNC.,and to satisfy tailgunner Joe, I never have been.
Yes, this is similar to some of tail-gunner Joe's questioning, LOL
I am not avoiding this question, and I will answer it, but I need a definition of what you mean by "true allegiance". I SOUND LIKE what I am--a true Independent, who thinks for himself. I regret that you, for some reason, have been unable to pick up on that, and choose to hear me being a Democrat,left leaning Liberal, pinko, Socialist, Commie[ did I get them all?].
I am not for McCain, and I have never denied that. I also am not for Obama, and I have always made that clear. I have already completed my absentee ballot, and I have written in the name of a person who I think would be an outstanding President.
If you really believe I am trying to sway votes, you have COMPLETELY mis-read me. I could not care less who you or anyone else is going to vote for.

Is that enough knowledge, to start with??

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 12:33 PM

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Your vote

LLE thanks to people like you, you have probably helped elect Obama. I hope you are proud of wasting your vote. I too am a registered Independent, but have enough common sense that if I voted for Barr or anyone other than McCain, my vote would be wasted. It is not a matter that I think McCain is the end all, be all, but he is a Damn sight better than Obama. So thanks for your help in this election, you are hereby excused for your ignorance or ego whichever is greater...

7 years 30 weeks ago, 1:44 PM

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humor

Maybe it is just me,
I sense a little bit of humor in samD's post. He and Sytasyn have been battling for a while and I think they both are tired of it and try to inject humor to quell some of the harsh feelings. I hope I am reading into the post(s) correctly.
I will opine that self depricating humor lightens the mood. This is a website about weapons. We all have an opinion on what is best for our country. We are free to discuss these views as long as we fall under the rules of the land. I am not as smart as some of you, I have my opinions and enjoy sharing them with the community.
The truth of the matter is the original post was about alleged voter fraud. Imbellishment is often used to makes one's point. I read some of these posts and the bickering that ensues. It reminds me of the two major parties, always fighting and forgetting about why we are all here...
that my friends is the sad part

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 1:56 PM

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I Tried....

to bring it back to voter fraud, but he who you believe to be a possible humorist, took in in a different direction.

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 1:53 PM

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Like what he has done or not, I don't think you can argue that Bush follows the polls...haha! Rather, I do believe he has shut out the polls and ignored them completely...even LLE should agree with this, shouldn't you LLE?! What do you think? Speaking of Leaders, I once did a report in school, I was in World History, we were studying about Leadership. Our assignment was to pick a historical figure and argue why he or she was one of the greatest leaders...I chose Hitler! It caused a lot of trouble at first...but turned out well.

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 1:59 PM

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Bush is a

lame duck with approval ratings that are some of the lowest ever. Why in the world would he be interested in the polls, at this juncture?

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 2:02 PM

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Voter Fraud

No Offense to the mentally ill,but i think that they shouldnt vote. So what action should be taken against the employee?

7 years 30 weeks ago, 2:17 PM

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Very good point. Where is your massive idignation to this LLE?

7 years 30 weeks ago, 11:41 PM

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about this. Every voting jurisdiction I have ever lived in, has a provision that a person who has been declared mentally incompetent by a court, under proper due process procedures, MAY NOT VOTE, unless, later, his/her civil rights have been restored by due process procedures.[That means, adjudicated mentally competent, by the court].

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 2:27 PM

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Only people that know what there doin should vote. Hope i didnt hurt anyone's feelings.

7 years 30 weeks ago, 2:31 PM

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You are 100% correct, Mr Snake. Only the literate and English proficient should vote on an ALL ENGLISH BALLOT!!!!!
Why do we have foreign language ballots, so the Democrats can vote, that is the only reason....

7 years 30 weeks ago, 2:34 PM

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i usually stay out of the politics, and stick to the gun discussions... but i have to agree with both of you here. i agree with the literate and language statements, but where would you draw the line as far as labeling someone mentally ill, or mentally challanged? there is a lot of grey area there.

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 11:26 PM

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the line. A person can be declared mentally incompetent or mentally ill [legally] ONLY by due process, as established by judicial procedure under established law in a particular jurisdiction. The only gray area there may be is difference of opinion among competent medical/psychiatric and/or psychology "experts".

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 2:39 PM

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Voting is a way of getting control of the U.S. In other words who ever gets in the white house can be controled by us. For Example: With McCain we keep our gun rights by voting for McCain, All because he is for gun rights.

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more like, we are controlled by the person(s) in the white house (and congress), not vise versa. snake, that's why you need to agree with that candidate on as many topics as possible (especially the ones most important to you) because you really have no say in what happens to our country. just how i feel.

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 2:49 PM

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You are 100% right in that!

7 years 30 weeks ago, 2:48 PM

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Unfortunately, we can't control anyone who is elected. Our ONLY control is to vote them out or not vote them in like OBAMA. Obama will be bad for this country and your personal liberties. I have my guns, I have my concealed carry permit and I have ammo. So I am not as worried to what he might do in the next 4 years. God forbid he should get into the White House. Yes we vote for McCain for many reasons, he is a decorated war hero and was a POW during VietNam. He will not march to a straight party line as Obama will. Obama wants you to work so the money can be given to the poor and needy... The poor and needy are already taken care of by this country, welfare, food stamps, Sec 8 housing etc. He wants to redistribute the wealth. In other words he wants to take it away from everyone in America who works hard for it and give it to those who won't work. Doesn't seem fair does it? Becareful of some of the pretenders in here. They say one thing but will do the other. Know your friends and keep them close, but keep your enemy closer.. Sun Yat sen. That is for LLE so he doesn't think I am plaguerizing anything.

7 years 30 weeks ago, 3:20 PM

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OK--So you think I am a pretender--that is your privilege. I know you are going to think I am just bullshitting you--but I am going to say it anyway:

That post is excellent: the best I have seen from you for weeks. It proves that good substance can be expressed without whip-assing anyone who disagrees with you.

I know you will be suspicious of this, but it is what it is.

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LLE, it is obvious that you don't like Bush, but it is also apparent to me in your response, that you potentially have blinders on when it comes to Bush. Bush has never cared about the polls...that was the point, I was just trying to make the point that he never governed by the polls (regardless of whether anyone likes or dislikes him). That's all and I put your name in their, just to emphasize that even someone who likes Bush as little as you do would agree with that statement, or maybe I was wrong. As for Mentally challenged (retarded), I do believe there are standards which label someone as mentally challenged, slow, etc...if I remember all my psychology training.

I copied this from a kids website (so you can ALL understand)
Yes, that was just a joke...but the definition is below.

What Is Mental Retardation?
To understand mental retardation, it helps to know what intelligence (say: in-tel-uh-jents) is. Intelligence is a way of describing someone's ability to think, learn, and solve problems. Mental retardation means that someone has lower than average intelligence.

An example of a general IQ reference chart I.Q. Range (15SD) Intelligence Classification
1-24 Profound Mental Retardation
25–39 Severe Mental Retardation
40–54 Moderate Mental Retardation
55–69 Mild Mental Retardation
70–84 Borderline Mental Retardation
85-114 Average Intelligence
115-129 Bright
130-144 Moderately Gifted
145-159 Highly Gifted
160-175 Exceptionally Gifted
Over 175 Profoundly Gifted

Of course, where you were born and live can influence your scores, therefore, the Rednecks in this group, should drop their scores at least one category...okok, I made this part up!!!

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 3:27 PM

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What Did I miss?

How did we get to "Mental Retardation"?

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 3:36 PM

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Try to stay awake, but I know PBS and the NY Times keep you busy fueling up with rhetoric. I don't ass whip anyone unless they attack me first. Re read the posts. I am a defensive player and a formidable one. You attack me, I will be on your throat like a mad dog. You have said some very unpleasant things about me. BUT YOU WILL STILL NOT ANSWER A QUESTION. GO back and read them... You are a song and dance man...

7 years 30 weeks ago, 5:16 PM

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Beg your Pardon....

Did the best I could, Mr. mad dog. Answered your questions a while ago.

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 11:40 PM

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LLE you have answered nothing....
Your BS is not transparent, it is very pink. You will be on permanent Ignore until you come clean and tell the truth. We know what you are. You have high regards for JetBob & sytasyn and quibble with most everyone else... Self explanatory to all... LOL
You have been caught and the yellow stripe is being painted on your back.

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But you will find it difficult to deny my answers, made in good faith, IN PRINT. You must believe yourself to be some sort of cop, administering the "third degree". Laughable. And you are still playing the "with us or against us" game; Tragic. By the way--who is the "we" you are referring to--do you seriously believe people would be looking up to someone whose only talent is vitriolic rhetoric? Who in the name of all that is holy would want to be associated with that? It is dangerous.
You are now on the edge of hate speech and publishing a libel. To be forewarned is to be forearmed. Put me on permanent ignore, Please; and PLEASE, make my day, and relieve Marvin and Quinton of this insanity.

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Insanity

Is on my part asking you which Liberal college you taught in and expecting an answer.

7 years 30 weeks ago, 3:11 PM

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I didn't know that I was highly gifted. Do I drop down 1 notch because I was born in Oakland, Ca? Or can I raise it back up because I retreated from The Republic of Kalifornia? Help me I feel a void in my life until I can place myself in society. LOL
IQ scores are generally higher in your younger years also. I was tested 5 years ago and scored in the middle of that Highly Gifted range at age 60. I feel I am slipping, trying to match wits with LLE, he is SOOOO Brilliant at 78. He must be in the upper 200 range. It awes me to be in touch with such a genius...

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AW, Shucks...........

Thanks a heap, samD. I knew you were an intelligent person. This just proves it....ER--I meant your test score.

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AW

Just blowin smoke up your ass. Come clean and we can talk about guns, if you own one...

7 years 30 weeks ago, 5:02 PM

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Mr. mad dog.

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i love this forum,today was the most fuck up day. but wen is time to get home and i log on to this forum i lol with or your shit....keep it up guys.......lol

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Mental retardation

Reaper mentioned it in a previous post to mine...

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i usually stay out of the
i usually stay out of the politics, and stick to the gun discussions... but i have to agree with both of you here. i agree with the literate and language statements, but where would you draw the line as far as labeling someone mentally ill, or mentally challanged? there is a lot of grey area there.

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i understand that there are ways to measure a person's "mental capibilties", but are you proposing that everyone would be required to take an IQ test before registeriing to vote? I'm not disagreeing, i like the concept, I'm just trying to see how realistic it would be.

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 4:57 PM

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Hey Reaper......

It would not be realistic, at all, to administer a valid, reliable IQ test before voter registration would be permitted.
1) What are you testing FOR? What is the Pass/fail score, and HOW was that established?
2) Do you want to establish another governmental bureaucracy, USA wide?
[great for creating jobs for unemployed Psychologists}
3) Such a proposal would be shot down in the courts, before it ever got off the ground, because of #1, above. Under present Voter Registration regs in all States I know of, unless a citizen is judged mentally incompetent by a court of law, he/she can vote if he/she also meets the age, residency, and citizenship tests. There is no data that correlates being ABLE TO DECIDE who to vote for, with intelligence, even though the Democrats think the Republicans are stupid and vice versa!! A person with a marginal IQ knows how to decide, just like a person with a "genius" IQ, even though we might PERSONALLY question the QUALITY of the decision made by the marginal person.
Certainly, those of us who favor less governmental intrusion in our lives, would find such a system almost akin to 1984's BIG BROTHER style style of government.

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 3:42 PM

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I expected more responses about the Rednecks comment versus this one...but, since I brought up Rednecks, how about Murtha, from my home state? He calls the people who have voted him into office for 17 terms Racists and Rednecks...now, I must admit he either has HUGE balls or is just senile and stupid!

Jusy sayin'

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 3:45 PM

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No, that could never

happen because the Dems would never win anything...just sayin' I believe at least in Iowa, if you are mentally retarded, you cannot vote, how they enforce it is another matter...checking now for other states.

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 3:56 PM

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http://www.mental-health-matters.com/articles/article.php?artID=706

http://www.legis.state.ia.us/GA/79GA/Legislation/HF/02100/HF02105/Curren...

http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/51/7/849

http://www.sedbtac.org/ada/publications/legal/voting_rights_under_ADA_in...

There are literally thousands of links...

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You never have a response for an asked question. Is it because the truth will ccause you too much damage?

7 years 30 weeks ago, 11:33 AM

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Voter fraud

is a tradition...if anyone thinks Rove/Bush/Cheney invented voter fraud in 2000, they are living in another world. Voter fraud has been going on since...well, since voting began! There is no way to stop it completely, I cannot imagine we eliminate it ever. As long as people man the polling stations and / or make the machines that tally the votes, we will always have some. I think, in MY OPINION, the best we can do is control/limit it. Also,...my OPINION only: I think the biggest reason the Democrats were so pissed in 2000 was because they probably registered a bunch of people who voted (thus, they probably thought they sealed the election for their guy)...when they found out they lost, they couldn't believe it..."How could we have lost, we cheated to win!!!!" ha!

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Hey Reaper

Here is something you wrote earlier...it struck a chord with me:
more like, we are controlled
more like, we are controlled by the person(s) in the white house (and congress), not vise versa. snake, that's why you need to agree with that candidate on as many topics as possible (especially the ones most important to you) because you really have no say in what happens to our country. just how i feel.

The very reason (MY OPINION) that we have lost so much control, is because federal govt has become too big...I have said this many times here. We should have more decisions, closer to our locality, not from Washington. I feel this makes great sense...the closer (physically) we are to the people who are making the decsions that affect our life, the more chance we have to influence/change. For instance, the roads in the US became a big federal project, because our infrastructure was crap way back when. So there was a big push for a national road system, which was great. But it is still controlled (a lot of it), either directly or by funding by the feds...if your counties or city or states had more control over those highways, you could complain more readily...just an example, there are many examples and maybe that isn't the best example. But my main point, the closer to the decision makers we are, the better chance to influence them...the farther away they are, the less chance.

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makes sense

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VOTE FOR OBAMA OR ELSE

I HEARD ON THE NEWS YESTERDAY THAT SOME WOMEN WAS ATTACTED AT KNIFE POINT FOR MONEY AND WHEN THE ROBBER SEEN A MACAIN PALIN STICKER ON HER CAR HE CARVED AN O IN THE WOMENS FACE

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hoax by the woman.

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7 years 30 weeks ago, 3:29 PM

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Get it straight

I saw it just then on the news the attacker carved a "B" on her face and giving her to black eyes.

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why b

i heard it was an o but i saw it on the news your right snake my bad

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