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Temperatures to plunge next week
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Another cold snap is on its way in a winter that looks set to be the chilliest for at least 13 years, meteorologists have warned. Skip related content
Related photos / videos Temperatures to plunge next week Michael Dukes, of MeteoGroup, the weather division of the Press Association, said the "reasonably average" temperatures over the last fortnight would come to an end on Sunday night when bitter winds and freezing air from Russia were expected to move across the UK.

There is also a chance of snow for parts of the country in the early part of next week.

Mr Dukes said: "Chill winds from the continent will start to be felt across the south and east in the next couple of days, before a blast of bitterly cold air from western Russia sends the mercury plunging during Sunday night and the early part of next week.

"Although still far from certain at this stage, there are growing signs that heavy snow showers will accompany this frigid air during Monday and Tuesday, more especially across southern and eastern parts of England, with the north and west probably staying mainly fine and frosty.

"Temperatures in the first half of next week are unlikely to be as low as they were in the early January 'freeze' but will struggle to rise above freezing by day and will drop several degrees below at night with a significant wind-chill adding to the cold."

Temperatures are forecast to drop from between 4C and 7C on Saturday and 3C and 5C on Sunday down to between -1C and -3C on Sunday night.

Maximum temperatures on Monday are predicted to be 1C-4C, plunging to -1C to -4C in the night, according to Mr Dukes, who said the wind chill factor would make it feel even colder.

With overall temperatures in December and January between 1C and 1.5C below average and a freezing start to February looking likely, Mr Dukes said the last time the winter months were as cold was in 1995-1996. During that winter, in particular in December, the weather was very cold and windy with plenty of snow.

On December 30 1995 the UK national lowest temperature of -27.2C was equalled - recorded in the Scottish village of Altnaharra. Earlier this month, temperatures plunged to lows of -13C during a three-week freeze.

*** In addition, new solar cycle just started on 24 January!!!

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Correction

It started Jan 24 2008/last year...sorry

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Ice Age Cometh

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/global_warming_ice_age/2008/04/24/90591...

Scientist: Earth Cooling, Not Warming

Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:53 AM

By: Philip V. Brennan Article Font Size

A San Francisco-based scientist says that current solar activity strongly indicates that the earth is on the verge of a new ice age.

"Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh," warns Phil Chapman writing in The Australian. Chapman is a geophysicist and astronautical engineer who was the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut.
"The scariest photo I have seen . . . is at www.spaceweather.com, where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory [SOHO], located in deep space at the equilibrium point between solar and terrestrial gravity," Chapman wrote, adding ominously that "what is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot."

"This is where SOHO comes in," he explained. "The sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat variable length, averaging 11 years. The most recent minimum was in March last year. The new cycle, No. 24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers."

That, he writes did not happen. "The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon."

Why? According to Chapman "there is a close correlation between variations in the sunspot cycle and earth's climate. The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790. Northern winters became ferocious: in particular, the rout of Napoleon's Grand Army during the retreat from Moscow in 1812 was at least partly due to the lack of sunspots."

Although the rapid temperature decline in 2007 coincided with the failure of cycle No. 24 to begin on schedule is not proof of a causal connection, Chapman warns that it is cause for concern.

"Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming," he explains, "the average temperature on earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.

"All four agencies that track earth's temperature [the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California] report that it cooled by about 0.7 C in 2007." This, he says is "the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over."

Moreover, he says, there is also plenty of anecdotal evidence that 2007 was exceptionally cold, noting that it snowed in Baghdad for the first time in centuries, the winter in China was simply terrible and the extent of Antarctic sea ice in the austral winter was the greatest on record since James Cook discovered the place in 1770.

Chapman wrote that the global warming dogma should be put aside, "at least to begin contingency planning about what to do if we are moving into another little ice age, similar to the one that lasted from 1100 to 1850."

How bad could a new little ice age be? "Much worse than the previous one and much more harmful than anything warming may do. There are many more people now, and we have become dependent on a few temperate agricultural areas, especially in the U.S. and Canada." Global warming, he added, "would increase agricultural output, but global cooling will decrease it. Millions will starve if we do nothing to prepare for it [such as planning changes in agriculture to compensate], and millions more will die from cold-related diseases."

And grim as that outlook is, Chapman predicts that there is also another possibility, remote but much more serious — the Greenland and Antarctic ice cores and other evidence show that for the past several million years, severe glaciation has almost always afflicted our planet and under normal conditions, most of North America and Europe are buried under about 1.5 km of ice.

This bitterly frigid climate is interrupted occasionally by brief warm interglacials, typically lasting less than 10,000 years.

The present interglacial period we have enjoyed throughout recorded human history, called the Holocene, began 11,000 years ago, so an ice age is overdue. And glaciation can occur quickly: The required decline in global temperature is about 12 C and it can happen in 20 years.

His conclusions: "The next descent into an ice age is inevitable but may not happen for another 1,000 years. On the other hand, it must be noted that the cooling in 2007 was even faster than in typical glacial transitions. If it continued for 20 years, the temperature would be 14 C cooler in 2027."

By then, he writes, "most of the advanced nations would have ceased to exist, vanishing under the ice, and the rest of the world would be faced with a catastrophe beyond imagining."

"All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinders and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead," he writes. "It will be difficult for people to face the truth when their reputations, careers, government grants or hopes for social change depend on global warming, but the fate of civilisation may be at stake."

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Ice In The Greenhouse:
Earth May Be Cooling, Not Warming

By Jens Bischof

Climate change has become a topic of great public interest. Hardly a week goes by without newspaper articles proclaiming global warming, the greenhouse effect, melting polar ice caps and retreating glaciers. No self-respecting weather forecaster can resist the temptation to see a connection between slightly abnormal weather patterns and El Nino, the eternal culprit. And while it is clear that the burning of fossil fuels such as petroleum, coal and wood, and the ensuing rise of carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere must trigger a reaction of the global climate system, it is completely unknown exactly what kind of reaction will occur.

Indeed, there are signs from some natural systems that global warming is under way. Observations of the pack-ice thickness of the Arctic Ocean from submarines with upward-looking sonar, for example, show a thinning trend since the 1970s. The margin of permafrost is moving north, and the vegetation in the high northern parts of the world is changing toward more temperate forms. But it is by no means clear whether these signs indicate real, worrying proof of manmade, permanent and potentially disastrous climate change, or just regular, naturally occurring variations in the Earth’s climate system.

If proven a reality, the most troubling aspect of global warming is that it would cause melting of the polar ice caps, which in turn would cause the global sea level to rise and flood some of the most densely populated regions on Earth. Other effects could be changes in rainfall patterns, which could lead to widespread droughts and threaten agricultural production. One need not be a prophet to imagine the ultimate consequences: forced emigration of unprecedented scale into higher elevations, straining the economies and societies of the involuntary host nations, causing political turmoil and, knowing how humans traditionally react to such changes, most likely war.

But are these assumptions correct? In science, as in other sectors of public life, outcomes of investigations are very often guided, if not determined, by an a priori idea, a tenet. One could also call it a belief. In the case of global warming, this belief is that, if enormous amounts of greenhouse gases are released into the atmosphere, a temperature rise must occur. This prior assumption has guided scientific thinking and triggered a true deluge of investigations, all desperately trying to prove just that. What has been totally forgotten is the fact that natural climate changes occur as well as manmade ones, and on time scales on the order of decades, in some cases.

Overdue Cold Snap

I believe the only way to detect these changes is from the geologic record of marine sediments. In the high northern latitudes, those sediments contain ice-rafted debris, or IRD. The IRD is deposited on or within ice sheets, portions of which eventually calve as icebergs and then travel on vast ocean currents. The composition and movement of this drifting ice can provide insights into the future direction of climate change. Contrary to the prevailing beliefs inside and out of the scientific community, my studies indicate that warming may not be the direction in which global climate is headed after all.

The last 10,000 years of geological history are referred to as the Holocene Era. During that time, global climate has been relatively stable, with swings from warmer temperatures to cooler and back again. On average, however, there has not been the kind of extreme climate oscillation that has in the distant past led to periods of glaciation. Nevertheless, Earth is overdue for a cold snap. Close examination of the way ice is presently traveling in ocean water, from frigid to warmer regions of the globe, suggests that the mechanisms for widespread planetary cooling may once again be engaging.

Ice rafting is a simple idea: particles such as stones, pebbles and fine grains become embedded in ice. As that ice drifts, it melts, depositing those particles in oceanic sediments, leaving a “drift track” indicative of its source. Geologists are then able to reconstruct past ice-drift directions by finding a method by which particles can be connected to a specific point of origin.

The process of ice rafting is intimately connected to temperature changes on global and regional scales. The physical movement of excessive amounts of ice from polar regions to lower latitudes by shifting ocean currents can lead to substantially lower temperatures. If, for example, the air pressure distribution over the Arctic Ocean was such that winds blew from the Bering Strait across the North Pole toward Fram Strait, then massive amounts of pack ice would be moved into the Norwegian Greenland Sea. In the winter, this process would continuously produce additional sea ice in the open leads created by offshore winds in the Bering Strait region, setting in motion a veritable “ice machine.” The regional extent of ice and snow cover in the Greenland Sea would increase, cooling the region, and boosting the albedo, or amount of solar radiation reflected back into space, further amplifying cooling.

Depending on the strength and duration, this process could lead to an episode of relatively cold climate over the North Atlantic region, perhaps lasting from a few years up to decades. But if it were sufficiently strong and durable, it could set the stage for global climate to return to full glaciation.

Ice As Predictor

If sea ice were to thicken and expand by other means, such as cooling forced by celestial mechanisms, including variation in solar radiation or orbital changes, declining temperatures would occur seasonally, during winter and summer, but also on much longer time scales, such as thousands and tens of thousands of years. Polar fronts would be pushed toward the Equator. Such cooling is self-perpetuating, increasing the extent of snow- and ice-covered regions, thus augmenting the albedo. The albedo increase, in turn, further amplifies the cooling trend, creating a positive feedback loop that leads to additional cooling, which leads to more ice and snow, higher albedo and more cooling.

Global cooling brought on by ice drift, however, does not require an external motor, such as the periodic variation in the Earth’s orbit that brings it closer to or farther away from the Sun, or a slight change in the tilt of the Earth’s axis, also periodic. Rather, a mere change of the ice-drift direction in the Arctic could set cooling on its way, possibly even on a global scale. The geologic record is certainly clear: The climate pendulum has repeatedly swung between a relatively warmer worldas we experience today, and glacial climates during which much of Earth was submerged under thick sheets of ice.

In my book Ice Drift, Ocean Circulation And Climate Change, I look not just at older data that otherwise would never have seen the light of day but also new data that I believe is persuasive that ice drifting can be as predictive as it is archival. That is, to understand the future, at least in terms of climate, one must understand the past. Any computer model designed to predict future climate change such as greenhouse gas-induced global warming must also reproduce the reconstructed past changes of ice drift in order to be considered reliable. Ice rafting is not just a passive recorder of past surface-ocean circulation, but also actively influences and changes present ocean circulation as well.

At present we do not yet know if the circulation changes occur over one or more decades relevant to humans. This is simply because the low, and in some cases, very low sedimentation rates of the polar oceans do not permit time resolution at these short scales. But recent progress in the analysis of Arctic Ocean sediments has shown that it is possible to find areas with high resolution. This, and the prospect of new equipment in the form of a polar icebreaker able to be on station 200 days per year, hold the promise that the mystery of the driving forces of climate change may be eventually solved.

In the meantime, we should prepare ourselves for the possibility that our cherished ideas about global warming may be, if not dead wrong, only partially correct. Intriguing recent evidence gathered from ice-rafted debris looks remarkably similar to a much older pattern that preceded an ice age. We may have to entertain the possibility that Earth’s natural climate development may be on a return to another such period, or at least to colder conditions than we now experience. If so, and ironically, the very greenhouse warming we fear may either mitigate the cooling or cancel it altogether.

Jens Bischof is author of Ice Drift, Ocean Circulation And Climate Change and is a research assistant professor in Old Dominion’s Department of Ocean, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences.

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CATASTROPHIC predictions of global warming usually conjure with the notion of a tipping point, a point of no return.

Last Monday - on ABC Radio National, of all places - there was a tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. It was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of Counterpoint, Michael Duffy and Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. Anyone in public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will ignore it at their peril.
Duffy asked Marohasy: "Is the Earth stillwarming?"

She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."

Duffy: "Is this a matter of any controversy?"

Marohasy: "Actually, no. The head of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has actually acknowledged it. He talks about the apparent plateau in temperatures so far this century. So he recognises that in this century, over the past eight years, temperatures have plateaued ... This is not what you'd expect, as I said, because if carbon dioxide is driving temperature then you'd expect that, given carbon dioxide levels have been continuing to increase, temperatures should be going up ... So (it's) very unexpected, not something that's being discussed. It should be being discussed, though, because it's very significant."

Duffy: "It's not only that it's not discussed. We never hear it, do we? Whenever there's any sort of weather event that can be linked into the global warming orthodoxy, it's put on the front page. But a fact like that, which is that global warming stopped a decade ago, is virtually never reported, which is extraordinary."

Duffy then turned to the question of how the proponents of the greenhouse gas hypothesis deal with data that doesn't support their case. "People like Kevin Rudd and Ross Garnaut are speaking as though the Earth is still warming at an alarming rate, but what is the argument from the other side? What would people associated with the IPCC say to explain the (temperature) dip?"

Marohasy: "Well, the head of the IPCC has suggested natural factors are compensating for the increasing carbon dioxide levels and I guess, to some extent, that's what sceptics have been saying for some time: that, yes, carbon dioxide will give you some warming but there are a whole lot of other factors that may compensate or that may augment the warming from elevated levels of carbon dioxide.

"There's been a lot of talk about the impact of the sun and that maybe we're going to go through or are entering a period of less intense solar activity and this could be contributing to the current cooling."

Duffy: "Can you tell us about NASA's Aqua satellite, because I understand some of the data we're now getting is quite important in our understanding of how climate works?"

Marohasy: "That's right. The satellite was only launched in 2002 and it enabled the collection of data, not just on temperature but also on cloud formation and water vapour. What all the climate models suggest is that, when you've got warming from additional carbon dioxide, this will result in increased water vapour, so you're going to get a positive feedback. That's what the models have been indicating. What this great data from the NASA Aqua satellite ... (is) actually showing is just the opposite, that with a little bit of warming, weather processes are compensating, so they're actually limiting the greenhouse effect and you're getting a negative rather than a positive feedback."

Duffy: "The climate is actually, in one way anyway, more robust than was assumed in the climate models?"

Marohasy: "That's right ... These findings actually aren't being disputed by the meteorological community. They're having trouble digesting the findings, they're acknowledging the findings, they're acknowledging that the data from NASA's Aqua satellite is not how the models predict, and I think they're about to recognise that the models really do need to be overhauled and that when they are overhauled they will probably show greatly reduced future warming projected as a consequence of carbon dioxide."

Duffy: "From what you're saying, it sounds like the implications of this could beconsiderable ..."

Marohasy: "That's right, very much so. The policy implications are enormous. The meteorological community at the moment is really just coming to terms with the output from this NASA Aqua satellite and (climate scientist) Roy Spencer's interpretation of them. His work is published, his work is accepted, but I think people are still in shock at this point."

If Marohasy is anywhere near right about the impending collapse of the global warming paradigm, life will suddenly become a whole lot more interesting.

A great many founts of authority, from the Royal Society to the UN, most heads of government along with countless captains of industry, learned professors, commentators and journalists will be profoundly embarrassed. Let us hope it is a prolonged and chastening experience.

With catastrophe off the agenda, for most people the fog of millennial gloom will lift, at least until attention turns to the prospect of the next ice age. Among the better educated, the sceptical cast of mind that is the basis of empiricism will once again be back in fashion. The delusion that by recycling and catching public transport we can help save the planet will quickly come to be seen for the childish nonsense it was all along.

The poorest Indians and Chinese will be left in peace to work their way towards prosperity, without being badgered about the size of their carbon footprint, a concept that for most of us will soon be one with Nineveh and Tyre, clean forgotten in six months.

The scores of town planners in Australia building empires out of regulating what can and can't be built on low-lying shorelines will have to come to terms with the fact inundation no longer impends and find something more plausible to do. The same is true of the bureaucrats planning to accommodate "climate refugees".

Penny Wong's climate mega-portfolio will suddenly be as ephemeral as the ministries for the year 2000 that state governments used to entrust to junior ministers. Malcolm Turnbull will have to reinvent himself at vast speed as a climate change sceptic and the Prime Minister will have to kiss goodbye what he likes to call the great moral issue and policy challenge of our times.

It will all be vastly entertaining to watch.

THE Age published an essay with an environmental theme by Ian McEwan on March 8 and its stablemate, The Sydney Morning Herald, also carried a slightly longer version of the same piece.

The Australian's Cut & Paste column two days later reproduced a telling paragraph from the Herald's version, which suggested that McEwan was a climate change sceptic and which The Age had excised. He was expanding on the proposition that "we need not only reliable data but their expression in the rigorous use of statistics".

What The Age decided to spare its readers was the following: "Well-meaning intellectual movements, from communism to post-structuralism, have a poor history of absorbing inconvenient fact or challenges to fundamental precepts. We should not ignore or suppress good indicators on the environment, though they have become extremely rare now. It is tempting to the layman to embrace with enthusiasm the latest bleak scenario because it fits the darkness of our soul, the prevailing cultural pessimism. The imagination, as Wallace Stevens once said, is always at the end of an era. But we should be asking, or expecting others to ask, for the provenance of the data, the assumptions fed into the computer model, the response of the peer review community, and so on. Pessimism is intellectually delicious, even thrilling, but the matter before us is too serious for mere self-pleasuring. It would be self-defeating if the environmental movement degenerated into a religion of gloomy faith. (Faith, ungrounded certainty, is no virtue.)"

The missing sentences do not appear anywhere else in The Age's version of the essay. The attribution reads: "Copyright Ian McEwan 2008" and there is no acknowledgment of editing by The Age.

Why did the paper decide to offer its readers McEwan lite? Was he, I wonder, consulted on the matter? And isn't there a nice irony that The Age chose to delete the line about ideologues not being very good at "absorbing inconvenient fact"?

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A prominent global-warming critic says many scientists believe that this winter's weather could point to a future cooling trend.

Marc Morano is the resident authority on global warming with the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works minority staff. He says according to records kept by the United Nations, global average temperatures peaked during the El Nino year of 1998 -- and that since 2001, the temperature trend has declined slightly.

According to Morano, despite the continued pumping of CO2 into the atmosphere, the southern hemisphere has also experienced a cooling trend; and in the northern hemisphere, January 2008, by some estimates, was the coldest month in more than a decade.

"Solar scientists are worried about the lows," he says. "They're calling it the 'disturbingly quiet solar cycle.' And we're faced with again just a lack of years ... of temperatures just sort of 'plateau-ing out' to the point where the head of the U.N. IPCC [Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change] has recently called for an investigation as to why temperatures were not continuing to rise as predicted."

Morano also notes that between 1940 and 1975, the earth's temperature cooled even though CO2 levels rose. And global warming alarmists, he notes, have failed to explain the lack of a correlation between rising CO2 and rising

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Earth is Cooling…No It’s Warming
In 1967 Hansen went to work for NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, in New York City, where he continued his research on planetary problems. Around 1970, some scientists suspected Earth was entering a period of global cooling. Decades prior, the brilliant Serbian mathematician Milutin Milankovitch had explained how our world warms and cools on roughly 100,000-year cycles due to its slowly changing position relative to the Sun. Milankovitch’s theory suggested Earth should be just beginning to head into its next ice age cycle. The surface temperature data gathered by Mitchell seemed to agree; the record showed that Earth experienced a period of cooling (by about 0.3°C) from 1940 through 1970. Of course, Mitchell was only collecting data over a fraction of the Northern Hemisphere—from 20 to 90 degrees North latitude. Still, the result drew public attention and a number of speculative articles about Earth’s coming ice age appeared in newspapers and magazines.

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Posted By Marc Morano – 4:57 PM ET – Marc_Morano@EPW.Senate.Gov

Earth's 'Fever' Breaks: Global COOLING Currently Under Way

[Disclaimer: Since there is no "normal" temperature of the Earth, there is no way the Earth can have a "fever." The headline's reference to "fever" is for amusement purposes only. See also the U.S. Senate Minority Report:“Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007” - LINK ]

News Round Up: A sampling of recent articles detailing the inconvenient reality of temperature trends around the planet.

Report: Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling (Daily Tech – February 26, 2008)

Excerpt: All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year time. For all sources, it's the single fastest temperature change every recorded, either up or down. […] Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on. No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

Forget Global Warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age (Canada's National Post – Feb. 25, 2008)
Excerpt: Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966. The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average." China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them. And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past. The ice is back. Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year. […]Last month, Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, shrugged off manmade climate change as "a drop in the bucket." Showing that solar activity has entered an inactive phase, Prof. Sorokhtin advised people to "stock up on fur coats." He is not alone. Kenneth Tapping of our own National Research Council, who oversees a giant radio telescope focused on the sun, is convinced we are in for a long period of severely cold weather if sunspot activity does not pick up soon. The last time the sun was this inactive, Earth suffered the Little Ice Age that lasted about five centuries and ended in 1850. Crops failed through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were widespread. Harbours froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased. It's way too early to claim the same is about to happen again, but then it's way too early for the hysteria of the global warmers, too.

Arctic Sea Ice Sees 'Significant Increase' in Size Following 'Extreme Cold' (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation -CBC – February 15, 2008)

Excerpt: There's an upside to the extreme cold temperatures northern Canadians have endured in the last few weeks: scientists say it's been helping winter sea ice grow across the Arctic, where the ice shrank to record-low levels last year. Temperatures have stayed well in the -30s C and -40s C range since late January throughout the North, with the mercury dipping past -50 C in some areas. Satellite images are showing that the cold spell is helping the sea ice expand in coverage by about 2 million square kilometres, compared to the average winter coverage in the previous three years. "It's nice to know that the ice is recovering," Josefino Comiso, a senior research scientist with the Cryospheric Sciences Branch of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre in Maryland, told CBC News on Thursday. […] Winter sea ice could keep expanding. The cold is also making the ice thicker in some areas, compared to recorded thicknesses last year, Lagnis added. "The ice is about 10 to 20 centimetres thicker than last year, so that's a significant increase," he said. If temperatures remain cold this winter, Langis said winter sea ice coverage will continue to expand.

Ice between Canada and Greenland reaches highest level in 15 years (Greenland’s Sermitsiak News – February 12, 2008)

Excerpt: Minus 30 degrees Celsius. That's how cold it's been in large parts of western Greenland where the population has been bundling up in hats and scarves. At the same time, Denmark's Meteorological Institute states that the ice between Canada and southwest Greenland right now has reached its greatest extent in 15 years. 'Satellite pictures show that the ice expansion has extended farther south this year. In fact, it's a bit past the Nuuk area. We have to go back 15 years to find ice expansion so far south. On the eastern coast it hasn't been colder than normal, but there has been a good amount of snow.'

New Peer-Reviewed Study Shows Arctic COOLING Over last 1500 years

(Study published in Climate Dynamics, and the work was conducted by Håkan Grudd of Stockholm University’s Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology - Published online: 30 January 2008)

Excerpt: “The late-twentieth century is not exceptionally warm in the new Torneträsk record: On decadal-to-century timescales, periods around AD 750, 1000, 1400, and 1750 were all equally warm, or warmer. The warmest summers in this new reconstruction occur in a 200-year period centred on AD 1000. A ‘Medieval Warm Period’ is supported by other paleoclimate evidence from northern Fennoscandia, although the new tree-ring evidence from Tornetraäsk suggests that this period was much warmer than previously recognised.” < > “The new Torneträsk summer temperature reconstruction shows a trend of -0.3°C over the last 1,500 years.” Paper available here: & Full Paper (pdf) available here: (LINK)

Antarctic Summer Thaw 'Later Than Normal' (AccuWeather Global Warming News – February 6, 2008)

Excerpt: Actually, the summer thaw down there was later than normal, and NASA believes that La Nina might have something to do with that. Usually, the breakup of fast ice around the Antarctica Peninsula occurs in early to mid-December, but this area was solidly frozen well into January. By the way, according to the Polar Research Group at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, the current southern hemispheric sea-ice area is at 2.9 million sq/km, which is about 400,000 sq/km greater than the normal level expected for this time of year, or slightly above-normal. Based on the latest trend on the chart, it appears that the southern hemispheric sea-ice area could be right at normal by March.

Global warming sceptics bouyed by record cold (UK Telegraph – February 26, 2008)

Excerpt: Global warming sceptics are pointing to recent record cold temperatures in parts of North America and Asia and the return of Arctic Sea ice to suggest fears about climate change may be overblown. According to the US National Climatic Data Center (NCDC), the average temperature of the global land surface in January 2008 was below the 20th century mean (-0.02°F/-0.01°C) for the first time since 1982. […]Asked about the Arctic ice cover, Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, told the Post the Arctic winter had been so severe, the ice has not only recovered but was actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than the same time last year. "

GLOBAL WARMING? IT’S THE COLDEST WINTER IN DECADES (UK Daily Express – Feb. 18, 2008)

Excerpt: NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world’s ice-caps are melting, it emerged last night. Satellite data shows that concerns over the levels of sea ice may have been premature. It was feared that the polar caps were vanishing because of the effects of global warming. But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show that almost all the “lost” ice has come back. Ice levels which had shrunk from 13million sq km in January 2007 to just four million in October, are almost back to their original levels. Figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is usual for the time of year. The data flies in the face of many current thinkers and will be seized on by climate change sceptics who deny that the world is undergoing global warming. […] Central and southern China, the USA and Canada were hit hard by snowstorms. Even the Middle East saw snow, with Jerusalem, Damascus, Amman and northern Saudi Arabia reporting the heaviest falls in years and below-zero temperatures. Meanwhile, in Afghanistan snow and freezing weather killed 120 people.

Report: Sun's 'disturbingly quiet' cycle prompts fear of global COOLING (February 8, 2008 - Investor’s Business Daily)

Excerpt: Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better "eyes" with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth's climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined. And they're worried about global cooling, not warming.

Solar data suggest our concerns should be about global cooling – (By Geologist David Archibald of Summa Development Limited in Australia – March 2008 Scientific Paper)

Excerpt: Solar Cycle 24: Implications for the United StatesExcerpt: I will demonstrate that the Sun drives climate, and use that demonstrated relationship to predict the Earth’s climate to 2030. It is a prediction that differs from most in the public domain. It is a prediction of imminent cooling. […] The carbon dioxide that Mankind will put into the atmosphere over the next few hundred years will offset a couple of millenia of post-Holocene Optimum cooling before we plunge into the next ice age. There are no deleterious consequences of higher atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. Higher atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are wholly beneficial.

Report: Too Much Ice = Polar Bears Starving? (Scientist Philip Stott’s Global Warming Politics – February 15, 2008)

Excerpt: Apparently, according to a report, Svend Erik Hendriksen, a certified weather observer in the Kangerlussuaq Greenland MET Office, who is responsible for all the weather observations at Kangerlussuaq Airport (near to Sisimiut), says that the cause is too much sea ice: “Several polar bears located (at least 6) close to Sisimiut town on the West coast ...Too much sea ice, so they are very hungry...Error number 36 in the movie An Inconvenient Truth Al Gore says the polar bear need more ice to survive... Now we have a lot of ice, but the polar bear is starving and find their food at the garbage dumps in towns. It's also influence the local community, polar bear alerts, keep kids away from the schools and so on.... The first one was shot at February 1st.” Sadly, that “first one” is the poor female hung out in the newspaper photograp.

Report: Solar Activity Diminishes; Researchers Predict Another Ice Age - Sunspots have all but vanished in recent years. (Daily Tech – February 9, 2008)

Excerpt: In 2005, Russian astronomer Khabibullo Abdusamatov predicted the sun would soon peak, triggering a rapid decline in world temperatures. Only last month, the view was echoed by Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences. who advised the world to "stock up on fur coats." Sorokhtin, who calls man's contribution to climate change "a drop in the bucket," predicts the solar minimum to occur by the year 2040, with icy weather lasting till 2100 or beyond. Observational data seems to support the claims -- or doesn't contradict it, at least. […] Researcher Dr. Timothy Patterson, director of the Geoscience Center at Carleton University, shares the concern. Patterson is finding "excellent correlations" between solar fluctuations, a relationship that historically, he says doesn't exist between CO2 and past climate changes.

Snow Returns to Mount Kilimanjaro (International Herald Tribune – January 21, 2008)
Excerpt: I had wanted to climb to the roof of Africa before climate change erased its ice fields and the romance of its iconic "Snows of Kilimanjaro" image. But as we trudged across the 12,000-foot Shira plateau on Day 2 of our weeklong climb and gazed at the whiteness of the vast, humpbacked summit, I thought maybe I needn't have worried. An up-and-down-and-up traverse of the south face of Kibo, the tallest of the mountain's three volcanic peaks, showed us a panorama of the summit ice cap and fractured tentacles of glacial ice that dangled down gullies dividing the vertical rock faces. And four days later, when we reached 19,340-foot Uhuru, the highest point on Kibo, we beheld snow and ice fields so enormous as to resemble the Arctic. It looked nothing like the photographs of Kibo nearly denuded of ice and snow in the Al Gore documentary "An Inconvenient Truth." Nor did it seem to jibe with the film's narrative: "Within the decade, there will be no more snows of Kilimanjaro." […] But several weeks of heavy rain and snow preceded the arrival of our group, 10 mountaineering clients and a professional guide from International Mountain Guides, based near Seattle. That made for a freakishly well-fed snow pack and the classic snowy image portrayed on travel posters, the label of the local Kilimanjaro Premium Lager and the T-shirts hawked in Moshi's tourist bazaars. But to many climate scientists and glaciologists who have probed and measured, the disappearance of the summit's ice fields is inevitable and imminent. […] Patchy snow covered the upper slopes above approximately 18,500 feet. At dawn, as we reached Stella Point at the lower lip of Kibo's summit crater, the fluted walls of the flat-topped Rebmann Glacier stretched out to our left. Snow blanketed the summit area, a mile and a half wide and hemmed by glaciers. Uhuru, the highest point in all Africa, was a 45-minute slog ahead. - See photo of snows return on Mount Kilimanjaro here.

Greenland climate not varying from ‘natural climate variability’ (Greenie Watch - Dec. 2007)

Excerpt: RECENT PAPER ON THE HISTORY OF GREENLAND ICE MASS Showing that, although the Greenland melt has increased during the 1992-2006 period, the melt was even higher in 1900s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s and 1960s. So there is no indication that the current melt is above natural climate variability. Of course people who look just on the 1990 to 2007 period "see" great melting acceleration and influence of carbon dioxide and anthropogenic climate change.

Scientist predicts 'Coming of a New Ice Age' (Winningreen February 2008 ) (By Gerald Marsh. retired physicist from the Argonne National Laboratory and a former consultant to the Department of Defense on strategic nuclear technology and policy in the Reagan, Bush, and Clinton Administration.)

Excerpt: Contrary to the conventional wisdom of the day, the real danger facing humanity is not global warming, but more likely the coming of a new Ice Age. What we live in now is known as an interglacial, a relatively brief period between long ice ages. Unfortunately for us, most interglacial periods last only about ten thousand years, and that is how long it has been since the last Ice Age ended. How much longer do we have before the ice begins to spread across the Earth's surface? Less than a hundred years or several hundred? We simply don't know. Even if all the temperature increase over the last century is attributable to human activities, the rise has been relatively modest one of a little over one degree Fahrenheit — an increase well within natural variations over the last few thousand years. […] NASA has predicted that the solar cycle peaking in 2022 could be one of the weakest in centuries and should cause a very significant cooling of Earth's climate. Will this be the trigger that initiates a new Ice Age? We ought to carefully consider this possibility before we wipe out our current prosperity by spending trillions of dollars to combat a perceived global warming threat that may well prove to be only a will-o-the-wisp. [See also the U.S. Senate Report released December 20, 2007, “Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007” - LINK ]

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Political speeches have featured greenhouse gases as a central topic. Movies such as The Day After Tomorrow have featured global warming events. People talk about CO2 increases in the atmosphere over their breakfast cereal. Most have an opinion on whether the earth is truly warming over time. Here, an examination of several sides of the issue is given so you can make up your mind. What are the facts about greenhouse gases and global warming?

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Scientific debate is one of the backbones of research. In fact, one of the main ideas behind any scientific inquiry is a question...and then more questions...and then experimentation...and then more questions. It is a fundamental part of any investigation.
Skip any step, and the process fails. Ignore data, and the process fails. This seems to be the argument of the scientific community in terms of the so-called global warming debate. Scientists have been repeatedly warning the public that there is truly no debate. Global warming is a fact that is here to stay.

On the other hand, there are those scientists that feel global warming is not as big of a deal as is professed. Since the early part of this century, many factors have added to the debate. Some graphs show warming, some show the earth is cooling. Which is correct?

One problem is the array of graphical data available for analysis. Two people looking at two different graphs may interpret the data differently. An example is in the two pictures on this page.

Click the picture and you will see two valid graphs. One shows cooling and the other shows warming. Which is correct? The truth is, both are correct in the right context. Temperatures in the stratosphere are decreasing due to a loss of ozone while temperatures in the troposphere are increasing due to global warming.

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Part of the problem with the global warming debate also seems to be semantics. You say toe-may-toe, I say toe-mahhh-toe. The gray area here is - Do humans increase global warming or not?
One part scientists agree on is that the earth is warming. Data sets show the increases in temperatures over years. Temperatures will always fluctuate, but the general trend in data is a warming.

Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have also increased. Scientists agree that data from multiple sources indicates that CO2 levels have risen steadily since the start of the Industrial Revolution.

Humans, especially Americans, use more fossil fuels than any other country in the world. Fossil fuels contain carbon and are therefore one of the main culprits in carbon emission into the atmosphere. But carbon isn't the only greenhouse gas...Just the most famous.

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New Evidence: Earth's Natural Cooling Cycle
New evidence from deep-sea cores shows that the earth's climate cools significantly and abruptly in a naturally occurring 1,000- to 3,000-year cycle, a scientist at Columbia's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory reported recently.

The evidence shows that abrupt coolings occurred not only during the ice ages, but also during the current warmer period--long after most ice sheets disappeared and conditions on earth more closely resembled today's. Regularly spaced layers of rocky fragments in ocean sediments revealed the rapid cooling cycle, the most recent yet discovered. The findings were reported at the American Geophysical Union's fall meeting in San Francisco by Gerard Bond, a paleoclimatologist at Lamont-Doherty, Columbia's earth sciences research institute in Palisades, N.Y.

The discovery of warming and cooling cycles in the modern era adds a new factor in predicting future global climate change. And it throws new light on historical events, such as the Little Ice Age, a cold spell that gripped the world several hundred years ago. It may even have some bearing on the Neolithic hunter called the Ice Man, whose 5,200-year-old frozen remains were discovered recently in the Alps.

"If this is indeed a regular climate rhythm, it is still going on today," Bond said. "By understanding what causes these sudden climate change cycles, we could more reliably predict how the earth's climate system could shift in the near future. Because we now think that climate flips can occur on an earth relatively free of ice, the odds of a future climate jolt could be higher than we thought.

"The evidence is growing that climate in the post-ice age world is not as stable and is more variable than once thought," Bond said at an AGU session highlighting abrupt climate change during the Holocene era--the past 10,500 years after the last ice age ended and human civilization began to flourish.

"The abrupt coolings in the Holocene are not as great as those that occurred during the ice ages, but still might be significant enough to cause severe winters, agricultural disruptions, and other adverse impacts on people."

The abrupt coolings occurred within 200 years, based on the layers of rock fragments that had been transported by glacial icebergs and sea ice to the North Atlantic, deposited on the seafloor and buried by subsequent sediments. At times of coolings, the amounts of rock fragments doubled or tripled in the ocean sediments. Also, different types of fragments suddenly appeared, indicating an increase in ice from several sources, including Iceland and perhaps Greenland, northern Canada and Svalbard, an island in the Arctic Ocean. The regularly spaced layers of ice-delivered debris showed that the amount of floating ice increased suddenly every 1,000 to 3,000 years. Bond dated the peaks of ice-delivered debris at about 12,300; 10,800; 8,000; 5,700; 3,900; 2,750 and 800 years ago.

The coolings dropped average temperatures in the North Atlantic region within 200 years or less. They stayed cold for several hundred years, then warmed again as quickly as they cooled, he said. The most recent of these cooling cycles might prove to be the Little Ice Age, which began sometime around 1100 A.D. and peaked a few hundred years later.

During the Little Ice Age, glaciers in the Alps, Alaska, New Zealand and Sweden advanced well beyond their present limits, according to Ice Ages, a book by John and Katherine Imbrie. Snow blanketed Ethiopia's high mountains, where it is now unknown. Global climate was generally 2oF cooler than now. Europe suffered severe winters, as did North American colonists. The legendary winter Washington camped at Valley Forge was mild compared to others around the same time. To the north, New York harbor was frozen solid and people could walk from Staten Island to Manhattan.

Bond's research was supported by the National Science Foundation and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

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Columbia University Record -- January 26, 1996 -- Vol. 21, No. 14

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Could the Earth be cooling its heels?
Aug 7, 2008 10:48 AM, By Elton Robinson
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One thing could quash the debate over “global warming” real quick — global cooling — and it could be on the way.

This brave, against-the-grain prognostication that the Earth’s average temperature could be actually starting to decrease comes from agricultural meteorologist Drew Lerner, who in circles of the global warming in-crowd is known as a “denier.”

Apparently this is because his opinion is based on a well-grounded theory that global warming and cooling are largely affected by factors such as solar radiation, Arctic winds, water vapor and the El Niño/La Niña phenomena, and less by the amount of carbon dioxide in the Earth’s atmosphere.

Lerner’s opinion runs contrary to those of “alarmists” such as Al Gore — who blames man-made global warming for increased hurricane activity, rising sea levels and making him tell a fib about creating the Internet.

Lerner doesn’t say that global warming has not been occurring over the last two to three decades, or that man’s activity has not had an impact on the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. It’s just that carbon dioxide doesn’t play as big a role in climate change as other factors do. And those factors, surprisingly, are now pointing toward the Earth cooling its heels.

Lerner is definitely outnumbered by detractors. Recently, the U.N. International Panel on Climate Change estimated that global temperatures will rise 2 to 10 degrees by 2100. A scientist with the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., projected a 5-degree increase by the end of the century. And Gore, pre-eminent para-scientist that he is, warns that warming will result in a rise in sea level of 20 feet over the next 20 years, which would put much of the current U.S. coastline under water.

Lerner bases his cooling forecast on cycles of the sun — the single driving force for the entire energy equation on the planet. How much energy we receive from the sun determines how warm or cold temperatures are in the oceans and polar regions, which in turn affects climate.

The amount of energy emitted by the sun started a downward cycle around 1983, according to Lerner. If information Lerner has gathered is correct, there is evidence that a decline in the sun’s energy will correlate to a decline in Earth’s temperatures within 25 to 30 years. If it’s 25 years, the cooling off process should be starting this year and will continue over the next 10 to 15 years. His theory is that it will take a few years before the cooling is uniform throughout the atmosphere. “We could start seeing actual cooler temperatures in 2013 and beyond.”

Lerner qualifies his forecast of cooler weather saying that he nor anyone really has a handle on what moves the global climate, a stand more reputable scientists should take. If Lerner does prove correct, I doubt it would chill Al Gore and his friends, who would simply rev everyone up for the coming Ice Age — while finding a way to blame global warming for it.
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Chuck Colson Claims the Earth Is Cooling
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Chuck Colson says the earth is actually getting colder. (Photo: www.breakpoint.org)

Chuck Colson, the former Watergate felon who is now a Baptist author and speaker, recently misrepresented evidence about global warming and even suggested that global cooling was occurring. Colson’s BreakPoint commentary on the topic last month was picked up by various other Christian media like the Christian Post.

Colson argued that “the Earth has been cooling since at least 2003 and arguably since 1998.” However, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s National Climatic Data Center, the year 2008 tied as the eighth-hottest year on record. The hottest year was actually 2005, and eight of the hottest 10 years have been since 2000. The current year is already shaping up to continue this warming trend.

Colson claimed that “[t]hose of us shivering this winter have been asking” when people will realize the earth is cooling. Although one region of the globe might be experiencing cooler temperatures, the only way to measure global warming or cooling is to consider the temperatures of the entire globe over time.

Colson quoted the chairman of the International Geological Congress to support his contention that the earth has stopped warming, even though the individual is a geologist and not a climatologist. Additionally, the organization Colson mentioned is sponsored by oil companies like Shell, Petro-Canada, Maersk Oil, StatoilHydro and Saudi Aramco.

Colson ended his piece by encouraging individuals to consider a booklet produced by the Acton Institute, which has received funding from ExxonMobil. The document makes inaccurate claims and relies on poor sources like the discredited Global Warming Petition Project.

Ironically, Colson argues in his piece that the problem is that the media is not giving all of the facts and is providing misinformation. It is because of such flaws he sees in the reporting on global warming that he encourages Christians to read the Acton Institute’s report and consider the claims he made in the commentary.

“What is certain is that we are not getting anything resembling a complete presentation of the facts,” Colson argued. “The media reports the dire claims, and by the time the claims have been debunked, they have already moved onto the next one.”

Colson is not the only Baptist leader claiming that global cooling is occurring. Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, has repeatedly claimed that the earth is cooling.

“It’s my obligation to let you know that the world is getting colder, despite of all the hot air that’s being poured forth by Al Gore,” Land declared during a recent broadcast of his program.

Quoting from a Washington Times column co-authored by a botanist and a retired businessman, Land claimed that global temperatures “peaked in 1998” and the earth “entered a cooling phase” in 2007. Yet, the NOAA’s NCDC found that 2005 was actually hotter than 1998, and that 2007 and 2008 were among the top 10 hottest years. The column Land read warned about an ice age the two authors believe is coming. The opinion piece by the non-climatologists was Land’s only source for his claim that the earth is cooling that he used during the show.

In previous broadcasts of his radio program, Land made other mistakes when discussing environmental issues. He misrepresented scientific information by using data for the United States to make incorrect claims about the temperatures of the entire globe. Land has also used unreliable and discredited sources to support his claims of global cooling, and inaccurately claimed that there were no oil leaks as a result of Hurricane Katrina.

Last year, the Baptist Center for Ethics launched TheGreenBible.org, which is a warehouse of information on the biblical mandate to care for the environment—and what people of faith can and should do. The site includes numerous articles, columns and videos. Additionally, BCE executive director Robert Parham introduced Gore at a luncheon during the Celebration of a New Baptist Covenant in Atlanta in January 2008 and gave Gore a plaque honoring him as the 2007 Baptist of the Year.

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all i can say is

BUY A STIHL! IT IS FIXIN' TO GET COLD!

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Sorry I didn't look at the sources closely, just took them from the top down in google...I apologize oh omnipotent one for not getting information that supports your argument. Will do better next time and I will be thinking about you as I am laying on the beach in Thailand...enjoy!

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Who is going to tell India and China? They don't give two shits about about Kyoto Protocol? Maybe we should go to war with them to force them into thinking like liberals.

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but I just looked at that chart and even though co2 skyrocketed, the increase in temp was the same as the previous spike and less than the spike before that...Holy shit...more controversy. I will make sure I use green condoms in Thailand just for you!!! Do you want the used ones...maybe you can recycle them? By the way, did you know that Chuck Norris' used condoms were the inspiration for the slip and slides! And, Chuck Norris is the actual cause of global warming, not any of these lame ideas you find online!

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Global temperature history

Take a look at this...if you look, we are just coming out of abnormally long cold spell and if you look back, we are way cooler than what we should be.

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so much for global warming

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Pkato is a 'meteorolgist' don't you? What are you? Do you have anything to contribute to, umm, guns, firearms, the 2nd amendment, ammo, etc.? Love to hear it. And damn, Pkato! Yowzaa, DUDE!!! :-)

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Does this mean, I should welcome a new tax to everyone who doesn't drive a prius? Or that I should plant (and hug) a few more Co2 consuming devices? lmao.

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but scientists, I believe would all agree that a widescale global cooling (ice age) is much more detrimental to the world than global warming. I don't like that this argument at times as gotten personal and most of my thinking is not coming from the fact that I am a meteorologist, because frankly I learned a lot more in Australia working at the solar observatory. Anyway, I am mostly speaking from just a common sense viewpoint. The graph above to me speaks volumes...I mean, look if it is accurat and I have not researched it much, but it shows that we are in an extended cooling period, so I think it is at least possible that the earth is just balancing itself out, getting back to a normal temperature and maybe that could be why it is even accelerating. In the US and around the world we are so quick to jump on the latest "cause", cause du jour if you will...it's funny. A lot of good things could come out of being a better steward to the environment...but there are always a lot of unintended consequences too...look at the those new light bulbs...there is a problem with the disposal of them.

Now maddog likes to criticize me for the stuff I copy and post here and I don't mind, honestly it doesn't bother me at all. But I purposely went to MSNBC website and I hate msnbc...total asswipes in my opinion, led by asswipe leader Keith Olberman...but this is from their site:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23694819/

When environmentalists and global warming people jump all over some new idea, like these light bulbs, everyone listens, then uh oh, there is a problem, wait...
It just makes sense to me to take everything with a grain of salt, especially coming from scientists who are getting tax money to do their research...corruption can so easily creep into their research. And believe it or not, these people don't know everything...

For God's sake, we once use blood-letting to treat mental illness.

Read this:

Bloodletting
A long-discredited cure may hold a promising secret
By Carolyn Y. Johnson, Globe Correspondent | October 5, 2004

For 2,500 years, doctors unleashed a single, gory cure-all on nearly every ailment known to mankind -- a good bleeding. Confronted with a fever, rattly cough, intermittent seizures, heart disease, or even mental illness, doctors bled their patients, sometimes until they passed out.

The common practice of bloodletting weakened and probably killed some patients -- including George Washington, who was bled of 2 to 3 quarts of blood after getting sick and died shortly thereafter. Undaunted, barber-surgeons and doctors continued bloodletting to the cusp of the 20th century, when it was finally consigned to the trash bin of discredited medicine.

Now, however, a discovery published last month in the journal Science suggests that bloodletting actually might have helped some patients -- and offers a tantalizing reason why. Microbiologists at the University of Chicago found that when infectious Staphylococcus aureus bacteria were deprived of the iron in red blood cells, they did not spread and cause disease in the body.

''In the earliest 20th century, some of the most respected physicians advocated using bloodletting and had honed it down to use at the beginning of a sudden onset with a harsh fever, which is very much the hallmark of a bacterial infection," said Dr. Tracey Rouault, an expert on iron metabolism who looked at the Chicago study and saw a connection to the painful ancient practice. ''Right at that point, you may be doing some good."

No one today is advocating a return to the lancet. But if Rouault is right, bloodletting may be joining the list of cures from the past, including maggots and leeches, proving to be of interest to modern doctors.

''If something rather invasive has a hold on therapy for 2,500 years," Rouault said, ''there must be some incident when somebody benefited from it."

The scientists behind the bacterial study didn't set out to find a justification for bloodletting. They were trying to solve a mystery about bacteria: The cells need iron to grow and thrive, but doctors have never known which sources of iron in the body were the first choice. So a research team at the University of Chicago put bacteria on a low-iron diet and then set them loose in a dish, with the two most common forms of iron found in the body.

Researchers found the bacteria overwhelmingly preferred heme iron, which is stored within red blood cells, especially at the beginning of the infection. ''They blow open the red blood cells, which leads to the release of heme," said Eric Skaar, a microbiologist at Chicago who coauthored the study.

He and his colleagues found that when the bacteria were altered so they could no longer capture the iron stored in the red blood cells, they were unable to cause disease in mice.

Rouault said that when she first saw the study results, she was excited. The head of the section on human iron metabolism at the National Institutes of Health, she had been musing on the rationale for bloodletting, ''because it's just so curious." The new study suggested an answer: Maybe it caused iron starvation in bacteria. She wrote a commentary drawing the connection, which appeared in the same issue of Science.

Other science historians, however, caution that Rouault's idea does not mean bloodletting was an effective therapy. The only cases in which it would have worked were bacterial infections -- a fraction of the total number of diseases treated with the technique over the centuries, at a time when doctors had no way to tell a bacterial infection from a tension headache.

Hippocrates, ''the father of medicine," first advocated bloodletting in ancient Greece as a method of bringing an unbalanced, diseased person back to equilibrium. Those ideas evolved into a theory about the body's four humors, which had to be kept in balance -- too much blood and a person would be overexcited; too much phlegm, sluggish; and so on. From there, bloodletting never got much more scientific. It was used indiscriminately on viral infections, psychosis, and even heart failure -- although, as Rouault noted, it was sometimes singled out for use at the beginning of a harsh fever, which often indicates a bacterial infection.

Medical historians say that it is impossible to divine the real reason bleeding seemed to ''work," and that to use a modern explanation would be a gross oversimplification. The perceived power of physicians wielding such an invasive procedure likely had a potent placebo effect, said Dr. David Jones, who teaches in the science, technology, and society program at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

A scientific rationale for bloodletting would put the practice in the growing company of outdated therapies that have shown some medical value -- and in some cases are enjoying a full-bore revival, though not always for their original purposes.

Maggots, which evoke images reeking of death and decay, may seem definitively unmedical, but can actually save limbs. The tiny white fly larvae were used to clean wounds in wartime hospitals in the 1930s until replaced by modern surgical techniques and antibiotics -- but are now gradually returning at wound clinics across the country, despite the ''yuck" factor. The US Food and Drug Administration approved maggots as a medical device to clean out wounds this January. The larvae are applied to an open wound, secured there with mesh, and left to eat the dead tissue and kill bacteria -- which they can do with a precision beyond that of a skilled surgeon, according to some studies.

Leeches were once an important method of bloodletting, but now serve a completely different purpose. Bred in sterile conditions by special leech farms, they are applied to surgically reattached fingers or ears, where they help to stimulate circulation. The most important component of a leech bite is the saliva, which prevents blood clotting, and synthetic forms of leech spittle are being used as anticoagulant drugs. Marie Bonazinga, president of Leeches U.S.A., said that her company sells in excess of 10,000 farm-raised leeches each year to major trauma centers across the country.

What may seem strangest about some of the old cures -- the fact that doctors had little understanding of how they truly affected the body -- is true of much modern medicine as well. ''There are a lot of things we think of as therapy, but have no scientific rationale," said Dr. Robert Aronowitz, who teaches history and sociology of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania.

Even with a scientific rationale, no researcher is going to start bleeding patients to see whether it actually works. But the iron-starvation research may yet yield a new therapy.

Skaar's work suggests that doctors could one day kill bacteria by disrupting their ability to gather iron from red blood cells -- in essence, starving them by locking the food away rather than by throwing it out, as bloodletters may have unwittingly been doing for centuries.

As for bloodletting, the question of whether it really worked will probably never be resolved, and no one anticipates a randomized clinical trial to set the record straight.

''Bloodletting," Jones said, ''would probably hurt the patient before it hurt the bacteria."

Carolyn Y. Johnson can be reached at cjohnson@globe.com.

So, they are doing studies, no doubt with government money to prove that this barbaric act actually could have had some merit? This is another waste of time and money...!

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Lots of good stuff. I love it that when maddog presents his evidence, it's all good, but when you present yours, it's crap. He's wedded to his ways of zealotry and I only hope he lives long enough to see it get cooler, and cooler. Oh, wait... I have to live here, too. I say, let's pour some more CO2 into the atmosphere to warm it up some more. I'm fucking freezing this week!

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But, if eventually this does prove to be crap, I hope you will at least admit it, but I doubt it.

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Would you mind posting/listing all of the things you have personally done to slow down the global warming you perceive?

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No response... he just bitches about it on random web sites lmfao!!1!

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global warming has been proven a lie from the start, All Al Gore has done is gain his group a crap load of money........I could go on but I'll get a headache.

Thanks Pkato good report.

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what we are supposed to do about it. And if the oceans around our planet puts out as much CO2 as I've read, I can't understand how we make that much of a difference

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Many of these researchers put out papers/publish books, etc etc...but there are very few people who are doing research to disprove it, the government is not funding this type of research, so therefore you are always going to find more articles/papers/books etc. Another thing, many people (even respected scientists) who disagree warming is being caused by man get shouted down, disrespected, silenced etc. Of course, I am not surprised by this either, because those who believe are getting paid for their research so the doubters are a threat to them...there is just so much politics involved in this that it stinks to high heaven.

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okay, I lied. I don't find it puzzling at all; what I do wonder is why one would engage in a debate about global warming on a GUN forum. I suspect it was a calculated move... on what site would you most likely find alot of opposition to your cause, if you were a left leaning global elitist?

IF, and that's a big IF, but if global warming was proven beyond any doubt, I'd guess that most of us would be willing to make sacrifices in order to reduce the impact we have on it (global warming). Many of us already have. Furthermore, most of us want a better world for our future generations, But, if it were proven beyond any doubt, there would be no debate. We don't debate Newton's law of universal gravitation, do we?

Global problems, real or imaginary, often require global GOVERNMENTAL solutions. Environmentalism has become some elitists' replacement ideology for socialism, and has the backing of the UN, no less. These elitists have found a more powerful ideology to gravitate towards, because it claims that mankind's survival is completely dependent on implementing this agenda, and it makes the skeptics appear to be sociopaths.

As for Al GOre: Al Gore defends his extraordinary personal energy usage by telling critics he maintains a "carbon neutral" lifestyle by buying "carbon offsets," but the company that receives his payments turns out to be partly owned and chaired by the former vice president himself.

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SamD put the first post up. It was catalogued by Google, and maddog came running overr to yell and scream. You saw the same thing during the last election when if a blog criticized The Savior, people would rally to the cry, bomb the blog, claim it was porn so Google would disable it--all sorts of militant tactics so Their Boy could be defended. Gays are famous for doing this. When someone suggests Homosexuality is bad, evil, wrong, etc., the troops are called and people get harrassed. I have a friend who had to change his phone number because he made a mildly negative remark about a gay film (He owns a video review magazine) and the troops were called in to harras him and his entire family.

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not to mention the carbon tax, but last year in our legislature there was a bill that would have taxed vehicle engines by displacement on the theory that bigger engines 'burned more carbon.' This interested me because I have had two trucks in recent history (more prior). The first was a Ford Ranger 3.0 liter that got 20 mpg average. It could haul 1,000 pounds in a short bed, a very small trailer from the bumper, and nothing much else. (It DID have a kick ass 'Tremor' stereo system!) My new truck is a Silverado Duramax at 6.6 liters. It can haul 2,000 pounds in a full-size bed, or tow a 15,000 pound trailer for a total of over 23,000 pounds. The sucker is capable of some serious-shit work. It's MPG? 20.0. Why? It idles up the same hills I had to floor it in with the Ranger.

So tell me again why the large engine should be taxed more when it gets the same mileage exactly as an engine half its size while doing a hell of a lot more work. It is ignorant state legislators who want to get on the green bandwagon that propose and push these stupid decisions. Fortunately it did not pass, but there will be more.

It's snowing in Western Washington today. I've lived here all my life, which is 60 years. I believe it snowed on March 1st one year not too long ago. Other than that, I've never seen snow this late in the year here. Montana? Sure, but not here on the coast.

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I don't see that you have convinced anyone that you are especially knowedgeable about the subject of Global Warming. Not that you don't have a position, I realize, but it isn't one backed up by any particular professional expertise. We can quote study after study all day long putting forth expert against expert. There are a tremendous number of scientists on both sides of this equation who ARE knowledgeable in the field and they keep telling us contradictory things. We could both be PhD's in climatology and be on opposite sides here.

So what is a layperson to do? Just pick a side? I don't think so, because even laypeople can have knowledge about how science works and, most notably, has worked in the past. Now, the conventional explanation of science is that it is self-correcting. When new information comes out, any self-respecting Rationalist will see its applicability and change his views accordingly. Unfortunaely, I do not believe that's how science actually works. I have furnished here dozens of examples of 'science' sticking to what has turned out to be outdated views of the world in the face of evidence to the contrary. This is especially true with new ideas and those which buck the status quo. It's not so much that scientists accept the new view, it's that old scientists die off and leave the younger ones with a view that is more easily acceptable. Science by consensus, the term used by Crichton, should be troubling to everyone. What happened to Sagan's 'Nuclear Winter?' It kind of slid off the burner when people figured out the equations were wrong. Science is as poliical as any other endeavor and to pretend otherwise is elitist claptrap.

Now, my own opinion here is colored by my own professional training, which is in paleontology, archaeology, and geology. I tend to take a very long-term view of things because that's the range of data I have usually worked with: tens or hundreds of thousands of years at a time instead of a year at a time. I'm not claiming to be a climatologist or meteorologist. My approach to this is probaby a little unusual. One of the problems working with data this far in the past is that we don't have sophisticated sensors widespread over the globe to tell us accurately what is happening. Instead we are forced to use 'proxies' such as dendrochronology (tree rings), ice core samplings, varves (the layers of sendiment in a glacial lake), and, more recently, the historical record for subjective accounts of climate changes, including sunspot activity, for example, that can be found in historical accounts (The same way we did with Halley's comet).

What I see when I look at a long term graph is this: We are coming off an ice age and things ought to be 'getting warmer' as indeed, they have been much warmer many times in the past. But I also see a trend line that ought to be reversing here pretty quick and going back the other way, toward another ice age. Where AGW proponents are yelling that this trend is irreversible, I notice a couple of thigs: One: No sunspots where there ought to be sunspots. That suggests cooling. It's a 22 year cycle. Two: Ten years of cooling which, uh, suggests cooling.

Now when someone finally noticed it's been getting cooler, what do AGW proponents say? 'Well, this doesn't count. In a few years it REALLY will start getting warmer! It's ocean currents tha have gives us a respite.' And when we discover the arctic sensors have drifted far enough to cause a severe mis-reading of sea-ice loss, we're told THAT doesn't count either. Somehow the proponents of AGW manage to discount all evidence to the contrary in a way that CONVENIENTLY forestalls their predictions by a few years into the future so that they do not have to account for PRESENT EXPERIENCE. In other words, they've given themselves some breathing room.

Now, here's the deal. This argument is important. I realize gunslot.com may not be the best venue, but it is important for everyone to get a sense of what is going on here and what will happen of the AGW proponents get their way. We've accumulated and posted an incredible amount of data here. Anyone who wants to wade through it has ample opportunity to educate him or herself on some of the issues and especially to realize this isn't a done deal.

People here are certainly capable of making a decision regarding the veracity of my posts, and those of PKato and maddog. Are my posts rational or shrieking? Do I provide citations for further reading? Do I sound like a zealot or a religious nut on this issue? Do you think my background provides some basis for an informed opinion? PKato's? Do you think my reputation here is good or bad? Do you have some sense of the kind of information I provide to you prior to this thread coming up, i.e.: On other topics? You should do the same for maddog. Where did he come from? What makes him knowledgeable on these issues. What is his rep? What is he bringing to the table and how is he bringing it?

The fact is, this is not my life's work. I'm not going to argue this thing hour after hour, day after day, week after week. I've got other things to do, including hit the range and improve my skills. So if you agree with Pkato and me, great! If you agree with maddog, fine. As far as I'm concerned, there are plenty of places to go on the Net to argue these issues. HERE I'm primarily interested in learning about issues surrounding firearms. And I shall leave it at that.

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Al Gore stated the Science is done, debate is over! He doesn't want to hear anything else...here is another article from a guy who doesn't believe it either. My problem with people like Al Gore is this...which also is one of the main reasons I don't believe this...If he was really worried so much about the planet it would be one thing, but he is profiting so much from this...it makes me wonder for sure.

By the way I can't get into any site that about skeptical science...but then again I am on a government computer, so it may be blocked.

By John Coleman
January 28, 2009 (Revised and edited February 11, 2009)

The key players are now all in place in Washington and in state governments across America to officially label carbon dioxide as a pollutant and enact laws that tax us citizens for our carbon footprints. Only two details stand in the way: the faltering economic times and a dramatic turn toward a colder climate. The last two bitter winters have led to a rise in public awareness that there is no runaway global warming. A majority of American citizens are now becoming skeptical of the claim that our carbon footprints, resulting from our use of fossil fuels, are going to lead to climatic calamities. But governments are not yet listening to the citizens.

How did we ever get to this point where bad science is driving big government to punish the citizens for living the good life that fossil fuels provide for us?

The story begins with an Oceanographer named Roger Revelle. He served with the Navy in World War II. After the war he became the Director of the Scripps Oceanographic Institute in La Jolla in San Diego, California. Revelle obtained major funding from the Navy to do measurements and research on the ocean around the Pacific Atolls where the US military was conducting post war atomic bomb tests. He greatly expanded the Institute's areas of interest and among others hired Hans Suess, a noted Chemist from the University of Chicago. Suess was very interested in the traces of carbon in the environment from the burning of fossil fuels. Revelle co-authored a scientific paper with Suess in 1957—a paper that raised the possibility that the atmospheric carbon dioxide might be creating a greenhouse effect and causing atmospheric warming. The thrust of the paper was a plea for funding for more studies. Funding, frankly, is where Revelle's mind was most of the time.

Next Revelle hired a Geochemist named David Keeling to devise a way to measure the atmospheric content of Carbon dioxide. In 1958 Keeling published his first paper showing the increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and linking the increase to the burning of fossil fuels. These two research papers became the bedrock of the science of global warming, even though they offered no proof that carbon dioxide was in fact a greenhouse gas. In addition they failed to explain how this trace gas, only a tiny fraction of the atmosphere, could have any significant impact on temperatures.

Back in the1950s, when this was going on, our cities were entrapped in a pall of pollution left by the crude internal combustion engines and poorly refined gasoline that powered cars and trucks back then, and from the uncontrolled emissions from power plants and factories. There was a valid and serious concern about the health consequences of this pollution. As a result a strong environmental movement was developing to demand action.

Government heard that outcry and set new environmental standards. Scientists and engineers came to the rescue. New reformulated fuels were developed, as were new high tech, computer controlled, fuel injection engines and catalytic converters. By the mid seventies cars were no longer significant polluters, emitting only some carbon dioxide and water vapor from their tail pipes. New fuel processing and smoke stack scrubbers were added to industrial and power plants and their emissions were greatly reduced as well.

But an environmental movement had been established and its funding and very existence depended on having a continuing crisis issue. Roger Revelle’s research at the Scripps Institute had tricked a wave of scientific inquiry. So the concept of uncontrollable atmospheric warming from the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels became the cornerstone issue of the environmental movement. Automobiles and power planets became the prime targets.

Revelle and Keeling used this new alarmism to keep their funding growing. Other researchers with environmental motivations and a hunger for funding saw this developing and climbed aboard as well. The research grants flowed and alarming hypotheses began to show up everywhere.

The Keeling curve continues to show a steady rise in CO2 in the atmosphere during the period since oil and coal were discovered and used by man. Carbon dioxide has increased from the 1958 reading of 315 to 385 parts per million in 2008. But, despite the increases, it is still only a trace gas in the atmosphere. The percentage of the atmosphere that is CO2 remains tiny, about 3.8 hundredths of one percent by volume and 41 hundredths of one percent by weight. And, by the way, only a fraction of that fraction is from mankind’s use of fossil fuels. The best estimate is that atmospheric CO2 is 75 percent natural and 25 percent the result of civilization.

Several hypotheses emerged in the 70s and 80s about how this tiny atmospheric component of CO2 might cause a significant warming. But they remained unproven. As years have passed, the scientists have kept reaching out for evidence of the warming and proof of their theories. And, the money and environmental claims kept on building up.

Back in the 1960s, this global warming research came to the attention of a Canadian born United Nation's bureaucrat named Maurice Strong. He was looking for issues he could use to fulfill his dream of one-world government. Strong organized a World Earth Day event in Stockholm, Sweden in 1970. From this he developed a committee of scientists, environmentalists and political operatives from the UN to continue a series of meetings.

Strong developed the concept that the UN could demand payments from the advanced nations for the climatic damage from their burning of fossil fuels to benefit the underdeveloped nations—a sort of CO2 tax that would be the funding for his one-world government. But he needed more scientific evidence to support his primary thesis. So Strong championed the establishment of the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (UN IPCC). This was not a pure, “climate study” scientific organization, as we have been led to believe. It was an organization of one-world government UN bureaucrats, environmental activists and environmentalist scientists who craved UN funding so they could produce the science they needed to stop the burning of fossil fuels.

Over the last 25 years the IPCC has been very effective. Hundreds of scientific papers, four major international meetings and reams of news stories about climatic Armageddon later, it has made its points to the satisfaction of most governments and even shared in a Nobel Peace Prize.

At the same time Maurice Strong was busy at the UN, things were getting a bit out of hand for the man who is now called the grandfather of global warming, Roger Revelle. He had been very politically active in the late 1950's as he worked to have the University of California locate a San Diego campus adjacent to Scripps Institute in La Jolla. He won that major war, but lost an all important battle afterward when he was passed over in the selection of the first Chancellor of the new campus.

He left Scripps finally in 1963 and moved to Harvard University to establish a Center for Population Studies. It was there that Revelle inspired one of his students. This student would say later, "It felt like such a privilege to be able to hear about the readouts from some of those measurements in a group of no more than a dozen undergraduates. Here was this teacher presenting something not years old but fresh out of the lab, with profound implications for our future!" The student described him as "a wonderful, visionary professor" who was "one of the first people in the academic community to sound the alarm on global warming." That student was Al Gore. He thought of Dr. Revelle as his mentor and referred to him frequently, relaying his experiences as a student in his book “Earth in the Balance,” published in 1992.

So there it is. Roger Revelle was indeed the grandfather of global warming. His work had laid the foundation for the UN IPCC, provided the anti-fossil fuel ammunition to the environmental movement and sent Al Gore on his road to his books, his movie “An Inconvenient Truth,” his Nobel Peace Prize and a hundred million dollars from the carbon credits business.

The global warming frenzy was becoming the cause célèbre of the media. After all, the media is mostly liberal, loves Al Gore, loves to warn us of impending disasters and tell us "the sky is falling, the sky is falling." The politicians and the environmentalist loved it, too.

But the tide was turning with Roger Revelle. He was forced out at Harvard at 65 and returned to California and a semi retirement position at UCSD. There he had time to rethink Carbon Dioxide and the greenhouse effect. The man who had inspired Al Gore and given the UN the basic research it needed to launch its Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was having second thoughts. In 1988 he wrote two cautionary letters to members of Congress. He wrote, "My own personal belief is that we should wait another 10 or 20 years to really be convinced that the greenhouse effect is going to be important for human beings, in both positive and negative ways." He added, "…we should be careful not to arouse too much alarm until the rate and amount of warming becomes clearer."

And in 1991 Revelle teamed up with Chauncey Starr, founding director of the Electric Power Research Institute and Fred Singer, the first director of the U.S. Weather Satellite Service, to write an article for Cosmos magazine. They urged more research and begged scientists and governments not to move too fast to curb greenhouse CO2 emissions because the true impact of carbon dioxide was not at all certain, and curbing the use of fossil fuels could have a huge, negative impact on the economy, jobs, and our standard of living. Considerable controversy still surrounds the authorship of this article. However, I have discussed this collaboration with Dr. Singer and he assures me that Revelle was considerably more certain than he was at the time that carbon dioxide was not a problem.

Did Roger Revelle attend the summer enclave at the Bohemian Grove in Northern California in 1990 while working on that article? Did he deliver a lakeside speech there to the assembled movers and shakers from Washington and Wall Street in which he apologized for sending the UN IPCC and Al Gore on this wild goose chase about global warming? Did he say that the key scientific conjecture of his lifetime had turned out wrong? The answer to those questions is, "Apparently.” People who were there have told me about that afternoon, but I have not located a transcript or a recording. People continue to share their memories with me on an informal basis. More evidence may be forthcoming.

Roger Revelle died of a heart attack three months after the Cosmos story was printed. Oh, how I wish he were still alive today. He might be able to stop this scientific silliness and end the global warming scam. He might well stand beside me as a global warming denier.

Al Gore has dismissed Roger Revelle’s mea culpa as the actions of a senile old man. The next year, while running for Vice President, he said the science behind global warming is settled and there will be no more debate. From 1992 until today, he and most of his cohorts have refused to debate global warming and when asked about us skeptics, they insult us and call us names.

As the science now stands, the global warming alarmist scientists say the climate is sensitive to a “radiative forcing” effect from atmospheric carbon dioxide which greatly magnifies its greenhouse effect on atmospheric warming. The only proof they can provide of this complex hypothesis is by running it in climate computer models. By starting the models in about 1980 they showed how the continuing increase in CO2 was step with a steady increase in average global temperatures in the 1980s and 1990’s and claim cause and effect. But, in fact, those last two decades of the 20th century were at the peak of a strong 24 year solar cycle, and the temperature increases actually may have been a result of the solar cycle together with related warm cycle ocean current patterns during that period.

That warming ended in 1998 and global temperatures (as measured by satellites) leveled off. Starting in 2002, computer models and reality have dramatically parted company. The models predicted temperatures and carbon dioxide would continue to rise in lock step, but in fact while the CO2 continues to rise, temperatures are in decline. Now global temperatures are in such a nose dive there is wide spread talk from climatologists about an impending ice age. In any case, the UN’s computer model “proof” has gone up in a poof.

Nonetheless, today we have the continued claim that carbon dioxide is the culprit of an uncontrollable, runaway man-made global warming. We are told that when we burn fossil fuels we are leaving a dastardly carbon footprint. And, we are told we must pay Al Gore or the environmentalists for this sinful footprint. Our governments on all levels are considering taxing the use of fossil fuels. The Federal Environmental Protection Agency is on the verge of naming CO2 as a pollutant and strictly regulating its use to protect our climate. The new President and the US Congress are on board. Many state governments are moving on the same course.

We are already suffering from this CO2 silliness in many ways. Our energy policy has been strictly hobbled by the prohibiting of new refineries and of drilling for decades. We pay for the shortage this has created every time we buy gas. On top of that, the whole issue of corn based ethanol costs us millions of tax dollars in subsidies, which also has driven up food prices. All of this is a long way from over.

Yet I am totally convinced there is no scientific basis for any of it.

Global Warming: It is a hoax. It is bad science. It is high-jacking public policy. It is the greatest scam in history.

Patrolman Kato
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5 years 40 weeks ago, 5:03 AM

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I agree partially about, having this debate here...but then again, it isn't in the gun section and this site is about the members. I for one have posted pics and videos pertaining to guns and have shared all my recent purchases and asked advice about guns, so I don't feel that I am only contributing here. This whole argument is aggravating to me and I don't believe it at all. As for what you have done to help the environment maddog, you live right...you believe, so therefore you take the steps you think will help. I respect you for that...but I am a total disbeliever in GW, but I am as green as you are if not more so. In four years in Arizona, even during the winter I never turned my heat on once. As far as AC, I used it very sparingly, much less than anyone around me...as for everything else you do, I do as well. I even drive less than you and own three bicycles, that I used (when living in the US) in place of cars...my daughter has a car (4cylinder), which still has less than 48K miles on it and it's a 1997 which I bought new! That's 4K per year! I also have a motorcycle, that I use whenever I can when home. For the past year I have been on an Army Camp in Kuwait and don't have a vehicle...walk everywhere! As for your age and how long you can do those things, well my father does them all and to this day it's hard to keep up with him, even for me and I just ran 10K two days ago as part of my exercise plan. My father is near 70, so don't worry, you should have more time to do all those things. So, you are I are doing similar things, that's just being good stewards of the planet...but when it comes to hundreds of millions of dollars and probably more of our tax money, I need more proof...it's crazy, I mentioned to you before about the 1970s and the impending ice age...am I the only one that remembers that? I will be willing to bet that money was being pumped into research to prove that as well.

I just like more common sense towards this issue...also, I don't remember if you addressed this or not...but there is controversy over whether we would have any influence at all in the long term...what about that?

PKato
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ps I should be sitting next to a pool having a beer, but my visa was delayed, so here I am in Kuwait, dusty and writing about more global warming issues...haha! I guess it's karma because of my infidel lifestyle.

Pkato

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 1:08 AM

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Global Warming

Is a lot of crap, there is no global warming this has been going on for 1000's of years. If it was happening like they say the ocean levels would be higher than they are, they have no prove and just what to scare people. Like the crap that we come from apes, if this is true then why do we still have apes? Simple,it is not true.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 1:59 AM

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global warming

i wont even begin to chime in on this topic as someone who is knowledgeable.i at this time believe GW is a political money machine farce.as for hotter/colder weather,winters here in western washington have progressively gotten colder and wetter over the last 5-6 years.before that winters were warmer and drier.summers here have been warmer and drier(forest fires)than the prior time frame which were cooler and wetter.now you might try to compare what i say with the weather of seattle but being closer to the mountains and south of the puget sound gives us different weather.

5 years 40 weeks ago, 3:19 AM

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Greasy

That's just old age taking it's toll on your memory...haha!

PKato

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5 years 34 weeks ago, 1:32 PM

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but keep your posts to yourself. Send them to green weenie paradise.

5 years 34 weeks ago, 1:45 PM

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AL GORE...

WHEN MR.GORE shows up at the next meeting riding a horse instead of a private gas guzzling jet, i'll start taking you GW people seriously. that was my two paso's....

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