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6 years 15 weeks ago, 8:39 AM

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Myth or truth?

I've heard rumors for years that the Government routes all email and internet through a server that filters out certain words, flags them, saves them to a file for someone to read later. Do you believe that this could be true?

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6 years 15 weeks ago, 11:24 AM

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track terrorism, does in fact randomly search for key words and phrases. It is a necessary evil in this day and age. I personally don't have a problem with it. If you aren't doing anything wrong then what's the problem. Such words as bomb, kill, Presdident, overthrow, etc can and will be looked at for context and pattern. Jibberish too will be looked at for code. Anarchist beware! It is really smart not to say anything real stupid even in jest.

6 years 15 weeks ago, 11:47 AM

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We continue to have robust discussions that [rightfully] are fairly rabid as to point of view. But recently there is one person who foolishly goes over the line about what should happen to the President Elect/President. I would not be surprised, if that keeps up, that he receives an unexpected knock on the door, and is face-to-face with one or two Feds who have absolutely no sense of humor about what constitutes the leaway in our First Amendment rights.

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6 years 14 weeks ago, 7:38 AM

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This is

what made me think of posting this, I was on the other night when the post was made about the future Pres. It made me think. THe SS keeps 3 lists Alfa, Beta, and charlie. I don't want to get on any of them. Usually it takes more then that to get on to a list but you never know.

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6 years 15 weeks ago, 11:57 AM

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Absolutely

There is no joking with some subjects...the President, airlines, etc...it makes sense in my opinion. I know many think it's an invasion of privacy, but it doesn't bother me.

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I am certain this site is flagged and watched already!!! (as well as some individiuals). I worry because I am overseas in a Muslim country, have purchased 3 guns in the last few months...go on this site almost daily and am on gun sites constantly. All of this on a US Government pc...haha. I am probably # 6 o 7 on their "gunslot list"...although, there are some other on here who are above me!!!

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6 years 15 weeks ago, 12:03 PM

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whenever certain things are said that raise a flag for me i log out of this site and shut down my computer for awhile so that if/when "they" look at who is saying/reading these comments that i am gone!it is probably a moot gesture on my part but at least when the knock on my door comes i can honestly say that i got off of this site because of the comments being made!

6 years 15 weeks ago, 12:58 PM

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It's an open question whether NSA can screen all email or not. The explosion in digital technology and the Net have taxed their resources to the max. Nothing is analog any more and the really bad guys use encryption, which further complicates matters. Further, the really bad bad guys don't use electronics at all because they know they are vulnerable. Osama used to provide video with several days spin beforehand. Now he uses cassette tapes with no warning. Those who are interested in the workings of NSA may want to read "The Puzzle Palace." It's dated now, but gives you a pretty good idea. But if someone starts talking about secret Black Widow computers and such, you can be pretty sure they are letting their imaginations run away with them. They do not have first-hand information. If they did and they talked, they'd be in serious trouble on so many levels that they wrecked their own lives.

Now, NSA is not supposed to spy on American citizens domestically. I know there is a lot of skepticism that they do anyway, but the screeners and analysts are told repeatedly not to do it. They take classes. They sign papers. They are threatened with jail time. There was a case recently reported by the Washington Post and everyone got all upset. In realiy, this was a couple of E-4s screwing around who got caught. It was NOT an organized from-the-top program to spy on Americans. You may not believe that, but I'm telling you that's what happened. Our government gets blamed for a lot of things they don't or didn't do.

You gotta understand that the guys listening in are enlisted, about 20 years old. They work in a windowless building with razor wire all around it. It's both boring and stressful at the same time. They have a tremendous amount of responsibility, but they are not quite 100% mature or disciplined. I once worked for the telephone company where the same rules applied. (Pacific Northwest Bell which is now part of Qwest.) But once in awhile someone would happen on a conversation where two people were discussing their love making the previous night and someone would put it on a speaker so we could all listen and laugh. Immature? Yes. Illegal? You bet. It was a joke and a game the same way posting naked girl pics is here. It wasn't policy and if someone caught us, we would be subject to disciplinary action or even fired. Every male worth his testosterone likes to look at a good looking woman, but that doesn't mean everyone cheats on their wives.

Now, does NSA or BAFT or the Secret Service or some other agency monitor this site? It's unlikely. Given the resources of the feds, they absolutely must set priorities. So they monitor known terrorist web sites because those represent real threats to the US, not just an occasional half-serious rant on here by an otherwise loyal American citizen. This place isn't really a threat, and any half-intelligent analyst can readily see that and move on. If any postings, emails, or other stuff here has been looked at, it likely stopped at the first level of review.

Some of my analysis here comes from reading reports from Stratfor over the last year or so. www.stratfor.com.

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6 years 15 weeks ago, 1:22 PM

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i asked people to stop sending those wonderfull text messages like what do lincoln , kennedy and obama have in common?? i know the odds are long but if they choose to make an example out of someone.. . i dont want it to be me. and for those of you interested and who use firefox as a browser there is a very legal was to "bounce" your IP address so it is untraceable. or at least really flippin hard even for good ole uncle sam

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6 years 15 weeks ago, 2:00 PM

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and why I don't think there's much to worry about. A key word in the intelligence community is 'assets.' You don't use up assets without a really good reason. For example, if you have signals intelligence that suggests a really hot issue, you can call for a satellite image, but this better not be for something trivial because the satellite asset is expensive to use and the number is limited. If you think you've scoped out Saddam's hidey-hole, then using that asset is justified, but if you simply hear a garden variety revolutionary in Somalia say, "Fuck the Prez" on his cell phone, then using that asset is simply going to get you into trouble.

Having said that, if Uncle Sam has good reason to want your IP, he can get it. If it's important enough, the assets are available to roll right over any attempt at disguise. Then the question becomes, 'What does it take to get on the radar screen and how do I avoid that?' What constitues flipping the cops the bird is open to speculation, espcially when discussing it could prove to be the trigger. ;-)

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6 years 14 weeks ago, 11:26 PM

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I don't worry

There are so many threats made about and to the senior member of government every day, it doesn't matter. I can't imagine getting in trouble unless you actually make the threat, and even then, unless it's a credible threat, you'll be fine. As for having people show up to your house, so what? Let them. And for those in here who see the black helicopters and UN troops in our national parks, send a Freedom of Information Act request to the FBI requesting a copy of any information they have gathered on you. Will you get everything if they are conducting an active investigation? Probably not, but if it helps convince you to take the gun out from under your pillow, you might sleep better at night.

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6 years 14 weeks ago, 11:34 PM

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well where the hell else should i keep it then,smarty pants?lmao!

6 years 14 weeks ago, 11:47 PM

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I sleep with my M4

at the low ready. With my eyes open. With my chest rig on. With the M57 firing device hooked up to the claymore. With a knife between my teeth. I am well-trained. Grrr.

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6 years 14 weeks ago, 11:47 PM

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now don't throw me out on my ear but I work for the Federal Government and the department I work for is so screwed up and incoherent that I have a hard time believing in any sort of mass conspiracy. Hell, we don't even know whats going on in the same office between different functions most days. That old saying about the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing is very true in the agency I work for.

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." Kevin Spacey: (The Usual Suspects)
6 years 14 weeks ago, 11:52 PM

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undeniable

It is not the government that is doing the conspiracy.

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6 years 14 weeks ago, 11:55 PM

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I agree undeniable

I have a very hard time believing there is a truly high-speed organization employed by our government. Looking at the history of the law enforcement agencies' actions against American citizens, I am not impressed. Even against religious nuts or single families, they have screwed up. I can't imagine what the FBI's HRT would do against a small band of determined, well-trained adversaries who don't back away from a fight. Again, I am not advocating the violent overthrow of the United States government. However, if I know I am not guilty of a crime, I will not be intimidated by a bunch of accountants with guns.

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6 years 14 weeks ago, 11:57 PM

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fordvg.

I guess I misunderstood the post, we're talking about individuals in positions within the government abusing their position. In case anybody is wondering, I work for the U.S. Forest Service as a wildland firefighter. No high powered guy here, and my job is not as glorious as the media makes it out to be. I do enjoy it though.

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6 years 14 weeks ago, 12:05 AM

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forest circus

is what it is called by their employees.my friends wife works for them in Idaho,she was out of albuquerque for awhile but got sent to Idaho.

6 years 14 weeks ago, 12:11 AM

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U.S. Forest Circus,

Dept. of Aggravation. I have a T-shirt that says that and wear it to work for district meetings sometimes. It gets alot of looks. It also has a dead burned up tree instead of the nice one depicted in the real logo.

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