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5 years 1 week ago, 7:24 PM

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January 14, 2010

Mr. Phil Rockefeller
218 John A. Cherberg Building,
P.O. Box 40423
Olympia, WA 98504-0423

Dear Phil,

I am writing to you concerning Senate Bill 6396 (Now in Judiciary), which proposes to place heavy restrictions on many firearms. Though the word “assault” is used in describing these firearms (I think, erroneously), the fact is the bill covers just about any semi-automatic firearm sold today. As I understand it, this bill is a reaction to several police officer fatalities we have experienced in Washington in the last half of 2009.

I join you and all our citizens in condemning those needless deaths. I trust the perpetrators of these crimes can be brought to swift justice. However, I have to wonder what the bill proposes to change, realistically. Is the idea to ‘save lives’ by reducing the number of people potentially killed by firearms? It would seem to me that this is the only reasonable justification to introduce such restrictions—to make people safer.

California has had very restrictive gun laws for some time, including some of the very same restrictions proposed in SB6396. Yet take a look at what has happened in California.

In 2008, the last year full statistics are available, California experienced 1,487 homicides involving firearms. The population was 36,961,664 giving them one firearm-related death per 24,856 citizens. (69% involved handguns.)

In 2008, Washington State experienced 110 homicides involving firearms. The population was 6,664,195 giving us one firearm-related death per 60,583 citizens. (57.89% involved handguns)

Given these statistics, the sources of which are below, how can you justify this bill? Are there any statistics whatsoever that prove such restrictions will save any lives whatsoever? California’s death rate is over twice Washington’s despite its many restrictions.

No, there are not. The FBI reports that the first half of 2009 saw a 10% decrease in murders over 2008 and that it is 51% lower than in 1991 giving us the lowest rate since 1963. Yet firearms sales have skyrocketed in the same period. National ‘instant check’ transactions rose 24.5% in the first half of 2009, reflecting citizens’ worries about gun control legislation.

Accordingly, SB6396 does not deserve your support. It is a ‘reaction bill’ not based on any scientific or statistical evidence which will not have any effect on the murder rate of our citizens whatsoever.

Sincerely,

Michael R. Schuyler

Source: FBI Crime statistics, Criminal Justice Information Services Division
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_20.html & US Census Bureau for population statistics.

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5 years 1 week ago, 7:32 PM

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a politician a maggot has not returned much in the way of favorible results :<) Maybe I should try a different approach, you think?

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5 years 1 week ago, 7:34 PM

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Great letter Schuyler

You & Phil on a first name basis? Where does Rocky stand on this knee jerk reaction?

5 years 1 week ago, 7:38 PM

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Very good, fight the good fight brother!

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5 years 1 week ago, 7:41 PM

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and have contributed to his campaigns. He's a serious politician who is trying to get things done. I don't know where he stands yet, but my future support depends on it. He is actually a distant cousin of the rich Rockefellers, but as he laughed to me, he's too far away to get any money. I'm writing to the Judiciary committee members, too, but Phil is my guy and that's the letter I copied.

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5 years 1 week ago, 8:10 PM

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hey schuyler

of all those shooting deaths do they give a break down on how many were done by citizens that leagally owned the weapons and how many were done by criminals? I think that would be a real interesting statistic

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5 years 1 week ago, 9:08 PM

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good letter

keep 'em on their toes.

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5 years 1 week ago, 9:18 PM

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citizens legally using guns.
Not only honest citizens but also law enforcement are listed in some reports generically "Gun Deaths" so the good guys and bad guys cannot be separated in the report.
The Brady Bunch loves those reports.

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5 years 1 week ago, 9:37 PM

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are they including police shootings in those numbers ?
just wondering

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5 years 1 week ago, 9:25 PM

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Good point, the lib media will stack any numbers in their favor, ya think!!

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5 years 1 week ago, 9:42 PM

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or did not include legal civilian and police shootings.
I do know there are reports that just give gun related deaths and do not differentiate between legal shootings and illegal ones.

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5 years 1 week ago, 12:25 AM

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An example: In many states, if a victim and subject of an assault live together, regardless of marital status, it is a domestic violence incident. One guy living in a crack house kills another guy, it's domestic violence. In some states, if the subject and victim have ever had sex, even if they don't resid together, it's a domestic violence incident. So a pimp killing a prostitute is domestic violence. Also, look at the ages of the people when libs put together numbers; "X number of teenagers were killed by gun violence this month", then they put in 18 and 19 year-olds. Got it, they have 'teen' in their ages, but legally speaking, they're adults.

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5 years 1 week ago, 12:35 AM

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domestic violance

most of the teens killed are gang members
why the fuck do they need gangs ?
it's Bull Shit

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5 years 1 week ago, 12:44 AM

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great letter. atleas you are doing your part to take back control of the government. its all of our duties to talk to the representitives and make them work for us as U.S citizens. AWESOME. yea domestic violence differs from state to state. there is no "breaking and entering" in Florida. its all just burglery. but you have to love our "castle docterine" and also the " no retreat" law that we have now. were gettin closer to bein as good as Oklahoma

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5 years 1 week ago, 9:04 PM

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Very well written

letter, it's obvious you didn't ask for any help from ebear or runaway and I certainly didn't help you, or there would be some additional words...good job!

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5 years 1 week ago, 6:57 AM

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I could write a very well-reasoned and professional-looking letter if I had to. i simply tailor my writing style to my audience. My typical audience on this site just happens to be inbred hee-haw rednecks, geriatric, crotchety old farts, unwashed, hairy-assed mexicans, and overpaid civilian contractors whose penises burn during urination after a trip to Bangkok. But you're probably right, I would have hindered the writing process had I been invited to collaborate on it.

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5 years 1 week ago, 4:10 PM

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as compiled by the FBI. I redid the letter to make it appear in deaths per 100,000 because that 'reversed' the graph and showed how much higher California is. Couple of interesting points:

* Shotgun deaths are very similar between California and Washington, and this is a type of firearm specifically exempted in the proposed law.

* Hardly anyone uses rifles, including 'assault' rifles for murders. Washington only had 2 in 2008. Most gun murders are handguns, though there is also a large 'unknown' category.'

* The stats do not differentiate between semi-autos and revolvers. The proposed law is going after semi-autos only, clip size, etc.

* The stats for murders by knives, etc. are very similar between the two states. the only place where Washington is higher is in "Hands, fists, etc." This means we beat up more people per 100,000 than California does. ;-)

* Murders have gone down a great deal in the last two years. Most of the statistics you see are older. Mine cover 2008, the last full year available.

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5 years 1 week ago, 4:17 PM

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schuyler

what about the numbers of vehiculer homicide, people killed by drunk or impaired drivers.....is that larger than gun deaths?

...check... G-AZ
5 years 1 week ago, 4:37 PM

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hey schuyler

* The stats for murders by knives, etc. are very similar between the two states. the only place where Washington is higher is in "Hands, fists, etc." This means we beat up more people per 100,000 than California does. ;-)

This is because it's hard to beat someone up when all the wrists are limp out there lol

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5 years 1 week ago, 4:43 PM

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for 2008. All murders combined (knives, fists, etc.) were 14,180. Suicides are at a rate over 10. I couldn't find 2008, but they are way higher than gun deaths which averages 3.12 per 100,000 for 2008. (Note: My stats do not include DC or Florida)

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5 years 1 week ago, 4:45 PM

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ok...thanks

now is there a ban on cars yet?

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5 years 1 week ago, 5:58 PM

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Schuyler

Excellent letter, and a good example for all of us to follow in our own states if the need arises.

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. (Mark Twain).
5 years 5 days ago, 5:42 PM

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Dear Mr. Schuyler,

Thank you for contacting me about SB 6396. While I support measures to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals like those responsible for the heinous police killings last year, I do not feel that SB 6396 would further that goal. I believe that my colleagues, in introducing this bill, have the best intentions at heart. However, I do not agree with them that keeping guns away from responsible owners who have not been convicted of a crime is the best way to go about making our communities safer. I took an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution as a state legislator, and that includes the Second Amendment.

Please know that if this bill does come up for a vote that I will not be a supporter.

Sincerely,

Phil Rockefeller
State Senator
Washington's 23rd District
Chair, Environment, Water, & Energy Committee
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5 years 5 days ago, 5:49 PM

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Nice job once again

Sounds like a guy who has your best interests at heart...at least as far as guns.

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