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5 years 13 weeks ago, 9:36 PM

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I was made aware of this concept during my last deployment and I can't understand why we don't have this. Get rid of the Federal Income tax and institute a national sales tax. The IRS could be reduced in size and power (probably why we don't have this), the tax code could be reduced to a pamphlet-size book, and everyone who purchases goods or services in or from this country would pay tax. That would be cool. A mexican drug lord wants a Lamborghini(sp)? He's going to put money into our treasury by paying sales tax on it. I can't think of any bad sides, but then again, I'm a dumbass. Any thoughts?

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 9:37 PM

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so read and respond, please. Validate my existence, will you?

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 9:46 PM

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only one problem

Lamborghini's are'nt made here

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 9:51 PM

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They don't want to down sixe the IRS and if they did have a National Sales Tax it would be harder for the government to rip us off. Easier to keep it the way it is.

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 9:54 PM

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Not made here

But they are sold here.

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 9:56 PM

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yes

but they are also sold in mexico, by car dealerships owned by Mexican DrugLords

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 10:02 PM

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Runawaygun Lamborghini

Lamborghini, are made in Italy and are hand made.

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 10:06 PM

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It was an example. If a mexican drug lord wants to buy a "insert item that may be purchased in the USA by mexican drug lords or their representatives or designated shoppers here", they will pay tax and put money in our treasury.

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 10:09 PM

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ok

slinky's are something a Mexican DrugLord may want to purchase in the United States........Well then yeah...it would be a good idea, cause you can't buy just one slinky....you need another one to have races down the stairs.So we could double up the taxes.

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 10:15 PM

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Is it slinkys?

Or slinkies?

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 10:17 PM

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The states they already rip off for sales and income tax. I wont be the first one to notice the irs or the government wants absolutely nothing to do, with any thing to do, that has anything to do with downsizing for efficiency.

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 10:18 PM

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i don't think

A Mexican DrugLord in Mexico gives a shit......

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 10:25 PM

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My point is not that we're going to deter foreign criminals from buying stuff here, it's that when they do, they will be paying taxes. That anyone who buys something from us is going to contribute to our economy and treasury. Someone in latin america who buys a 60,000 dollar hummer from a dealership here will pay, say, 6 grand if it goes 10% tax that they would not have otherwise paid. Perhaps my examples are bad, but the point remains.

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 10:28 PM

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jeeesy creesy

10% seems like a big figurative number when you put in terms of 60,000 even though that is less than what I pay as a californian

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 10:28 PM

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I KNOW

JUST FUCKIN WITH YOU.LOL....BUT THE THING IS NOBODY WILL BUY FROM US, BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE WILL ALWAYS SELL BLACKMARKET WITH NO SALES TAX.hELL OUR OWN POLITIONS ARE THE BIGGEST CROOKS WHEN IT COMES TO REVENUE...LOOK AT THE LOTTERY.

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 10:41 PM

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10% isn't big

When you consider we wouldn't pay income tax anymore.

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 10:43 PM

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nice idea

never will happen though

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 10:46 PM

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Agreed Runawaygun

I was just commenting that it put into perspective for me, how much money gets taken.

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 9:49 AM

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But, as mentioned alredy, the government will fight to keep this:

1. Our politicians love large govt organizations...especially if they are inefficient...(insert IRS here).

2. Corporations might have a harder time hiding money so they won't want that...but then again, some corporations don't make large purchases on the open market, so something would have to address that issue.

3. Dems would hate it especially because welfare recipients would have to pay their fair share and they would risk losing votes...same thing with illegal aliens.

Those are just a few...here are some facts about the IRS and federal income tax...probably most of you don't know this:

The federal government of the United States imposes a progressive tax on the taxable income of individuals, partnerships, companies, corporations, trusts, decedents' estates, and certain bankruptcy estates. Some state and municipal governments also impose income taxes. The first Federal income tax was imposed (under Article I, section 8, clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution) during the Civil War, then again in the 1890s, and again after the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified in 1913. Current income taxes are imposed under these constitutional provisions and various sections of Subtitle A of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended, including 26 U.S.C. § 1 (imposing income tax on the taxable income of individuals, estates and trusts) and 26 U.S.C. § 11 (imposing income tax on the taxable income of corporations).

Read this carefully and look it up, this tax was first used to help pay for wars...it was not intended to be in place permanently...just like a lot of other things, once in place the govt is usually unwilling to get rid of it...

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5 years 13 weeks ago, 1:58 PM

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National Sales Tax

I personally support it. It would not only make my own life easier ( No more "Oh shit" moments when tax season comes along ), but it would ensure that for the first time in our nations history the top 2% would pay their fair share.

5 years 10 weeks ago, 5:38 AM

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Why not a Flat Tax? Everyone pays, say, 10% income tax. No tax breaks or shelters, no loopholes, just flat tax. You make 30,000 a year, you pay 3,000. You make 3 million a year, you pay 300,000. Everyone pays their share. Why not? I would like to see a program where your tax dollars only go toward programs that you vote on, but that's too complicated, I guess.

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5 years 9 weeks ago, 1:52 PM

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Jane: That is total BS

and typical liberal crap. Here's who pays what percentage of income tax already:

The wealthiest 1% of taxpayers earn 16.5% of the money, but pay 33.7% of all income taxes.

The top 5% of taxpayers earn 31% of the money, but pay 54% of all income taxes.

The top 10% earn 42.1% of the money, but pay 65.8% of the taxes.

The top 25% of taxpayers earn 64.7% of the money, but pay 83.6% of the taxes.

The top 50% earn 86.1% of the money, but pay 96.4% of the taxes.

And the bottom 50% earn 13.9% of the money, but pay a whopping 3.6% of the taxes.

The reason it's difficult to give the bottom 50% of people a tax cut is because they don't pay much to begin with. So let's stop with this bull shit that the top percentage of taxpayers don't pay their fare share. That's total nonsense.

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5 years 9 weeks ago, 1:59 PM

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What is the best way to stimulate an economy? Implement a tax cut. Why? Because people will either spend it, or they give itaway, or they will invest it. There's really nothing else you can do with it. Even if you invest conservatively in CDs instead of stocks, that money is available for loans. People who have some bucks want to invest it so that it gives them a good return. Investment in the economy creates jobs.

The libs are so envious and so worried that someone else might have more money than they do that they do their best to take it away so they can get it handed to them for doing nothing. So you raise taxes on the 'rich' and guess what happens? There's less money to invest and so jobs are lost. Guess who's jobs are lost? Yours. And then you bitch some more.

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