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4 years 16 weeks ago, 8:13 AM

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NEAR PORTAL - Neighbor ranchers of the slain Robert Krentz say they had been warning U.S. officials for years that somebody would be killed if they didn't gain control of this dangerous smuggling corridor where armed burglaries have become a daily occurrence.

Now, they're demanding immediate action.

Krentz, a longtime rancher, was shot and killed Saturday in Cochise County, by a likely southbound smuggler, who authorities believe escaped into Mexico.

"The Mexican outlaws have total control, and it's going to get worse," said Ed Ashurst, whose 53,000-acre ranch is just east of the Krentz ranch. "There is going to be more bloodshed."

On Monday, in reaction to the killing, Gov. Jan Brewer reiterated a March 2009 request to send 250 additional National Guard soldiers to Arizona's border.

Rancher Dean Nelson said the National Guard should have already been called. "If the government doesn't call out the Guard, they don't care about us," Nelson said.

But Ashurst said the National Guard won't improve safety unless its personnel are given the green light to shoot at smugglers.

"They are going to have to kill some of those outlaws," Ashurst said. "I am going to protect myself and I will use deadly force. . . . I have a gun, and if an illegal alien ever gets in my house, he's dead."

The desire for a more aggressive stance at the border is shared by others in the area.

"Dig a ditch 20-feet deep and when they cross it, that's where they stay," said Hal Mortensen, a retired rancher and lifelong Cochise County resident who had known Krentz for 40 years.

Ranchers in the unincorporated community of Apache, about 25 miles northeast of Douglas, say they'll now be more vigilant when they encounter illegal immigrants.

Ashurst, Nelson and Mortensen described Krentz as a good man who didn't have enemies.

Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever called the incident a "senseless shooting." He said there is no evidence to suggest there was any confrontation.

"There is absolutely no reason this had to happen other than the bad intentions of one sick, sorry individual that we hope to be able to catch up to very quickly," Dever said.

The sheriff said he's worried angry ranchers may take matters into their own hands with smugglers.

"I'm angry as well, but the law is the law, and we have to act within certain constraints, and we'll encourage everybody else to do the same," Dever said.

Krentz, who was out checking water lines and fencing on his family's 35,000-acre ranch, had weapons with him on the ATV he was riding, but he did not use them, Dever said.

Investigators have determined the shooting was carried out by one person, but they don't know anything about the person.

They believe it was an illegal immigrant because Krentz was heard telling his brother on two-way radio "illegal alien" and because the area is a known smuggling corridor.

They have no motive.

Dever said Krentz was frustrated and fed up with the illegal activity like many ranchers in the area. But he said he was compassionate and regularly helped illegal immigrants in distress.

"There is no reason to believe anything else other than what happened that day with Rob," said Dever.

Krentz was found about 1,000 feet from where they believe the shooting occurred, dead on his ATV. The ATV still had its lights on and the engine running, Dever said. There were spin-out marks in the dirt, leading investigators to believe that he was trying to get away, Dever said.

Investigators believe the shooter was headed toward the border when Krentz encountered him. Law enforcement tracked a single set of footprints - believed to be the shooter's - for 20 miles to the U.S.-Mexico border. They also contacted Mexican authorities, but so far there is no information about the killer.

Dever said it will be very difficult to find the shooter and would likely require that the shooter talk about the incident with somebody.

While investigators don't have a motive yet, retaliation has been raised as a possibility, Dever said.

The day before the shooting, the victim's brother, Phil Krentz, reported drug smuggling on the ranch to the Border Patrol.

Agents found 290 pounds of marijuana on the ranch and followed tracks to where they found and arrested eight illegal immigrants, said Robert Boatright, deputy chief of the Border Patrol's Tucson Sector. None were prosecuted because of a lack of evidence. They were all in custody when the shooting occurred, he said.

Krentz regularly called the Border Patrol to let it know about illegal activity on the ranch, the agency said.

Dever also said there was another incident within 24 hours of the shooting that could be connected involving a gun, but he would not elaborate.

The area where the shooting occurred is a well-known drug- and people-smuggling corridor, Boatright said. In the summer of 2009, after seeing a spike in activity in the area, the agency opened a base staffed around the clock with 20 agents.

Dever said his deputies have responded to several calls from residents in the area about burglaries, property damage and even a few home invasions. Recently, the county had assigned all of the deputies working overtime hours under a Department of Homeland Security grant program to the area.

"There has been a prevailing sense for sometime in the community that something like this was going to happen," Dever said.

Krentz was a member of the board of directors of the Malpai Borderlands Group, an organization of conservation-minded ranchers.

Krentz's family had been ranching their property since 1907, and in 2008 the Krentz Ranch was inducted into the Arizona Farming and Ranching Hall of Fame.

"His impact on ranching in Southern Arizona can't be overstated nor can his contributions to Cochise County," said former state Sen. Jonathan Paton of Tucson. "Mr. Krentz's compassion and spirit will be remembered by many as we try to understand this senseless tragedy."

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
4 years 16 weeks ago, 8:50 AM

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Disgusting

All of this shit going on, U.S citizens being killed and the government does it's
usual nothing. You can't even get on a fucking airplane anymore without being
treated like a criminal, all in the name of anti-terrorism, yet another form of
terrorist is free to come and go as they please and there is nothing you as a
citizen can do unless they cross your door step, just sit and watch them toodle
along with their bricks of weed and meth.

How long do you think it will take before the rag heads figure out that the easiest
route for sending suicide bombers to the U.S. is via Mexico, it is only a matter of
time and the Gov. will be caught with their pants down as usual.

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4 years 16 weeks ago, 8:54 AM

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You can bet infiltrators have already made it across from north and south.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
4 years 16 weeks ago, 9:05 AM

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protecting us and be able to go on the offensive? Are we just trapped sheep? Have we NO rights?
I would volunteer...

4 years 16 weeks ago, 9:11 AM

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Ditto,

It amazes me that with all of the (implied) importance of monitoring Muslims
doings in the U.S. we would keep a porous boarder, all it not as it seems.

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4 years 16 weeks ago, 10:07 AM

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why we can't shoot people trespassing if our property line is adequately marked. Let's say I have a ranch and put up "No Trespassing-Deadly Force Has Been Authorized" signs in three languages, English, French, and Spanish, as well as a drawing depicting this. I space the signs every 200 meters, or 100, or 50, or whatever standards for spacing are required of federal installations. This seems like adequate warning to my mind.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
4 years 16 weeks ago, 10:24 AM

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They can shoot

you and run back across the boarder but you can't shoot them. I can
imagine that if Mr. Krentz would have shot the spick, he would be cooling
his heals in the pokey, now that would be justice for ya'.

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4 years 16 weeks ago, 11:53 AM

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just pack your guns and ammo, tell the local news whores your going to the border and I bet dollars to donuts the ATF/ FBI / border patrol will be right down there..not to help but to protect the ILLEGALS from you guys....but you gotta tell the TV stations

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4 years 16 weeks ago, 11:59 AM

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Yeah ivan

so the media whores can paint us as the bad guys and pervey the plight
of the helpless "undocumented alien" or whatever the fuck they are calling
them these days.

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4 years 16 weeks ago, 12:00 PM

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NEW FLASH!!

Its 1155 mt.. and Megan (somehow i know bud is watching) Kelly has just said more on this issue when they come back from break..

a man has to hold his word, hold his beliefs, and hold a good sight picture.
4 years 16 weeks ago, 12:56 PM

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Ivantank has got it

kind of; air drop donuts in the area and the cops will come

okay now seriously if you reported it to the media that you were going to come down there,the smugglers,illegals will just shift to another location or wait you out,the best would be to flood the area during hunting season(s) with armed gringos such as persons known to enjoy such hunting,take it from there.

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4 years 16 weeks ago, 8:46 AM

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There are various groups that operate down here (i.e. The Minutemen, American border Patrol, and the Cochise County Militia) that may have all the best intentions in the world. But certain members of any group will join just to play weekend warrior. Now ABP is different as they don't do any active patrolling or interception of border crossers. But they are still seen in the same light by those who don't know what they do. The feds see citizens wanting to take an active role as militant wackos.

Of course when you have someone who does something professionally, such as Border Patrol agents, they are going to look down upon people who do the same thing without credentials, regardless of the training or experience these volunteers may have. It all stems from the mindset that if it's not me doing it, it must be wrong. So these members of militia or watchdog groups that may have the best intentions end up being labeled extremists because the government people don't want to give up what they see as their exclusive jurisdiction.

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4 years 15 weeks ago, 2:31 AM

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I agree

with your thought there Runs,that's why it should be hunters out there,for whatever animal is in season,okay that's the slippery way,there's a more upfront method that they won't use either,circulate a end date for this shit to stop(illegal border crossings) and then utilize the ABP and local LE to crack down,i'm sure this is what they do now,only multiply the cost the US charges to Mexico to send back each illegal,when the Mexican Gov sees' the cost rapidly go up maybe they will take more of an interest in trying to secure their borders,you gotta hit them in the wallet
Another thought,take back the prisons from these Mexican gangs,they're just breeding grounds for pawns and cannon fodder,tell Mexico Gov that the cost to house these illegals just sky rocketed,that cost would be invoiced to Mexico,if their citizens are illegally coming here and committing crimes(by crossing our borders illegally) then the Mexican gov ought to pay for the costs associated,leash your dog or pay the consequences!
Now if these AZ militiamen want to organize and run patrols and scoop up illeagls then the Governor of AZ ought to let them,if we can use military to train Iraqi and afgan police forces to better secure they're countries we damn well can train voluntary US citizens to patrol our soil as well,if i was AZ gov i would tell Washington DC that i was going to put former military volunteers thru a 2 week training course on how to track and apprehend illegal aliens and i would send the bill to DC for all of it,and i would make it expensive to DC to not put the National guard in place.

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4 years 15 weeks ago, 1:17 PM

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obozo and the other dems see them as votes coming into the states with them asking for amistiy ( or how ever ya spell it ) the governers of borders states should have to state rights to protect them and do what is needed to so or sign an excitutive order to do so i aint a lawyer but if i was a gov id be looking it to it its not just a usa border its a states border as well and any point they need to be closed if this was china or russia the smugglers would be shot on sight no questions asked

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4 years 15 weeks ago, 2:27 PM

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What If

What if the bordering counties of all border states
formed a pact and decided to succeed from their
respective states and from the Union. Yeah I know that's bull
but don't you know it would bring the feds down
by the thousands.
To fight stupid you might have to play stupid.
And our government is being stupid.
My 2 cents

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