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3 years 23 weeks ago, 4:36 PM

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Alright, as most of you know, I'm a new guy to this forum AND to firearms in general. So please take my observations with a grain of salt.

I already owned an AR15 (DPMS M4) and just got a new ACR in the mail. Yesterday, I bought an AK47 at my local dealer 'just because' (I have no good reason).

For all intents and purposes, let's call my AK a $500 weapon (I paid $450), a typical AR15 is a $1000 weapon (got my DPMS for $800), and the ACR a $2000 weapon (got mine for $1700). Maybe you see where I'm going with this....................

I've had my AR for over a month and love it. It's well broken in and is setup how I like my rifles (no superfluous BS attached to it, just a magpul handguard and stock to make it more ergonomic and comfortable.) It has an Eotech knock off sight I bought on GB.com.

My ACR is brand new, unfired, doesn't need anything on it (it's already ergonomic) and I added a knockoff Eotech also.

Just picked up an old WASR-10 AK47 today and wanted to see where it fits in to this whole mess.

I use Wolf Performance ammo for my .223. The 7.62 rounds I bought were some Russian stuff from Wally Mart. Just so I'm clear, I'm not comparing these weapons as if they are "apples to apples." I'm comparing these in more of a "is there room for all these in my collection" sorta way........or "If I can't have all these in my collection, which should I have." Keep in mind my motives: These are for my recreation or I'm a hobbyist and they will also defend my home if needed.

So, today I went to the range and used a 100 yd bay.

First, I fired my new AK and put 30 rounds thru it. I was very impressed at it's feel while firing, especially considering it's cost. I was expecting a clunky feeling weapon, but I was wrong. It's grouping at 50 feet (not yards) wasn't very accurate, but it only has iron sights on it. It's pretty much what I've been told........spray and pray. I guess I expected less and ended up pleasantly surprised.

Then I fired my AR15. 30 rounds thru it and it reminded my how it isn't the 'sewing machine' I think it should be. Don't get me wrong, I love it, but I think a $1000 weapon should feel a little better while firing. I guess I expected more and have been disappointed a little. It has 2" - 2.5" grouping at 50 feet. Definitely good enough for me.

Now the fun comes. I put 30 rds thru my new ACR. It seems heavier in my hands compared to the AR, but it seems to have a more precise action and less recoil. The gun is frickin sweet. It's 50 foot grouping was UNDER 2". I really like this weapon and think I'll like it more as the rounds keep running thru it.

Now here's the question: Which of these guns should we all have in our collections? Obviously it'll be different for all of us. Different needs and different money issues. But here's what I think:

Puting money aside, I definitely rank them as 1) ACR, 2) AR, and 3) AK.

Factoring IN money, I'd get 1) AK and an AR, or get just an ACR

Some thoughts I had: an AR isn't twice the gun as an AK, but costs twice as much. An ACR is almost twice the gun an AR is, and costs twice as much.

Sorry for the long post, but these guns fascinate me, and how they compare and their value fascinates me even more.

I will say this......if you have $2k burning a hole in your pocket, I wouldn't hesitate to throw it at an ACR. I won't be getting rid of my AR, but am glad I got the ACR. The AK aint bad either ;)

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 4:58 PM

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And here's a pic of the three so you can see how they are set up.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj77/grant22_2000/CIMG1806.jpg

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 6:02 AM

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Nice

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 5:17 PM

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I go the AK47 & SKS ( M4 stock big a$$ scope {from my old L1A1 FAL GONE :>( } thinking of AR10 you can ajust the iron sights shoot shoot shoot clean well. Barrel gets super hot after 10 rounds on ak & sks ( don't ask me how I know lol ) DO NOT FIRE SKS & AK47 ( if their after market) ON FULL AUTO as you tube is full of what happens...........TY

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 5:24 PM

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I'd say

you need all three.I just picked up an AK last saturday and am pleasantly surprised by it so far.I have shot plenty of ARs,don't own one yet,but i do own a Mini-14 in .223,and the ACR,well you can't do much better.The AR and ACR have interchangeable magazines/ammo which is a plus,both share almost the same methods of getting into battery and safeties.The AK is just easy,like my exwife.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 5:38 PM

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My EX ( kids mom) is THE SAME!!!! all my guns ( whats left of them ) are all old by now.In 5 years back taxes & child support are done I can buy more :>) or new truck or new home hmmmmm

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 5:58 PM

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hey Tallguy

i know what you mean,i just finished my back taxs and alimony is finally done too,no child support to worry about 'cause the kids are grown up.Guns are my kids now,ha.

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 5:42 PM

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If ya like like ar mags, check out the MSAR 5.56 E4, Was my excuse, I had to many mags for the ar before i sold it :) so they needed a gun to go in right? :)

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 5:57 PM

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Ammo and mag consolidation is tops on my list. I have managed to stockpile 10 guns in my short time in this hobby, and I only need 6 types of ammo: 7.62x54r, 22lr, 223, 380acp, 357 or 38, and 7.62x39. What's also cool is that 3 of these guns also use the same mags (AR's and ACR). The 7.62x54r probably will just run out here. Once I'm out, I'll just hang up the Mosin. I like looking at it more than shooting it now. So I'll be down to 5 types of ammo. That's it, I''m done buying firearms for now!

If the ACR didn't take the same ammo, mags, and operate similarly to the AR's, I probably wouldn't have bought it. Let me reiterate tho, it is really sweet. A pleasure to fire.

Luckbychoice: "need all three" I like where your head's at!

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 6:14 PM

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I don't think i would have spend the money on the ACR, i dont see a point, it shoots the same round, I'd just hook up my current AR and make it sweet as fuck. I only bought an MSAR cause i didn't have a bullpup :)

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 6:41 PM

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I guess the point for me was I just wanted it. I have an AR, saw that show on History called Future Weapons, and they had the Masada on there. Then it was hook, line, sinker! Reeled me in like a fish!!!

Oh well, got something at my range no one else has. That's worth something, right? ;)

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 7:00 PM

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Grant

There is nothing wrong with that, you just wanted it for yourself, cool, be happy my friend. Jlc

3 years 23 weeks ago, 6:19 PM

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Grant22 & LBC

Check with Randy about the mags I sent him, he does not need them but may have traded them and I forget what they were now, but have a cuz in Jersey state troopers swat and range instructer, and tell me what you want and I will see what he can send. strangely enough he just asked me for a trade for his Kimber an extra mag. they are real hot up there and they all went to 2nd guns to a 308 ruger lcp I believe. But he tells me they throw so many mags in a barrell then guys pick threw them for what they need, and sometimes have so many they give a fifty gallon barrell to a shooting range so other gun guns don't have to buy any. But I know he wants a third or whatever for his kimber and not a seventeen clip, but I will find out. But if he sends a bunch, you guys tell me what you want first and I will ask, if it is possible he will do it on you know who's dime. I haven't heard from randy for a while sense he moved. I hope he is allright and daughter. Which reminds me ISD did you or daughter ever figure out the coin of the century? John

3 years 23 weeks ago, 6:42 PM

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Forgot to mention, the reason I posted this in the first place is cuz when I first started out, I wasn't sure which to get, blah blah, blah.............I'm hoping another newby can maybe get some insight on which to buy, which two, or whether to buy all three.

Especially factoring $$$

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 5:50 AM

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grant and his ACR

grant,
first off, welcome to the site. I was lucky (dumb) enough to be the first person on the west coast with an enhanced version of the ACR. I have fired around 2000 rounds. My ACR is about as tacticool as they come. see my thread: http://www.gunslot.com/forum/bushmaster-acr

I have been shooting 55 grain ball lately, but that is because I got a heck of a deal on it. I think with my 1:9 twist 62 would stabilize better. If you ever decide to place a can on your ACR, spend the extra money and buy a titanium one. The weight distribution is front forward, so when you add the suppressor, it is really front heavy.

I am still trying to get a definitive answer from Freedom Arms about the conversions release date. They are a cryptic bunch...

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 7:01 AM

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Clint, by conversion are you talking about the caliber conversions? Also, not thay i'm getting one, but where would you get such a suppressor?

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 10:17 AM

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grant and clintbo

grant-
I agree with LBC. You NEED them all. You will eventually NEED more. You can never have too many guns. You can get a suppressor from a number of places. You can buy them online or in a store. You will need to fill out all of the required NFA paperwork and pay a $200 stamp fee. The paperwork can take anywhere from 2-4 months to get approved. After all is well, your suppressor can be shipped, or you can pick it up.

clintbo-
How do you like the troy grip?

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3 years 23 weeks ago, 5:59 PM

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troy grip

All I can say is fast acquisition with the gas pedal. I was almost ready to throw that thing your way, but it is amazing with the troy. I just have to figure out my light now.

Still barrel heavy, but the ergonomics is measurably better.

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